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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2019, 04:46:37 PM »
There's no way common folk can figure out who to believe in the NRA mess.
Maybe if one of us become a board member........ ::)

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2019, 05:22:03 PM »
There's no way common folk can figure out who to believe in the NRA mess.
Maybe if one of us become a board member........ ::)

There's now way common folk can figure out who to believe about anything political and don't say the NRA isn't political. Becoming a board member won't help.

Sorry that's the way I see things.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #92 on: May 30, 2019, 01:52:31 PM »
https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-membership-dues-contributions-rebounded-in-2018/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
NRA Membership Dues, Contributions Rebounded In 2018

The National Rifle Association of America and its associated groups saw a sizable increase of both membership dues and contributions in 2018, according to the group's annual report.

The report, which was handed out during the group's latest annual meeting, shows dues went from $128,209,303 in 2017 to $170,391,374 in 2018—an increase of $42,182,071, or 33 percent. It also shows contributions rose from $132,879,299 in 2017 to $165,075,288 in 2018—an increase of $32,195,989 or 24 percent. The rise in dues came ahead of the NRA announcing it had reached 5.5 million members, a record number.

Overall, the NRA and its affiliates brought in $412,233,508 in 2018. That's up from $378,122,489 in 2017. In total, the group's revenue rose $34,111,019 or 9 percent. The numbers represent a clear resurgence of funding for the gun-rights group during 2018. Membership dues even topped those the group saw in 2016—$163,517,961.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2019, 04:25:05 PM »
WaPo: NRA money flowed to board members amid allegedly lavish spending by top officials and vendors

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Tax experts said the numerous payments to certain NRA directors create potential conflicts of interest that could cloud the board’s independent monitoring of the organization’s finances.


“In 25 years of working in this field, I have never seen a pattern like this,” said Douglas Varley, a Washington attorney at Caplin & Drysdale who specializes in tax-exempt organizations and reviewed the NRA’s federal and state filings from 2016 through 2018 for The Washington Post. “The volume of transactions with insiders and affiliates of insiders is really astonishing.”


Varley said he did not see any apparent violations of the law, and noted that the NRA, for the most part, appeared to have properly disclosed the payments.
“But the pattern raises a threshold question of who the organization is serving,” he said. “Is it being run for the benefit of the gun owners in the country and the public? Or is it being run as a business generating enterprise for officers and employees of the organization?”

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2019, 08:30:51 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-nras-finances-deepening-debt-increased-spending-on-legal-fees--and-cuts-to-gun-training/2019/06/14/ac9dc488-8e30-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00477cd667ef

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The records show that the NRA froze its pension plan for employees at the end of last year, a move that saved it close to $13 million, and obtained a $28 million line of credit by borrowing against its Virginia headquarters.

Despite that, the nonprofit group, four affiliated charities and its political committee together ended the year $10.8 million in the red. In 2017, the six groups ended the year with a $1.1 million shortfall.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2019, 09:21:11 PM »
And the Washington Post is compleatly unbiased?   Our established media has been losing money left and right since the internet became a better source of news and a better place to advertize.  The failing media has been bought up by a handful of billionairs who don't care if they lose money.  They use the media to push their globalist, socialist agenda.  The Washington Post and Jeff Bezos are the perfect example of this.  They are not going to get to bring about a "new world order" unless they can disarm the American citizen. The NRA is the most effective orginization at stoping this.  I am also mad at some of the dumb things the NRA is doing, but the reason they get attacked by the left is they are effective.

If the NRA is gone then we will have gun confiscation. After this US soverenty is given to the UN in the name of stopping global warming or something stupid.  Redistribution of income from the developed world and the productive class to disfunctional socialist countries, and the lazy pot heads is next.  Control of the internet and the media means that anyone who protest this will be labeled a Nazi, racist, who uses hate speech by the controled media and tech billionaires.  People will have their careers ruined because they are opposed to having an intact, 6 foot tall, 200 pound biological male who is confused about his gender compete in sports with a 100 poound 15 year old girl.  And if you are opposed to him showering with your 15 year old daughter after the competition then you are destroyed by this same media.  If you want immigration laws enforced to prevent your community being overwhelmed by unskilled, uneducated, non- english speaking central americans, who are going to get the vote and then vote to give your money to the government, so it can be given back to them as welfare then you should oppose the NRA.  After the NRA is gone then if will be easy to do all this.  If you can flip Texas like they flipped California with massive immigration then the Republicians will never win anouther election. Then we get the green new deal, agenda 51, income redistribution, Christian persucution, and you won’t be able to do anything about it because you bought the Washington Post story about how the NRA is bad.  If you think I'm wrong then look at what is happening in Europe.

