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13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« on: April 03, 2013, 10:01:00 AM »
One of my 13 Skills this year is to get my concealled carry weapons permit.    It has been quite a journey and education so far.   Thought I'd start this thread so folks could comment on thier experiences doing this.   Seems to be a popular skill choice, ranking #5 as of this post.




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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 10:13:25 AM »


I'll start off by saying I decided to do this in the summer of 2012.   My girlfriend and I wanted to do this together and I was all for it.   I've have discussed the ins and outs of doing this as a couple in the "Flip that Spouse" thread.

We took our required education class on March 3, 2013.   A long, cold day but interesting nonetheless.   I called the local sheriff the very next day, who will only take applications by appointment.   Today, I finally got to drop off my application.   By state law they have 45 days to complete the background check and issue the license.

Things I've learned so far...

  • far too many politics involved in this
  • my county sheriff supports the Brady Campaign, if that tells you what I'm dealing with
  • education fulfillment is just "busy work", mandated I'm sure for a good reason, but just turns into a $$ thing
  • doing this as a "couple's activity" is fun, but be prepared to deal with your significant other's hesitations
  • choosing to purchase a carry gun at this point in time is not only expensive, but you are limited on choices

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 01:20:47 PM »
I take it WV is a "may issue" state or if not then the process is at least different than other "shall issue" states.   Here in TX, you take the class, get your pics and prints, send them off to the state DPS and the local LEOs aren't involved so that simplifies the process.  Now once you are approved and start carrying, the next part of the  journey and a new education begins.  I don't know you or your proficiency level so this is not meant as an offense, but if you haven't already, I would strongly suggest taking training beyond the state required courses.  Depending on skill level, something like safety and introductory handling on up to a basic "tactical" or "practical CCW".  The training can be a bit pricey but IMHO it is extremely valuable if you are serious about self defense.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 02:25:52 PM »
I take it WV is a "may issue" state or if not then the process is at least different than other "shall issue" states.   Here in TX, you take the class, get your pics and prints, send them off to the state DPS and the local LEOs aren't involved so that simplifies the process.  Now once you are approved and start carrying, the next part of the  journey and a new education begins.  I don't know you or your proficiency level so this is not meant as an offense, but if you haven't already, I would strongly suggest taking training beyond the state required courses.  Depending on skill level, something like safety and introductory handling on up to a basic "tactical" or "practical CCW".  The training can be a bit pricey but IMHO it is extremely valuable if you are serious about self defense.

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TNV,

West Virginia is a shall issue state.   In other counties it can be easier than in mine (Monongalia).  It depends a lot on your sheriff it seems, and the amount of folks applying.  The nice lady who took my app today showed me the overwhelming pile of paperwork she has.   

I was discussing this with a member of the WVCDL about a month ago.   They are upset that our sheriff is not using the application fees to hire more help to process these requests, which should speed up the background checks.   If the backlog is really due to the amount of applications, then the $75 per application should help offset the costs.

Anyway, thanks for the advice on training.   I am experienced with firearms.   I'm not experienced with carrying.   I would like to go back to the NRA instructor we had a month ago and take some more classes.   Any/all the range time you can get is important.  As I can afford it I certainly will continue with the education.   I get my time in on the range as I can, but ammo is the biggest hurdle.

I am also planning another Appleseed event this Spring.   Not that has to do with CCW, but it is a great day of learning and shooting.





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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2013, 02:36:45 PM »
I got my CCW a few years back, but started carrying this year.  I live in a "shall issue" state, where the only requirement is submitting to a background check, finger prints and cheek swab for DNA.
It's $50 every 5 years.  Zero classroom or other training requirements.

My original motivation was simply for logistical convenience.  CPL (concealed pistol license - which excludes knives, long guns, etc.) holders have no waiting period of FFL purchases, and have few restrictions for transport to and from shooting ranges.

What's perhaps most ironic, is I got my permit at the King County court house in downtown Seattle.  If you follow Heavy G. you know this is a liberal hot bed.
My wife went to our local city PD for her CPL, and had a much more involved process.  You'd think the smaller department on the edge of suburbia, would be easier than downtown.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2013, 03:42:40 PM »
I did mine years back in TX.  I did it the opposite of smurf hunter. I carried before there was a legal CHL program.  I am not fond of licensing for anything, but I did it anyway to avoid any legal hassle once it was legalized.  I guess day to day practicality won out over my principles.

Anyway, it was an 8 hr class and some range time for a proficiency test.  The proficiency test is basically a joke; if you can't pass I wouldn't want you carrying around me - LOL.  You can get enough points at 3 and 7 yards to pass.   It's a silhouette target.

