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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2014, 06:15:19 PM »
  I tried to call you all last Sunday, but didn't hear anyone. To late today I have a net at 0000z so I won't be there. The FoF2 in Michigan is 5.963 at 23:30z. It should be a little higher where you are. If contests get on your nervices, try 60 meters or one of the other WARC bands. 73

Dr RUTH would help most of the contesters. If the did it once a month ,fine ,but the do it every weekend.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2014, 06:18:20 PM »
Yeah, I hear the contesters too.  Well, people are gonna do contests, races, competitions, etc. and that's fine too, not like I bought and paid for the ionosphere out of my own pocket. :)  Things get crowded on a Saturday evening, to be sure.

If you want to try again tomorrow at 1pm CDT (1800 Zulu), I'm down for that.

Also, will try on 20m 14.310 at 1:30pm CDT, stepping up by 2.5 khz as needed.

Speaking of a frequency step, something I've been meaning to mention... Last winter over at the Prepared Ham board we tried to get a net going on Wednesday evenings, and it sort worked, sorta didn't.  But one thing that kept happening was a 3 khz step would bump us from one interfered-with frequency into another one.  People tend to go toward round numbers, so if we (say) started at 7250, then stepped 7253, there would always be someone yaking on 7255!  When we backed off to a 2.5 khz step, we could usually snick in between the two conversations on 7250 & 7255.

But hell, we were all over the place before most evenings ended, and none of it worked very well.  I'm still ruminating about putting together an uberpost covering lessons learned from that month-long goat rodeo.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2014, 07:02:40 PM »
That is the beauty of NVIS,the band works for us when it dosn't work for the high-antenna folks. I am up for moost anything to keep gathering antenna and conversation...I heard no-one today,except the 'special' HAM who moved in 1 khz away from where I was already calling ,that came up and asked if his 30 over S-9 signal was bothering me ...he found out where I was and wanted a contact....I just said no...the QSB was too bad and I could not hear him.

Tomorrow at 1 PM CST on 7.250 should do just fine.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2014, 12:05:28 PM »
Lots of lightning in the area, so I'm getting a steady S8 in background noise.  Could barely hear Carl over all of the hiss.

Will try on 20m 14.310 at 1:30pm CDT, even though the background noise isn't any better there.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2014, 12:13:19 PM »
Lots of lightning in the area, so I'm getting a steady S8 in background noise.  Could barely hear Carl over all of the hiss.

Will try on 20m 14.310 at 1:30pm CDT, even though the background noise isn't any better there.

DSP on the FT 450 Yaesu had cleaned up so your audio was good here Alan and noise was at S-5 ,You were S-8 to S-9 with occasional noise for people on 7.248 who were 20 over 9 here,but I filtered them out. I heard no one else today...looks like rain moving in from West Texas...we need some rain. I will try 20 meters then do a bit more organizing in the diggs.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2014, 12:24:59 PM »
Ah, cool, we're running the same rigs.  Your signal report makes it easy to understand now -- S8-S9 signal on each end, but you had S5 noise and could hear me, but with S8 noise on this end, not so clear.

I was running with the main DSP filter at half-strength.  Still wasn't good enough!

OK, maybe hear something on 20m in a couple of minutes.  Time for a cup of coffee first.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2014, 12:33:54 PM »
Called for a few minutes, heard nothing – nothing beyond a steady S8 of background noise.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2014, 12:41:56 PM »
Called for a few minutes, heard nothing – nothing beyond a steady S8 of background noise.

I heard you calling CQ-TSP and answered you on 14.310...but two guys from Northern US were 20 over S-9 here ...and they were there first.
Our NVIS trouble today may be partly due to 40 being somewhat "open" way earlier than usual.

It is still good info for our antenna viability studies.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2014, 12:52:31 PM »
Ah bummer.  I think it comes down to the noise level being on par with the signal level, and there's no real fix for that.  Thanks for the signal report on 20m, I couldn't hear beans down this way.  With all these thunderstorms around, it's like trying to cary on a conversation in a room full of kindergardeners who just came from a shopping spree at a pots'n'pans store.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2014, 08:39:19 AM »
Alan. Our testing is showing results,good and bad ,and we are learning what works and what does not...so we should continue.

One fact has me worried more about this community...over 1000 views and yet way less than ONE PERCENT have gone to the effort to join in on our Sunday tests...or maybe they lack the proper antennas? They should at least test their gear and improve their LOCAL COVERAGE as I have rarely heard of help coming from Honduras or Far-out-istan when localized help was needed.

Could it be that their radio is still in the box,waiting for the day they need it and it won't work? Don't they yet understand the NEED for COMMUNITY as there must be someone at the other end willing and able to provide aide or assistance?

HAM RADIO is an activity,not just a thing in a box...it is a skill...and it should be practiced.

Stepping down off my soap box.....in my reading of TSP , many great ideas have been lost to lack of participation.

I hope I am wrong and they are all just too busy preparing...

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2014, 02:03:18 PM »
Alan. Our testing is showing results,good and bad ,and we are learning what works and what does not...so we should continue.

I agree.  1pm CDT / 1800 Zulu, 7.250 MHz tomorrow.  If there's interference, step up by 2.5 kHz until we get out of the muck.

Then at 1:30 CDT / 18:30 Zulu, 14.310 MHz, again stepping by 2.5 kHz if there's interference.


The ionosphere's been pretty rough this week.  Just tried listening to WWCR's blues show on 12.160 and it was barely there, not really listenable.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2014, 08:31:45 PM »
I'll be listening for the CQ TSP.
I'm in east-central Alabama.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2014, 07:21:37 AM »
I'll be listening for the CQ TSP.
I'm in east-central Alabama.

