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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2014, 10:42:06 AM »
I hope they found and arrested the right guy, and that the current suspect will get a fair trial to help determine that fact.

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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2014, 05:51:50 PM »
I will never understand why we trust young men and women in uniform to protect and defend the interests of the United States around the world, but they're not permitted to protect themselves while on US soil.  There is something wrong when even the officers on US bases don't carry weapons.

I don't disagree, but when I made the same statement to my cousin whom just got out of the Army, he said "HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY'RE LETTING IN THESE DAYS?"

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2014, 09:36:53 PM »
I don't disagree, but when I made the same statement to my cousin whom just got out of the Army, he said "HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY'RE LETTING IN THESE DAYS?"

They've actually been more selective over the past few years.  With the number of people long term unemployed, they've had a better pool to choose from and could afford to be more picky.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 10:05:12 PM »
They've actually been more selective over the past few years.  With the number of people long term unemployed, they've had a better pool to choose from and could afford to be more picky.

Perhaps they have been more selective, but the problem has already been implemented. The standards were set soo low that all the crap has risen up some and now has some rank. The collection of constant deployments and crap rules and regulations forced most of the good officers and higher enlisted to the contractor sector to make better money. This left a really low standard of the higher ups who made even more stupid rules and watered down what it meant to be in the military. The change I saw between 2005 and 2014 is incredible. Most of the new guys I had in my last unit were the sorriest bunch, not in the "oh they have never deployed," mentality we have in the military. It is like a group of Gomer Pyle, but not comical. PT, weapons and tactics are gone along with dicipline.


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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2014, 10:35:39 PM »
They've actually been more selective over the past few years.

I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(

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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2014, 10:38:55 PM »
I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(

My cousin told me what I referenced several years ago.  And wasn't referencing people with mental illness, he was describing the unsavory's we see in our inner cities. . . .  Drugs, gangs, thieves, etc.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2014, 09:42:49 AM »
I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(

I don't think the post about the selection of soldiers was in response to the actual incident, just the military in general. I do completely agree that the military does not have the capacity to handle what is going on. The soldiers today have spent far more time in combat or preparation for combat then ever before, the family system is completely broken down and they have no support. I spent more time in a combat zone then I spent in high school and struggled with suicide and almost losing my family time and time again.

I personally thought that getting out of the military would have fixed my problems some, but it really just got worse. I prepared early as hell to try and get a job and SSDI as well as my education benefits. The VA managed to screw every thing up. I went in super early for my mental health appointments and they stated they were going to sign me up for everything, and I never heard back from anyone.

It is no surprise that these things happen, and the talking heads just equate it to how evil the baby killing soldiers are, with no idea of what made the problem. Most people I talk to do not even realize we are still in Afghanistan.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2014, 10:15:42 AM »
It is no surprise that these things happen, and the talking heads just equate it to how evil the baby killing soldiers are, with no idea of what made the problem. Most people I talk to do not even realize we are still in Afghanistan.

yup. my brother is over there now.....

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2014, 04:20:57 PM »
Heck, we're still in Japan, Korea, and Germany.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2014, 08:04:02 AM »
not quite a shooting:
At least 20 students were injured in a stabbing incident at Pennsylvania's Franklin Regional High School this morning, an official says. Watch breaking news coverage now on CNN TV.

A suspect was in custody after the stabbings at the school in Murrysville, about 15 miles east of downtown Pittsburgh, authorities said.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2014, 08:53:55 AM »
LIVE FEED: http://www.wpxi.com/videos/news/wpxi-live-news/vsQ2Z/

A doctor at Forbes Regional Hospital says seven of the victims suffered life threatening injuries. Dr. Chris Kaufman says two victims were in the operating room and one was awaiting surgery.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2014, 09:48:09 AM »
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.

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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2014, 09:49:33 AM »
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.
So very true.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2014, 07:18:56 PM »
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.

Exactly.  If you remove every way you can think of, they just get more creative.

They're not rational people.

I don't know of any person that has ever said "I want to kill someone, but guns are illegal.  So I guess I'll just have some ice cream.  Anyone else want some?"

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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2014, 07:29:49 PM »
Exactly.  If you remove every way you can think of, they just get more creative.

They're not rational people.

I don't know of any person that has ever said "I want to kill someone, but guns are illegal.  So I guess I'll just have some ice cream.  Anyone else want some?"
Yep, pressure cooker anyone?

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2014, 07:52:19 PM »
They still stone people in many countries.
Cain killed Abel with a non-descript murder weapon. Stone or bare hands we have no real idea.

Jael, the wife of Heber, assassinated a rival king by driving a nail through his skull.

http://gawker.com/5917689/texas-man-who-killed-four-year-old-daughters-molester-with-bare-hands-hailed-as-hero

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2014, 08:25:25 PM »
This happened a few hours ago, been keeping track of it.
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/04/13/gunman-kills-3-at-jewish-locations-in-kansas-on-eve-of-passover/

PASSOVER EVE ATTACK:
- Shots fired at 2 Jewish locations in Overland Park, Kansas
- 3 dead, 2 others missed
- Suspect: White male, 70s, yelled "heil Hitler"

3 minutes ago:
Gunman in Kansas shootings identified as 73-year-old Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. who founded White Patriot Party in 80s - SPLC
Wife of suspect in Ks. shootings said he had visited casino yesterday, called wife this morning to say "his winnings were up"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller_Jr.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2014, 12:57:57 AM »
This happened a few hours ago, been keeping track of it.
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/04/13/gunman-kills-3-at-jewish-locations-in-kansas-on-eve-of-passover/

PASSOVER EVE ATTACK:
- Shots fired at 2 Jewish locations in Overland Park, Kansas
- 3 dead, 2 others missed
- Suspect: White male, 70s, yelled "heil Hitler"

3 minutes ago:
Gunman in Kansas shootings identified as 73-year-old Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. who founded White Patriot Party in 80s - SPLC
Wife of suspect in Ks. shootings said he had visited casino yesterday, called wife this morning to say "his winnings were up"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller_Jr.

