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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« on: April 09, 2009, 02:46:56 PM »
Since I've been writing this as I post, rather than composing it offline and then posting it I'm going to take a break to let my wrists rest.  :) I'm planning to add to this over time until it is a fairly comprehensive resource.  I also plan to rewrite the sections that have "filler" from Wikipedia currently.  I'd like it to eventually be something that can be put into a PDF and made available for new members of the community who are just starting out. :)
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***I've split the discussion portions of the main thread off from the info.  Feel free to discuss, ask questions or what ever you need to do in this new discussion thread.***

Thanks,
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 02:58:29 PM »
Whatz Hizname, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I thank you for putting this together.  If you'd like, I can lock the thread to keep it cohesive until you are done.  =-]

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 04:15:53 PM »
Hey Dan,
That might be nice, as it would allow me to retain some continuity as I'm writing it.  If people have comments or suggestions they can post in a separate thread. :)  Thanks Big Dan!
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BTW.  Is there a way to edit my early posts?  I noticed that I had a couple typos, less than I feared considering I typed everything as I went in a single morning.  However, I can't seem to find the "modify" button on my earlier posts.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 03:12:48 PM »
Hey Heavy G,
Thanks for checking it out.  :)  It's definitely a work in progress.  I'll definitely be adding sections on all basic types of firearms.  Next will be Shotguns, then Working firearms like hunting centerfires and .22s for harvesting game.  Then I'll do special purpose tools like non-hunting-optimized .22s, airguns, slingshots, bows, crossbows, single-shot shotguns for caching/trading, airsoft for training, and other special-niche items.  Once I've completed everything, I'm hoping to go back and do some editing and rework it as a manuscript to make it available as a PDF book (or even through Lulu) if Jack or another survival/prep-oriented site is willing to host it. :)
Thanks again,
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 09:34:03 PM »
If you'd like a little help with handguns, I'd be honored to assist.  I do know my way around a pistol pretty well (or am a handgun snob, depending on whom you ask :) ).

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 08:51:27 AM »
Whatz Hizname:

Sweet.  May I humbly suggest a sentence in your AR-15 section on adding a .22LR converstion bolt to the gun for cheap shooting practice. 

Here's a link to a review of a converstion bolt I did on TSP: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=2817.0

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 09:06:04 AM »
Awesome Thread, is this going to be consolidated into a PDF in the future so we can download and/or print it?

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 12:01:21 PM »
Whatz,

Your image for the Mini-14 is broken (Tripod doesn't allow hotlinking)

I can also turn this into a print-friendly PDF for you once it's done, unless you're already planning on doing this yourself.

Thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 01:01:08 PM »
If you'd like a little help with handguns, I'd be honored to assist.  I do know my way around a pistol pretty well (or am a handgun snob, depending on whom you ask :) ).

PistolWhipped,
I'd welcome any assistance. :) You can tell by the layout how I'm structuring this (eventual) PDF book so if you want to follow the template I'm using you could post an entry (or multiple entries) about a handgun (using Wiki or another open "free" source) and then include PISTOLWHIPPED NOTES.  :)


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Sweet.  May I humbly suggest a sentence in your AR-15 section on adding a .22LR converstion bolt to the gun for cheap shooting practice.

I was going to include information about conversions and sub-caliber devices in the "Special Equipment" section, but you're correct a brief sentence in the AR-15 writeup would get the existence of such devices on a reader's radar and then they could read more about them in the other section. :)
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Awesome Thread, is this going to be consolidated into a PDF in the future so we can download and/or print it?

Yes!  That's why I'm writing it. :)  As a resource for anyone who wants to explore the use of firearms as part of a TEOTWAWKI plan.  I'm trying something different and composing each post as I go (writing it online basically).  So far it's been working. :)

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Your image for the Mini-14 is broken (Tripod doesn't allow hotlinking)

I can also turn this into a print-friendly PDF for you once it's done, unless you're already planning on doing this yourself.

I noticed that the day I started this thread, but can't seem to go back and edit older posts (I'm not sure why) so I'll correct it in the PDF version.  Thanks for pointing it out. 
As far as the PDF, that would be great.  My only question would be using images from Wiki or other sources.  I don't want to get into copyright issues.  That said, I welcome the help of compiling it into a print-friendly PDF when it's done being written.  Then I'm hoping Jack can maybe host it here or Kev from http://www.survivalistboards.com/ .  I'm just doing it to help the community, and because I liked Mel Tappan's book when I was a kid. 


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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 08:21:33 PM »
As far as the PDF, that would be great.  My only question would be using images from Wiki or other sources.  I don't want to get into copyright issues.  That said, I welcome the help of compiling it into a print-friendly PDF when it's done being written.  Then I'm hoping Jack can maybe host it here or Kev from http://www.survivalistboards.com/ .  I'm just doing it to help the community, and because I liked Mel Tappan's book when I was a kid. 

Best solution here is to ask TSP forum members for pictures of their own personal guns, and permission to use them in the PDF guide - that adds a personal touch! :)

Failing that, as long as you're not planning to sell this book, that would fall under the "Fair Use" guidelines, as you're not trying to profit off the photos and they are being used for illustrative and representative purposes only.