GREAT!   :clap:   7.250 and plus 2.5 if busy at 1 PM CST . You should be in NVIS range as we choose the time that the 40 meter band is usually not open so it is less crowded and NVIS does not depend on the band being "OPEN"

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2014, 08:12:58 AM »
I'll be listening for the CQ TSP.
I'm in east-central Alabama.
Looking forward to it, Backwoods.  Should be an easy reach.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2014, 12:12:18 PM »
Called for a while, no contacts.  Ah well, the rest of 40m sounds kind of quiet too.  Will try 20m at 1:30.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2014, 12:13:49 PM »
Well, I'll have to get a wire antenna strung for next week's 40m test.  In the mobile, I heard what I thought was CQ TSP on 7.250 a couple of times, but it was well down in the noise, and I could not pull out any callsigns.  I'll listen at 1:30 for the 20 meter test.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2014, 12:19:11 PM »
OK, will be there.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2014, 12:25:32 PM »
There's a ragchew going on on 14.310.  Bumping up to 14.3125.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2014, 12:34:52 PM »
Nope, quiet on 20m too.  OK, try again next week.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2014, 12:36:13 PM »
Sorry guys...life got in the way...my son called,his Nuke Sub was stationed close enough to OMAN (spelled wrong probably) that he SKYPE called me for a short video chat as he fears that he is about to lose his father(ME) to cancer. Heard you on 14.312.5 but you could not hear me as it was to close.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2014, 12:38:49 PM »
Real life like that DEFINITELY takes priority over a Sunday afternoon QSO.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2014, 12:41:04 PM »
I heard nothing on 14.3125, but I also did not hear the ragchew you heard on 14.310.
I know equipment is working, because I heard contesters at 14.286.7, and a ragchew on 14.259.

The mic on my Kenwood TS-50 has wires loose, so I couldn't have talked to y'all anyway :-)  Got the soldering iron fired up, and I will be in ship shape for next week's test.

Also, going to order a balun so I can construct a GrassWire antenna for next week.

I've set an alarm on the iPhone to be on next week.  Enjoying this.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2014, 12:43:01 PM »
Sorry guys...life got in the way...my son called,his Nuke Sub was stationed close enough to OMAN (spelled wrong probably) that he SKYPE called me for a short video chat as he fears that he is about to lose his father(ME) to cancer. Heard you on 14.312.5 but you could not hear me as it was to close.

You definitely didn't want to miss that Skype call.  My prayers are with you on your cancer.  Lost my father in law that way.  Praying you can beat it.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2014, 12:44:54 PM »
I heard nothing on 14.3125, but I also did not hear the ragchew you heard on 14.310.
I know equipment is working, because I heard contesters at 14.286.7, and a ragchew on 14.259.

The mic on my Kenwood TS-50 has wires loose, so I couldn't have talked to y'all anyway :-)  Got the soldering iron fired up, and I will be in ship shape for next week's test.

Also, going to order a balun so I can construct a GrassWire antenna for next week.

I've set an alarm on the iPhone to be on next week.  Enjoying this.

Grasswire is not hard to deply. You will be amazed at performance from an antenna that most people would say CAN'T WORK.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2014, 06:39:14 AM »
Anybody up for trying again today?  Carl, you up for this?  I'll be there.  Here's the sched:

40m: 1pm CDT / 1800 Zulu, 7.250 MHz (LSB).  If there's interference, step up by 2.5 kHz until we get out of the muck.

20m: 1:30 CDT / 18:30 Zulu, 14.310 MHz (USB).  If there's interference, step up to 14.320, then step from 2.5 kHz from there.

There's been some ruckus on 14.313, it's become sort of ham radio's very own CB Ch. 6 of late.  The FCC's been trying to clean it up, but there was still a bit of angry chatter there last week.  So let's step over that mess and go straight to 14.320 if there's interference on the original frequency.

If you're not a ham but have an SSB-equiped SW receiver, listen in and give a signal report.  The more, the better.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2014, 09:26:13 AM »
I have lunch out today,parents Anniversary. But I should be there on time.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2014, 12:00:12 PM »
And a local ragchew just started on 7.248, starting straight up on 7.252.5

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2014, 12:41:48 PM »
Well that was a nice Sunday chat with Carl.  Didn't copy anyone else, anybody hear us going on?

Called but heard nothing up on 14.310 (except for a little spatter from the 14.313 guys...) so I jumped up to 14.320, right into a special event station calling CQ on 14.319.

OK, back to the rest of this Sunday's regularly scheduled IRL activities...

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2014, 12:54:00 PM »
Well that was a nice Sunday chat with Carl.  Didn't copy anyone else, anybody hear us going on?

Called but heard nothing up on 14.310 (except for a little spatter from the 14.313 guys...) so I jumped up to 14.320, right into a special event station calling CQ on 14.319.

OK, back to the rest of this Sunday's regularly scheduled IRL activities...

Pretty much the same here Alan. Maybe others have "long weekend" plans with Monday and all. You were 5 DB over S9 on the end fed half wave /grape arbor and though I could hear you on the underground loop...ready for it.....your signal was MUDDY.
No signals heard on 14.310 except the over powered,over compressed signals from 14.313.

Great test and the EASY antenna , the end fed half wave (just 74 feet of wire at 8 feet up) is really standind tall as an antenna to use.

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Re: 40m NVIS for this coming Sunday
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2014, 05:32:44 PM »
Again tomorrow!  Here's the sched:

40m: 1pm CDT / 1800 Zulu, 7.250 MHz (LSB).  If there's interference, step up by 2.5 kHz until we get out of the muck.

20m: 1:30 CDT / 18:30 Zulu, 14.310 MHz (USB).  If there's interference, step up to 14.320, then step from 2.5 kHz from there.

Be there or be square.