This is why you keep your NRA membership.  Fight to change the NRA if you want to fire current leadership and get them to focus on protecting your rights.  Get rid of the NRA and we are hosed.  When we lose the second ammendment the USA is toast.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2019, 09:57:19 PM »
WaPo:  NRA sidelines its top lobbyist, Chris Cox, in latest sign of internal turmoil

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The National Rifle Association has sidelined its top lobbyist, Chris Cox, after accusing him in court documents of participating in what it called a failed extortion scheme to rid the organization of its top executive.

Cox, the NRA’s second-in-command and leader of its powerful political arm, was placed on administrative leave after the organization filed a lawsuit Wednesday in New York against former NRA president Oliver North, who resigned in April after accusing the NRA of exorbitant spending.

Chief executive Wayne LaPierre has accused North of attempting to extort the group. In its new suit, the NRA accused Cox of participating in a “conspiracy” with North.

NRA officials on Thursday confirmed Cox has been suspended, declining to comment further.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #97 on: June 20, 2019, 10:06:45 PM »
WaEx:  Chaos at the NRA

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It all appears to have started in January when, according to the Wall Street Journal, the NRA’s top outside counsel, William Brewer, gave a presentation to board members about concerns that newly-elected New York Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, would investigate and try to break up the gun rights group. James was openly hostile toward it during her campaign and referred to it as a “terrorist organization” in an interview with Ebony magazine.

With a looming threat of investigation by the NRA’s charter state, some in its leadership began to scrutinize its business relationship with Ackerman McQueen, its largest contractor, that accounted for $40 million of NRA spending in 2017. Ackerman and the NRA had enjoyed a decadeslong relationship. Ackerman was reportedly responsible for not only creating and running NRATV but also developing its most iconic commercials and messaging. Top executives Angus and Revan McQueen are Brewer’s father-in-law and brother-in-law, respectively.

The group was behind everything from the “I am the NRA" ads, NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre’s declaration that “the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” and Charlton Heston’s famous ultimatum that the only way anyone would take his guns would be “from my cold, dead hands.” It also runs one of the NRA’s magazines, America's 1st Freedom, and provides logistics for its massive annual meetings and leadership forum.

Much of what the average person knows about the NRA was created by Ackerman.

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Unfortunately for all involved, and gun rights supporters at large, it will be months before we know what will come of the Ackerman lawsuits, the New York investigation, and how those ordeals will affect the NRA’s ability to spend money in elections or on lobbying. What is clear, however, is just how much is at stake.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2019, 04:59:18 PM »
Chris Cox officially resigned as the No. 2 executive at the NRA today. 

Also announced, NRATV production is shutting down.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2019, 05:04:41 PM »
Hopefully they can get their shit together.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #100 on: July 02, 2019, 03:16:08 PM »
NYT:  N.R.A. Donor Directs a Revolt Against a ‘Radioactive’ Leader

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David Dell’Aquila, the restive donor, said the N.R.A.’s internal warfare “has become a daily soap opera and it’s decaying and destroying the N.R.A. from within, and it needs to stop.” He added, “Even if these allegations regarding Mr. LaPierre and his leadership are false, he has become radioactive and must step down.”

Until that happens, Mr. Dell’Aquila, a retired technology consultant who has given roughly $100,000 to the N.R.A. in cash and gifts, said he would suspend donations — including his pledge of the bulk of an estate worth several million dollars.

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But a second prominent donor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is a senior firearms industry executive, said he was also suspending a plan to give more than $2 million from his estate, as well as halting other donations, and was backing Mr. Dell’Aquila’s effort.

