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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2014, 07:04:10 AM »
The one on Hwy 70?

That was nearly 25 years ago and clouded by college induced haze. ;) I want to say it was on the North side of Raleigh somewhere near Atlantic Avenue/Capital Blvd area. I don't think it's in the same location now. I know to get there from the NCSU side of town, I'd take Wade Ave in towards downtown, then get on Capital Blvd north and make a few other turns but they've re-sculpted so much of that area now I can't tell from google maps what used to be what. And Crabtree Creek ran nearby there because I remember a Biscuitville nearby that we used to eat at occasionally and the creek ran right beside it. I can still find that on the map! It didn't take much to flood that creek. I could probably find it given a little time to drive around. I think the owner lived in/near Garner. We sold Sea-Doo's and woodstoves at the time too.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2014, 11:16:50 AM »
More stuff removed! Clutch, most of the coolant system, and more of the wiring harness has been removed:

Album start for this series: http://imgur.com/a/OCiBf#50

Fuse box and ignition coming off:







Clutch:



Coolant System:





This bike never seems to fun out of fluids...




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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2014, 11:48:06 AM »
oh so that is where the fuses are. never found them on my old Suzuki..

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2014, 10:19:22 PM »
Got more done this evening, the above post was actually from the other night. I wish I could spend all day working on this.

Album start: http://imgur.com/a/OCiBf#71

Radiator and fan:



This was hanging off the bike when I got it, I think it's part of the fuel line. I think I'm looking at a fuel pump and filter:



Coolant reservoir is out, and the plastic baggy method for small parts/screws/etc is great, thanks for the tip guys!



Ignition coils for the rear head... I think... I'm pretty sure... they connect to the spark plugs, my wordage might be wrong:



Keeping a photo record of parts and wires. I have a wiring diagram but I'm sure every little bit will help:



Bracket removed!



Today's harvest. The box next to the parts is getting full, about time to get another one ready:



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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2014, 12:09:14 PM »
So jealous right now. I haven't wrenched on a project car since I was right out of high school. 1984 Camaro that I took the engine out and stuck in a 383. I may have to creep on Craigslist and find me some old 4 door sedan from the 70's.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2014, 09:05:23 AM »
Today you will meet... Chopper Street Bike!

Album start: http://imgur.com/a/OCiBf#97

Foot pegs are coming off:



Removed, along with a random wire... not sure where its home is:



Upper frame is off:



And here she is! CHOPPER STREET BIKE!



It's about to get real detailed and intricate now... time to slow down and really pay attention to what I'm doing:




So the good news is that I am able to turn the engine about 95% in a complete rotation. I can visibly see the rods moving in a couple of the openings, but I can also see what looks like rust. I'm sure that's from when it got flooded. Hopefully once I get into it I'll be able to clean it up and get it running again, if not the bike is getting parted out and I'll have to start over...

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2014, 09:42:09 PM »
So... got some of the clutch parts removed, and then ran into a snag. I need a special tool to remove a lock nut from the inside of the clutch, and don't really want to shell out $50+ for this one tool. I've asked around some bike forum to see if someone has one I can borrow.

Here's some photos of the little progress that was made:

Now you see it:



Now you don't:



Parts removed and placed down in the order they came off:



And here's the problem:



The nut is staked and I need a special Honda 26 x 30mm spanner wrench to remove it... of all the times to be reminded of an AR 15... so if anyone happens to have Honda tool 07716-0020203 lying around their shop, I'll pay for postage to ship it to me and I promise to send it back!

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2014, 11:56:24 PM »
I did an Ebay search for you but only could find 20x24mm wrenches.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2014, 08:51:09 AM »
I did an Ebay search for you but only could find 20x24mm wrenches.

yup, i did find one at an obscure website here . it might work, but i'm not sure since it's not specific to my bike. i think i'm going to go to HF today and pick up an angle grinder and grind down a socket to fit. i've seen a couple DIY posts where guys did this and it worked. plus it will add a tool to my toobox that i have wanted, there's been several times in the past where having one would have been nice, and HF has them for 9.99 after a coupon... so same price and i get it NOW!

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2014, 10:10:44 AM »
Times like that, I love working where I do. I can just draw up in CAD whatever I need, and have it laser cut out of sheet metal in no time. Or weld something together. Metal shops are great for stuff like that.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2014, 08:48:09 PM »
So are you offering to make me stuff or just gloating?  ;)

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2014, 10:46:08 PM »
Victory is mine! Pics tomorrow.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2014, 09:27:22 AM »
Pics of my glorious victory! I bought a socket and an angle grinder.

Marking the socket:



I think my next tool will be a vice...





More special tools needed? A clutch lock and gear stopper? I think I have those lying around here somewhere...





Victory!



The nut that was the problem is the one next to the end of the rod:


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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2014, 12:42:54 AM »
hurah for DIY!