3 yards, 20 rounds
    1 shot, 2 seconds, 5 times
    2 shots, 3 seconds, 5 times
    5 shots, 10 seconds, 1 time

7 yards, 20 rounds
    5 shots, 10 seconds, 1 time
    2 shots, 4 seconds, 1 time
    3 shots, 6 seconds, 1 time
    1 shot, 3 seconds, 5 times
    5 shots, 15 seconds, 1 time

15 yards, 10 rounds
    2 shots, 6 seconds, 1 time
    3 shots, 9 seconds, 1 time
    5 shots, 15 seconds, 1 time

I had to submit fingerprints and do a background check, but Texas is shall issue and I have no criminal history.  I'd prefer constitutional carry, but we're still working in that direction.  I'm hoping HB700 passes here so we have OC as an option as well.

As was already mentioned its really just a pay-to-play certification course, not a training course. 

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2013, 04:20:09 PM »
When we teach the class here in NC the main concern is making sure the students understand NC law as it pertains to CCH. Many students after finding out how many places they cannot carry get upset. It is then I tell them to get involved and not leave it up to others to decide when and where they can carry. There is also a shooting requirement as in many other states. It has now gotten to the point that most Sherriff dept. require you to make an appt. in order to do your paperwork. You used to be able to just walk in and get it done, but it now to the point that just getting the appt. can take up to 2 months. Then the Sherriff has 45 days to get you the permit AFTER your background check and checks of State mental facilities comes back.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 11:03:47 PM »
I got mine..six or seven years ago.  At the time, Iowa was a "May Issue" state and I lived in a "Red" county.  It was all but impossible to get a permit to carry (permit to carry weapons, includes all weapons legal in the state and concealed/open) unless you were a current or retired law enforcement of some kind.  Even then, all permits had a stamp on them that said (among other reasonable restrictions) you had to have at least $500 cash or business property on you and you couldn't carry in public buildings (something to that effect).  I was 21 or 22, was not law enforcement, and not a veteran.  I was a member of (then) IowaCarry.org.  Most important - I didn't want that stamp on my permit, what good is it if I have to have $500 in cash?  An entire paycheck wasn't even $500!

Before anything else, I went to the county clerk and asked to see very permit to carry for the county.  I was told they only do one at a time, if I wanted to see more than that I'd have to pay an hourly fee for taking the clerk's time.  I paid the fee, I sat for a few hours recording information (mostly age and justifications).  The list ended up not doing me much good, but the fact that I sat there for a while may have.

I had to fill out an application for the permit.  When I did that I had to state a justification.  Self defense is not a justification.  I threw in some legalese that sounded professional.  I had to have a sit down meeting with the sheriff.  During this meeting he asked why I wanted a permit to carry, asked if I was a collector, asked if I thought someone was after me, etc.  He's actually a reasonable guy, when I provided solid arguments he didn't dismiss them.  When I put it forward that it's my right, he didn't turn me away.

I had to write a letter, explaining my knowledge of the laws regarding carrying weapons and the laws regarding deadly force in the Iowa Code.  In that letter I also had to provide references to my shooting abilities.  I had some pretty good references.  The letter was two pages long.

After he accepted the letter I was put on a waiting list.  In my county only the sheriff's department's class was accepted for the permit.  It took several months to get enough people on the list to put on the class.

The class was two days, one day classroom one day range, basic and easy stuff.

Three days later I got my permit.  There were I believe two other members of IowaCarry.org that went through the class with me.  After this, "demonstrated responsibility" became an acceptable justification on the application.  The whole process took about 8 months.  A couple/few years later the state went "Shall Issue" - I like to think largely with the help of IowaCarry.org (now Iowa Firearms Coalition).

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 07:50:09 AM »
We got ours again since letting it laps.  Process Go to main cop shop  fill out paperwork up stairs pay down stairs sign papers up stairs go behind screen for finger printing 20 minute process.  Wait for card in the mail.   3 weeks later maybe less card arrives laminate it and put in purse/ wallet.   Done.  WA is easy.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 08:21:04 AM »
We got ours again since letting it laps.  Process Go to main cop shop  fill out paperwork up stairs pay down stairs sign papers up stairs go behind screen for finger printing 20 minute process.  Wait for card in the mail.   3 weeks later maybe less card arrives laminate it and put in purse/ wallet.   Done.  WA is easy.

Almost as simple as Indiana

Fill out form
Go get digital fingerprint
Send in info
wait for card. (card times when we did it was 4-6 weeks is now 4-6 mo due to so many getting recently)

Bonus, we have 4 year License or lifetime for 30 bucks more. Wife and I got lifetime. Think total cost $150ish after taxes, local fees, fingerprint fee etc.

