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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 03:20:35 PM »
Bavaria public radio is reporting GSG9 is moving to the area by helicopter.  Don't be fooled by Merkel's reputation into thinking Germany is soft.  GSG9 are a bunch of hardened Teutonic pipe hitters.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 03:47:48 PM »
Bavaria public radio is reporting GSG9 is moving to the area by helicopter.  Don't be fooled by Merkel's reputation into thinking Germany is soft.  GSG9 are a bunch of hardened Teutonic pipe hitters.

So Chem, you've taught me another new phrase.  I had to look it up, of course.    This is from the "Pipe Hitters Union" website:

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So what is a Pipe Hitter? We hear that question a lot. Well, the Urban Dictionary defines the term "Pipe Hitter" as: “Someone or a group of people who are willing to go to the extreme in order to get things accomplished. Also known as a “Heavy Hitter”."

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2016, 06:01:49 PM »
For all their gun control, the Europeans sure are having a bunch of shootings.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2016, 06:10:10 PM »
It's looking like 9 fatalities not counting the suspect(s).
He was shooting up a McDonalds and some of the fatalities are children.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 06:47:18 PM »
Announcement that the ninth death is the shooter who shot himself. He's a German-Iranian teenager.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2016, 06:54:25 PM »
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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2016, 06:55:56 PM »
Interesting. Iranians are overwhelmingly Shia, the vast majority of the Jihadis (AQ, ISIS, etc) are not only Sunni  but consider Shia apostates.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2016, 06:56:16 PM »
The one on the parking lot roof appears to have been shot by a sniper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U100bq3W3Vs

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2016, 07:03:29 PM »
The reports are that there was only a single shooter. No motive, as of yet. Yet another shooting with multiple reported perpetrators that turns out to be lone gunmen.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2016, 07:11:48 PM by FreeLancer »

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2016, 07:44:18 PM »
Interesting. Iranians are overwhelmingly Shia, the vast majority of the Jihadis (AQ, ISIS, etc) are not only Sunni  but consider Shia apostates.

There's no accounting for crazy.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2016, 07:49:36 PM »
Interesting. Iranians are overwhelmingly Shia, the vast majority of the Jihadis (AQ, ISIS, etc) are not only Sunni  but consider Shia apostates.

SO, he was raised SHai, but he is a teen and decides he likes ISIS better than what his parents taught... he wants to help make a Muslim state....

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2016, 07:59:02 PM »
Announcement that the ninth death is the shooter who shot himself. He's a German-Iranian teenager.

CNN says a few things that add up interestingly:

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...The unidentified gunman was an 18-year-old German-Iranian who had lived in Munich for more than two years...

A profanity-filled verbal exchange between a man who matches the description of the Munich shooter and a witness was posted on social media Friday. The exchange, recorded on two different camera phones, captured an intense conversation that ends in gunfire. The man who appears to be a shooter said insulting things about Turks, did not espouse jihadist ideology and spoke with a German accent. ...

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar,"...

German Turks are mostly (but not entirely) Sunni, and I assume German Iranians are mostly Shia.  Maybe that's the excuse for this particular mass-murder?

Still just guessing, but it doesn't sound like a typical Islamic State jihadist at the moment.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2016, 08:19:54 PM »
He could also be kurdish from Turkey. Kurds are primarily (but not all) sunni.  Kurds hate Turks (the ethnicity) and Iranians. Iranians and Turks hate Kurds.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2016, 09:07:30 PM »
SO, he was raised SHai, but he is a teen and decides he likes ISIS better than what his parents taught... he wants to help make a Muslim state....
Takes "teenage rebellion" to a whole new level.

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2016, 11:23:39 PM »
Bizarre exchange between shooter and witness:  http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/i-am-german-youre-a-wanker-bizarre-conversation-with-munich-gunman/news-story/23c4d7ab7f017d2b64642a4e5c48b162

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Witness: ‘You f*****g a*sehole you ...’

Shooter: ‘Because of you I was bullied for seven years’.

Witness: ‘You wanker you. You’re a wanker.’

Shooter: ‘ ... and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you.’

Witness: ‘a gun — f**k off your head isn’t on right.’

Shooter and Balcony Man shout at each other.

Witness apparently to people filming: ‘He’s got a gun here the guy has one.’

Shooter: ‘F*****g Turks!’

Witness: ‘F*****g foreigners.’

Witness to unidentified person: ‘Ey! He’s got a gun. He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here. He’s walking around here the wanker!’

Shooter: ‘I am German.’

Witness: ‘You’re a wanker is what you are.’

Shooter: ‘Stop filming!’

Witness: ‘A wanker is what you are, what the f**k are you doing?’

Shooter: ‘Yeah what, I was born here!’

Witness: ‘Yeah and what the f**k you think you’re doing?’

Shooter: ‘I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.

Witness and Shooter talk at same time (unintelligible).

Shooter references ‘Behandlung’ which translates to ‘treatment’.

Witness says something like, ‘Yeah treatment is something for you.’

Shooter: ‘I haven’t done anything here for ... Just shut your f*****g face man.’

Witness: ‘You c**t you.’

Witness: ‘Hey! He’s on the upper floor here ‘

Shooter starts firing. Witness calls him a c**t again.


Kind of paints the picture of a poorly assimilated Muslim immigrant who's pissed off at the world.  The German sounds like a real lover of mankind, too.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2016, 11:34:38 PM by FreeLancer »

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2016, 12:14:19 AM »
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Bizarre exchange between shooter and witness:

Both required treatment and social skills? Perhaps Toastmasters International?
Yikes..

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2016, 08:56:12 AM »
The shooter was a teen who had been bullied by other teens so this can be compared to Columbine.
The shooter was Muslim who targeted middle class Europeans like Paris and Nice.
The shooter was mentally unstable and obsessed with violence like Charles Dahmer.

I have been thinking about this from a philosophical viewpoint (what came first the chicken or the egg?). How would you categorize this tragedy?  Islamist terrorism, copycat killing, psychotic maniac killing spree, poor disenfranchised youth reaching out for understanding, or?

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Re: Shooting at shopping mall in Munich
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2016, 09:20:30 AM »
The shooter was a teen who had been bullied by other teens so this can be compared to Columbine.
The shooter was Muslim who targeted middle class Europeans like Paris and Nice.
The shooter was mentally unstable and obsessed with violence like Charles Dahmer.

I have been thinking about this from a philosophical viewpoint (what came first the chicken or the egg?). How would you categorize this tragedy?  Islamist terrorism, copycat killing, psychotic maniac killing spree, poor disenfranchised youth reaching out for understanding, or?


I know a lot of people make fun of the anti-bullying efforts, but honestly, this might be a prime example of why it really is kind of a big deal.


Kid is different somehow (not even obvious why sometimes, just a target for some jerk kid trying to prove himself).
Kid is ostracized and becomes even more "different."
Kid finds other ostracized and/or bullied kids who actually understand his plight, and of course, the one thing they have in common is that the other people treat them like crap.


Throw in a little mental illness and a lack of compassion toward a group of people who they feel were cruel to them (even if it wasn't everyone), extrapolate that to be society as a whole.  Now you've got a shooter.  It's one big snowball rolling downhill fast, and it's really hard to control just where it stops, if it ever does.