“The donors are rebelling,” the executive said, adding that he believed that the leadership turmoil was “helping to destroy, temporarily, the strength of the N.R.A. as one of the strongest lobbying groups.”

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #101 on: July 02, 2019, 07:32:53 PM »
pretty tired of their publications, they're supposed to be about shooting and firearms but are mostly political rant. Like preaching to the choir on steroids.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2019, 06:01:40 PM »
https://www.thegunwriter.com/24792/nra-director-joel-friedman-setting-the-record-straight/

NRA Director Joel Friedman: ‘Setting the Record Straight’ http://
BY LEE WILLIAMS ON   JULY 24, 2019 GUEST COLUMNS

Lee’s note: Joel Freidman is a member of the National Rifle Association’s board of directors. His letter arrived unsolicited and is published with permission.

Setting the Record Straight

While I have wanted to speak out concerning the situation at the NRA, I have not due to the amount of litigation that has been ongoing, as well as my belief in the fiduciary responsibilities of a board member and trustee. However, I feel strongly about our mission to protect the Second Amendment, and while I may be maligned by some for sharing my thoughts, I can no longer remain silent.

I am not a Johnny-come-lately. I have been involved in the firearm rights movement for over 30 years, primarily at the grassroots level in California. I have gotten hard, calloused hands from my work, and I’m proud of it. I have been on the NRA Board of Directors since 2004 and served on various committees.

I would like to begin by discussing how we, the NRA, got to where we are today. After the election of Donald Trump – an election in which the NRA played a key role in securing his victory – the other side determined that they must find a way to neutralize, if not completely destroy, our Association in an attempt to win back Congress, the White House, and to destroy firearms’ freedoms as we know them today.

Funding for this anti-NRA campaign comes from people whose net worth is more than 11 figures. Their interest income alone from a month or two is so much greater than the entire budget of the NRA. For you and me, it is hard to conceive of such wealth.

Through the talents of those they hired, these people are working to destroy the reputation of the NRA – and attack our not-for-profit status. As we know, ongoing investigations by the attorneys general in New York and Washington D.C. have caused the NRA to use more resources for legal help than anyone could have ever imagined. But it is a battle we must fight based on our commitment to good governance. Losing our not-for-profit status would put the NRA out of business. I fear it would also lead to a repeal of the Second Amendment.

Beyond this critical fight, we also are waging a battle that could impact advocacy organizations across our nation. Our First Amendment lawsuit against New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) is so significant that the ACLU has filed an amicus brief in support of the Association.

The NRA contends that Governor Cuomo and DFS are trying to coerce banks and insurance companies to withhold services from the NRA as retaliation for our political advocacy. If New York is successful in violating the NRA’s First Amendment rights, then every advocacy group in this country is at risk. We cannot allow politicians to determine who should and should not be in business because of their political or religious views.

In the face of orchestrated campaigns and legal disputes, the NRA has made tough decisions – demanding, among other things, increased transparency from its vendors. Most complied, but not all.

After 38 years of working hand-in-hand with the NRA, it is MY BELIEF that one of our vendors attempted to take over NRA leadership in order to preserve its own lucrative contracts. It is also MY BELIEF that this vendor had, for some time, believed that the NRA’s entire success was due to its efforts alone.

For more information on this, I encourage you to read the NRA’s lawsuit filed against Col. North. You will see what was done, and what was attempted, by this vendor.

As we know, the takeover attempt failed. Subsequently, as threatened, certain documents were leaked online with an aim to make NRA top management and board members look bad.

When tens of millions of dollars are on the line, some people will do extraordinary things.

I know there have been comments from certain individuals about how much money the NRA is “wasting” using its current legal firm. I bring to you a quote from Mr. Harlon Carter, creator of ILA and someone who brought the NRA into the political fight that would be necessary to preserve the Second Amendment.

He said, “I’ll spend every dime the NRA has to protect the Second Amendment.” Ladies and gentlemen, the NRA is in a fight for its life right now.