Added bonus with sprinkles. Indina is mute on OC vs CC. so we can do either at our convenience. A few limited places you are banned from carring (schools, casino, federal buildings, school bus, aircraft and during state fair - now that one was odd) everywhere else is fine.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 01:17:08 PM »
I just applied for mine, All I had to have was a safety certificate or dd214 (I'm a vet) notary to stamp all the paper work and turn it in.

When I had everything together I walked into the county clerks office (on a Tuesday after lunch when they aren't busy) she checked the paperwork and my I'd. I paid the $50 and was told it would take 2-4 weeks and walked out 6 minutes later  ;D

Now I wait

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 12:51:48 PM »
I am now an official card carrying, pistol packin', gun lovin',  hillbilly heathen.   Woo hoo!

After months of back and forth with my girl friend, finally taking the required education, and my sheriff's department managing to stretch a 45 day mandatory turnaround into 73 days...I FINALLY have my CCW!

I told the lady at the sheriff's office, it feels almost as good as when I was 16, getting my driver's license.  A sense of freedom and responsibility I could only imagine until now.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 01:38:55 PM »
I am now an official card carrying, pistol packin', gun lovin',  hillbilly heathen.   Woo hoo!

After months of back and forth with my girl friend, finally taking the required education, and my sheriff's department managing to stretch a 45 day mandatory turnaround into 73 days...I FINALLY have my CCW!

I told the lady at the sheriff's office, it feels almost as good as when I was 16, getting my driver's license.  A sense of freedom and responsibility I could only imagine until now.
Congrats!

I suggest a similar pledge that I made to myself:  Take one course per year with a professional instructor.  I'm so grateful I started this back in 2009.  Not only have I developed improved skills, it has kept me and my family safer.  Everyone gets complacent with time, so having an instructor there looking over your shoulder, watching where you place your finger, watching you draw, watching how you reholster your weapon; that's priceless feedback on stuff that's too easy to get lazy on.  Even if it's just a one day NRA basic handgun class, it pays to have a second set of eyes on you every once in a while.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 08:48:55 AM »


I just realized that I have been carrying concealed for just over a year!   Man how time flies by.   I'm so glad I did this.  All and all 2013 was a pretty crappy year for me, but this is certainly a shining moment for me :).

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2014, 09:34:21 AM »
Pennsylvania - super easy. Fill out the form (listing 2 references not related to you), pay $20 and submit to your local county sheriff. Once you're approved they'll mail you a notification to come in and pick it up. They take your picture and issue you the photo ID which is good for 5 years.  My references were never contacted and there is no class to take. They are required to turn it around within 45 days (mine took about 25). And finally self defense is a valid reason to carry.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 10:10:15 AM »
ugh - my permit expires next year.  Need to mail $5 to the state next spring.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2014, 12:41:04 PM »
Yikes, VA sounds easy: $50 (depending on county, can be cheaper in some counties) and a certificate (can be an online class) mailed with the form to the Clerk of the Court. Good for 5 years.

I joined the WVCDL mailing list since we live so close to your state, MSP. VCDL member of course.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 12:49:21 PM »
Yikes, VA sounds easy: $50 (depending on county, can be cheaper in some counties) and a certificate (can be an online class) mailed with the form to the Clerk of the Court. Good for 5 years.

I joined the WVCDL mailing list since we live so close to your state, MSP. VCDL member of course.

Cool, keep us posted on your progress.   WV and VA should have reciprocity.   WV just relaxed the carry laws some for people in the field.   Used to be you had to have a hunting license, regardless of if you had a CCW or not.   Now, you just have to have a CCW...and from what I understand...it MUST be concealed in the field.   If you open carry out in the woods, you should be licensed for hunting, and have the appropriate side arm for hunting.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 01:05:19 PM »
Oh I've had my VA CHP for a while now. Yeah Virginia has been fighting the carrying-while-hunting battle. You can carry a handgun for self defense while hunting as long as you have a CHP, doesn't matter if it's concealed or open, so long as you have your concealed permit. Sigh. Open carry is legal with no permit so there really is no sense in requiring a permit to open carry while hunting...

If you haven't checked out West Virginia Citizen's Defense League, you should.  WVCDL.org

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2014, 05:28:31 PM »
Getting a license in Mississippi is really easy too.  Download a form from the web, fill it out, sign it in front of a notary, have passport photos made, and truck down to a designated DMV office with all of the above plus about $140 in hand.  They were remarkably efficient and friendly there, with only a 20 minute wait to hand it all in, and another half-hour wait for the fingerprint guy to get back from lunch.  Got the license in the mail about three weeks later, once the state had done a criminal background check.  Took care all of that about a year and a half ago.