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 10:03:11 PM »
Best solution here is to ask TSP forum members for pictures of their own personal guns, and permission to use them in the PDF guide - that adds a personal touch! :)

Failing that, as long as you're not planning to sell this book, that would fall under the "Fair Use" guidelines, as you're not trying to profit off the photos and they are being used for illustrative and representative purposes only.

Thanks for the idea Chris.  I had thought of asking people if they'd be willing to share pictures of the various firearm models.  That way if we did try to print something as a book later (for people who prefer hard copy) we wouldn't run into the rights "stuff" of pics found online.  For now, however, I think we're in fair use territory as I'm just planning for this to be a downloadable PDF resource for the time being.  I do plan to add some to each of the previous sections too before finalizing anything, but wanted to get something started for people new to firearms and thought it would be worth posting as I went. :)

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Re: Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 11:57:52 PM »
If you can snag images from places like Wikipedia Commons, there is a fair use license in place.  =-]

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 08:03:56 AM »
A related post that might be good is this discussion of "springs wear out":
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=4554.msg45522#msg45522

Just in terms of keeping things loaded.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 09:49:35 AM »
Got the big part of the revolver section up.  Going to finish and go into autoloaders and finish with rifle caliber pistols later.  Got the space reserved.  Sticking to common calibers to simplify things.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 10:19:31 AM »
Nicely done, PistolWhipped. It's nice to collaborate with you! :)

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 11:36:21 AM »
Not sure if there's any market for it - but maybe I could chip in a "For Canadians Only - Surviving In A Socialist State?" section? ;)

I joke, but only a little. For those who don't know, the Canadian firearms restrictions make California look downright friendly in many situations.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 10:01:43 AM »
Been REALLY busy with work, going to work on the next section of Autoloaders tomorrow.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2009, 05:49:04 PM »
There could definitely be a section for people living "in occupied territories" like Canada, Europe and Australia.  Perhaps even alternatives could be offered to fill the various roles (ie. a fast lever action as a Defensive Rifle or a target pistol as a sidearm).  Not a bad idea and we'll see how it fits the subject matter. :)

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2009, 06:29:04 PM »
One idea: mention some where around cleaning and maintenance that you can go to Youtube, type in the name of your gun in the search engine, and probably have several good how-to videos on field stripping, cleaning, etc.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2009, 06:30:42 PM »
That's where I learned to strip my 44 DE

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 10:07:39 AM »
Hmm, I can't see the whole thread from My PC right now.  Hope those last 2 posts got in.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM »
Sorry about the sporadic updates.  Work is mauling me.  I'll work on suggested Handguns for the Survivalist next post (or 2, I am recommending a fair few).

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2009, 07:57:24 AM »
Thanks again for doing this.  I understand the mauling at work thing, which makes me appreciate what you're doing even more.

How about a cleaning and maintenance section?  I can't remember, maybe someone else suggested this.

You could have a general cleaning section and then maybe some little sections relating to a particular gun in that gun's section.

For the general cleaning section something like "clean from the action to the end of the barrel."  And "don't nick the crown."  And "if you use solvent, and have plastic or rubber grips or other non-metal parts, make sure it's synthetic-safe" and "cover scope ends so you don't get cleaning solvent or oil on them." 

For a gun-specific section like for shotguns: "get a bore snake for the gauge of your shotgun and lube the action once in a while."  For revolvers, "get a short handgun cleaning rod and clean the cylinders."  For the 10/22 "you can't clean from the action to the end of barrel so either be careful and clean it from the end of the barrel or get an Otis pull-through cleaning kit."

That kind of thing.  Most sections will either not have a specific cleaning instruction or a short one like those above.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2009, 11:37:01 PM »
Looks like the Glock got it's own whole post.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2009, 11:20:44 PM »
Anyone wanna throw out some autoloader handgun recommendations I haven't mentioned?  I've shot a lot, so if I have, I'll note it.  If not, then I'll look into reviews.  Anyone's personal reviews would be appreciated.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2009, 07:51:03 AM »
One idea for the cleaning and maintenance section is the Otis pull-through cleaning cord:

http://www.otisgun.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/fhowto.html&setup=1&cart_id=

They work on some guns that have blocked breeches for traditional breech to muzzle cleaning, like a 10/22.

They work on every kind of gun, from .17 HMR to 12 gauge, rifle, pistol, shotgun, you name it.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2009, 10:46:47 PM »
Well, if no one has any pistol requests, I guess I'll turn it back over to you whatzhizname.

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2009, 08:44:29 PM »
Shoot I seem to have posted in the pdf construction thread not seeing the discussion thread can someone please move my post from there to here?

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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2010, 12:45:41 PM »
I'm looking through, how is this project coming along? There's been some interesting developments in the airgun world over the past year or so, and there are non-custom, production, medium game airguns readily available now as well as a new crop of very high performance small game guns. In stock trim, the classic, heavy, brass benji has been superseded.


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Re: "Firearms for TEOTWAWKI" - Discussion Thread
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2010, 01:49:19 PM »
I'm looking through, how is this project coming along?


Good question.

Get training then worry about gun selection.

Seriously, training is probably more important than gun selection, within reason of course.

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