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TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2014, 07:54:32 AM »
TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon.

Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. is a Patriot?

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2014, 05:23:21 PM »
TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon...
Did you even click on the link to see what type of group the White Patriot Party is? That kind of patriot will burn in hell.

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Re: Current active shooter thread
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2014, 05:25:43 PM »
That kind of patriot will burn in hell.

We can hope.

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« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2014, 05:37:29 PM »
The couple who lost their son and the daughter's grandfather have been granting interviews to the local news.   Apparently the grandfather and grandson had just arrived at the JCC campus and had just opened their doors to exit the vehicle when they were ambushed and murdered in cold blood.

As we see too often, these locations (JCC campus and Shalom Plaza) are posted "gun-free" zones (I have personally seen the signs there in the past). 

It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.  While I offer my thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of those who were murdered I send a message to KS Gov. Brownback to revive the death penalty for this scumbag responsible for the calculated and cold blooded murder of three innocent people.  It should be noted that there is still one teen in the hospital fighting for his life (critical condition).

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« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2014, 07:14:30 PM »
When I was a kid, "patriots" were people that loved their country and risked their lives to keep it free.

Now the word has been corrupted so people only think of paranoid nutjobs that are plotting the bombing of a government building or a$$holes burning crosses on someone's lawn.

That's not patriotic to me.  Patriotic is doing the work and standing up for everyone's freedom.

It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.

So very true.  Kind of tells a lot about someone when they choose the elderly or children as victims.

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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2014, 07:33:58 AM »
It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.

Really?  I'd think that anyone who was going to try to kill strangers in cold blood, and was going to pick targets (rather than shoot out wherever they are), would aim for the weak and vulnerable on purpose.  After you make those two assumptions, it just makes sense.

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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2014, 07:54:50 AM »
Local news update on status of suspect and charges:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/14/4959101/kansas-city-mother-third-victim.html
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Frazier Glenn Miller Jr., 73, of Aurora, Mo., also known as Frazier Glenn Cross, could be charged as soon as today in Johnson County District Court, where he probably will face murder counts. District Attorney Steve Howe said information about charges could be released this morning.

Miller will face hate-crime charges in federal court, based on allegations that he was motivated by bias, said Barry Grissom, the U.S. attorney for Kansas
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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2014, 08:27:28 AM »
Did you even click on the link to see what type of group the White Patriot Party is? That kind of patriot will burn in hell.

I'm not supporting what they do or are about (I consider them scum trash), only saying the controlled media, the administration, and the minions activist groups, are connecting the word "Patriot" to evil people, evil actions, and slanderous deeds, in order to villify real patriot people.  I wouldn't be surprised if that whole "White Patriot Party" was a CIA or FBI planted straw organization for this sole purpose.

Someone should dig for ties.

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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2014, 09:13:32 AM »
Someone should dig for ties.

His organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.. The KKK started in 1865. On a sidenote, I was very surprised at how many KKK groups there aren't in the southern states and I was surprised that Texas has the most KKK groups at 18 of them.

18. Texas
11. Mississippi
 9. North Carolina
 5. Arkansas
 4. Alabama

Twenty five years ago Miller was charged with Sunday’s three hate murders outside Kansas City, Frazier Glenn Miller figured prominently in a triple hate homicide in North Carolina.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/15/the-kc-klansman-s-missing-years-as-a-federal-informant.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-jewish-center-kansas-violent-ex-kkk-member-article-1.1755618
The video on this last link was interesting
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-jewish-center-kansas-violent-ex-kkk-member-article-1.1755618

He dropped out of high school, and joined the United States Army and served in the Special Forces. He served two tours of duty in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War. He was discharged from the army as a sergeant in 1979, for distributing racist propaganda. During his time as leader of the WPP, he unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party's 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina, and the 1986 Republican Party's nomination for a seat in the United States Senate. Miller was on the run at the time when he was arrested, having absconded while appealing a conviction for defying a court ban against engaging in paramilitary activities. He had issued a declaration of war against the government.

While he was in jail/prison, his White Patriot Party that he founded, kicked him out and then the group died.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070930013115/http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=127

This is his website http://www.whty.org/
He mostly accuses people of a certain religion being the heads of different media corporations. Maybe Miller could have done the same if he did not drop out of highschool in the 10th grade.

In 2012 he spoke to a class studying religious extremism at Missouri State
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/professor-explains-kansas-city-shooters-visit

This guy is solo... Like the teacher Embree mentioned in the article above,  “When he came to my class the first thing he did was show a video of himself at a Klan rally 20 or 25 years ago.Those were the best days of his life.” Then, he was the leader of something, he was running for North Carolina govenor http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=66118 since then, he has not been much of a 'howdoyado'. Maybe shooting people made him feel like someone, or he was doing what I call a 'chicken suicide'. He wanted to make the papers and 'be someone', but he wanted the police to kill him. Ironically two of the three people he killed were not even his intended target. They were Methodists. I figure this guy should be in the same place as Phelps.

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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2014, 09:23:56 AM »
@ Cedar, the third victim to date was Catholic.  Yes, I agree, he was looking for his 15 min of fame.

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« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2014, 11:21:27 AM »
http://www.fox45now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wrgt_vid_19969.shtml
Shooting at the VA hospital in Dayton, OH.  Suspect in custody. 

Still an active floor to floor search.