Mississippi is unique in that it has two levels of concealed carry, "regular" and "enhanced."  The regular license has a long list of no-carry areas – schools, churches, etc. – while the enhanced license shortens the list to police stations, court rooms, prisons, and "places of nuisance" (i.e., whorehouses).  Federal buildings are of course still no-go, but that's pretty much nationwide.  The enhanced license requirements are the same as above, plus an eight hour training session at a state-certified gun school.  Upon completion, you receive a certificate to take back down to the DMV, where an officer looks things over and puts a sticker on the back of your existing license.  That process took all of 15 minutes, and I wrapped it all up last summer.

There's a wonderful kernel of truth in the way Mississippi laws lumps together police, judges, and prostitutes for equal protection under its concealed carry laws.  However, I am not sure that the legislature intended it in quite that way. ;)

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2014, 08:01:24 PM »
@ResidentCelt
I guess the open carry while afield assumes your a hunter here in WV, hence the CCW will at least keep you from having to buy the hunting license.   For me, it isn't really an impact because I'm buying my hunting license with my pistol permit.   Only thing is, if i have it open it must match the guidelines for hunting.   In other words, I can't be open carrying a .380 because that is not a "valid" hunting pistol.   But if I have my .44 on my side, no problem.   Either way I'm covered.

@Alan Georges
Nice that Mississippi has and easy road to carry.   WV for the most part is easy, however, I got mine last year, starting the process in February 2013 with my handgun safety class.   That was right after the CT shooting and there were a flood of applications.   So the wait was every bit of the maximum 45 days.   Interesting that you have 2 types of licenses.  Here it is just one.  Carry anywhere basically, except government buildings (courthouse, sheriff, DMV, etc etc) and the post office.  Any private places posting it you shouldn't carry, but worst that can happen is they ask you to leave.   Take the Target stores for instance, they clearly dont want me carrying.   Fine by me, I clearly don't want to spend my money there.

Funny thing, first time I walked into church carrying I felt weird.  Same going to the bank!   :)


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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2014, 07:21:08 AM »
Interesting that you have 2 types of licenses.  Here it is just one.  Carry anywhere basically, except government buildings (courthouse, sheriff, DMV, etc etc) and the post office.
I think MS is the only state with this.  I kind of like it (as much as I can ever like having to get a license for effective self-defense  >:(), in that it is trivial to get the basic license.

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Funny thing, first time I walked into church carrying I felt weird.  Same going to the bank!   :)
Yeah!  It's kind of like starting to carry a wallet or a pocket knife when I was a kid, it feels all weird and way too grown-up.  Guess we're all getting to be responsible grown-ups around here. 8)

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2014, 02:39:59 PM »
Yeah the danger now is that it feels just like carrying a wallet. You might forget you're carrying until you're staring at a metal detector and suddenly realize you REALLY don't want to empty your pockets into that plastic tub.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2014, 03:12:49 PM »
Oregon allows open carry any time (except for the usual places ie government buildings and posted private property) and you can conceal carry without a license when traveling to and from fishing or hunting (as long as you don't make a stop in between).  That includes any caliber.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2014, 07:16:05 AM »
That Oregon law makes sense. If it's raining and I'm hunting, I don't want to be walking back to my truck with my pistol getting soaked. Virginia might have something like that. I know most of the gun laws but I don't hunt so I'm not as familiar with those nuances as I am with general carry.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2014, 12:05:03 PM »
I find it's hard to find a range that will let me practice pulling from a concealed holster.  They always say something like, "Insurance purposes."  The reality is I think they get freaked out when they see me pulling from an inside the pant holster, and putting lead down range at a target.  Does anybody else get this at the range?  I practice at home sometimes using an airsoft and the same holster in the basement to stay in practice.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2014, 01:33:52 PM »
I find it's hard to find a range that will let me practice pulling from a concealed holster.  They always say something like, "Insurance purposes."  The reality is I think they get freaked out when they see me pulling from an inside the pant holster, and putting lead down range at a target.  Does anybody else get this at the range?  I practice at home sometimes using an airsoft and the same holster in the basement to stay in practice.

Only rule my range has, it must remain holstered until you reach the firing line.  Otherwise you have to follow all other safety rules during a ceasefire, etc.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2014, 09:30:59 AM »
The range I go to only says no cross-body draw, like a shoulder holster or something where the pistol would be pointed somewhere other than down or downrange.

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Re: 13 Skills -- Your CCW experience
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2014, 09:41:53 AM »
I think its sort of a waste of time if you can't pull from a holster or my fannypack.  Sure I get practice with the accuracy thing, but as far as defense situations target shooting is almost worthless.

In Michigan we call it CPL Concealed Pistol License, and its real basic, some class and range time.  The instructor is a firearms instructor, and ran us through some scenarious of self defense.  He also hit on the legal requirements.