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2014, 10:11:44 AM »
So are you offering to make me stuff or just gloating?  ;)

Mainly just gloating. :-D

But really, if you need something small, shoot me a message and we can talk about it. It's usually not to much hassle to get something cut.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2014, 11:38:08 AM »
good job!

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2014, 11:47:24 AM »
Mainly just gloating. :-D

But really, if you need something small, shoot me a message and we can talk about it. It's usually not to much hassle to get something cut.

That's so cool of you to offer that. I may need a small part or two fabricated during the rebuild, not sure.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2014, 08:31:20 AM »
Got most of the exhaust off last night. There are still two pipes that come out of the rear of the engine but I can't remove those until I either drop the engine or remove the swing arm and rear shock... not sure which way to go yet.



The inside of the pipes where they connect was nasty and rusted out:




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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2014, 05:13:57 PM »
Lot's more done and getting close to dropping the engine!

All of this is coming off:



Not sure how long this bike sat... but spider webs and dead ants were everywhere!



Alternator flywheel and stator removed:



Oil pan off, I can see through the engine! Really impressed with how well the inside of the engine looks. Most components look brand new still which is encouraging:



This all came out:



Kickstand is off. It's up to the jack to hold until I drop the engine:



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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2014, 06:07:02 PM »
keep going!
i want to see you get it all back together and not have leftover parts.... ;)

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2014, 09:03:16 PM »
keep going!
i want to see you get it all back together and not have leftover parts.... ;)

I know... I had a small ring fall out last night from underneath... I'm not really sure where it goes, but I have an idea. I'm going to try and figure that out tonight.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2014, 08:19:45 AM »
good luck!

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2014, 08:27:00 AM »
You really need to quit changing your name... here I am thinking I had a new person interested in my rebuild...

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2014, 08:09:32 AM »
You really need to quit changing your name... here I am thinking I had a new person interested in my rebuild...
haha ;) maybe in a few weeks when things get calmed down i'll go back to archer.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2014, 02:12:32 AM »
You really need to quit changing your name... here I am thinking I had a new person interested in my rebuild...


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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2014, 10:08:30 AM »
Getting close!

Album start: http://imgur.com/a/OCiBf#163

Wheels, frame, and engine are all that's left:



Front wheel off:



Forks removed:



More special tool time!



Rear wheel removed:



Swing arm off:



Almost there. The frame bolts were really sticking and I may have stripped one. I'm going to hit them with PB blaster for a day or two and try again.



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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2014, 10:36:11 AM »
So I did completely round off one of the bolts. A quick Google search and I learned about bolt out sockets. They grab rounded bolts as you remove them:



Worked great, and you can see why that bolt stuck so bad:



Frame is off and engine is on the workbench ready for phase 2:



If you want to go through the whole album of 193 pictures it is here: http://imgur.com/a/OCiBf#0

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2014, 11:43:38 AM »
Wow, can't believe I haven't touched this for over a month. I got to tear down one of the heads last night and took a look at what I have to work with:

Took the other head cover off and started to match up bolts with the ones I had since the guy before me removed one size but didn't mark anything. Here's just the cover off so you can see the difference in both sides:



Cam shafts before removal (and more bolt matching):



Cam shafts out:



And here's the damage, some rust on the drive gear:



Underside of the head:



And piston chambers:



I took the upper head to a shop and showed them some other pictures. They think it's not too bad but there's still a lot of unknowns since i don't have the valves off yet. There is a special tool in my way that I am currently trying to source to get the valve springs removed.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2014, 11:13:45 PM »
Got one head completely disassembled the other night. I think I used over 20 baggies to keep all of the parts separate and labeled.

I was waiting on a valve spring compressor. Got it for $13.51 off ebay. The seller messed up so I got my shipping refunded but had to wait a few extra days for it to arrive:



I labeled some card board and printed this picture out then further labeled it to keep each individual part accounted for. This will also allow me to reinstall everything in the exact spot it came out of:





Compressor in action:



One down... seven to go!



This was one of the intake valves... yuck! I am encouraged though that the rim is so shiny and not corroded. I'm hoping the valves will all sit nicely against the chambers.



Dirty...



This head is done!



With that said I'm getting the point that I need to start cleaning these parts and seeing what I have. I have read about boiling parts in water, boiling in lemon juice, or just dipping in carb cleaner. Any recommended methods for cleaning this type of stuff up? I'm planning on buying a stock pot large enough to fit each individual piece if I go the boiling route and seeing if my grill's side burner will do the job. Pretty sure my wife would kill me if I tried to boil this off inside.

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Re: 1986 Honda VFR 700 Rebuild
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2014, 12:02:40 AM »
I don't know if you can get away with it or not but a few years ago I cleaned out an aluminum head off a straight six in the dishwasher using a non sudsy cleaner. It took a few times but it came out looking ok. We hit it with walnut shells out of a sandblaster first because we had some lying around.