For those who have had negative things to say about the law firm representing us, I ask one simple question: Name one thing the firm has done that has hurt the NRA? Thus far, no one has been able to answer that question. The reality is, the firm has continuously moved the ball forward and pulled off improbable and extraordinary victories, while handling multiple cases on multiple playing fields.

With regard to the allegations made against Wayne LaPierre – brought forward in conjunction with the failed takeover attempt – I would like to remind everyone that he has given his life to the NRA and to the protection of the Second Amendment. Over the years, he excelled in every position he held and was finally elected as Executive Vice President (EVP) in 1991. During his tenure as EVP, the NRA grew from an anemic less-than-two-million-member association into a more than five-million-member powerhouse.

From his days as an NRA lobbyist to now, Wayne has played a pivotal role in our greatest accomplishments. For instance, when we kept the Gun Control Act of 1968 from taking your guns. When we lost on the “assault weapon ban,” but were smart enough to push for a 10-year sunset clause that expired. When we passed the ’86 Firearm Owners Protection Act. We stopped excessive waiting periods and one-a-month purchase schemes. The NRA led the fight to increase carry states from three to more than 40. Consider the NRA’s growth, under Wayne, from a standpoint of influence, finance and power.

Some claim his time has passed. I disagree. Wayne is still guiding the NRA faithfully, strategically and correctly through the most difficult time in its 150-year history. And after over four decades, Wayne knows more people, has more insight, and garners more respect than anyone I know. His absence alone would create problems not only for the NRA, but for the defense of the Second Amendment.

I want to directly address all the “lavish” spending that Wayne has been accused of.

Over the last 15 years, he has done hundreds of media interviews, campaign commercials, and attended thousands of events in promotion of the NRA and the Second Amendment. His wardrobe expenditures were directed by Ackerman McQueen. The agency invoiced the NRA for the clothing as a business expense.

During that same period, Wayne was responsible for helping to raise $300-400 million annually, or $25-33 million a month. But for discussion purposes only, let’s say that Wayne, through his direct involvement in speeches and media appearances, helped raise roughly $8 million a month (that’s 25%). That translates in 15 years to $1.5 billion. In that circumstance, the money spent on clothes is miniscule – not to mention the number of people this money helped elect who have stood by us and helped us save the Second Amendment.

Now, go and check other large associations in the hundred(s) million-dollar world and see what their CEO is getting in total renumerations. The truth is, Mr. Wayne LaPierre is one of the most underpaid people in the giant trade and interest group world by percentage.

Now let’s talk about the trips. These trips were to secure and interact with both donors and high-profile individuals and to arrange for the donation of firearms. Do you think the NRA’s high-profile supporters magically appear to support our cause?  Do you think that this happens overnight?  That is what Wayne and only Wayne is able to do based on his reputation.

So the idea that his time has passed and it’s time for him to leave is probably the single largest mistake anyone can make. Everyone should not only be thankful, but should pray for his continued good health and dedication. This man has received more death threats than almost anyone else on the planet. For Pete’s sake – Google it – it’s public knowledge – Wayne LaPierre was “swatted!”  He and his family have been targeted in more ways than anyone can imagine.

Let us discuss what some of the anti-NRA, anti-Wayne people are saying, “I don’t know what’s going on but …”

Now to be fair, that’s because they don’t know, and they can’t know the details because of the lawsuits as well as the New York investigation. Therefore, isn’t it ludicrous for anyone to make decisions and proclamations after admitting they’re ignorant of the facts.

I ask you to consider this for a moment – do you think that there’s anyone better equipped to guide the NRA during these challenging times?  The neophytes who are agitating would get their clocks cleaned in about 2 hours!  Even our former chief lobbyist – as talented as he may be – wouldn’t be able to navigate this.  Let’s face it – the reason the opposition wants Wayne gone is because they know without him, it’s easier to take down the NRA.  And, now, we have some so-called pro-gun types naively joining the chorus!

The last part of my message has to do with the concept that the NRA is wasting its money and there is no oversight.  Not only do we have a Treasurer’s department, we have a finance committee overseeing the organization, and we have an audit committee.  We are all under such a microscope that I personally have been refused payments for expenses I have incurred because I only had credit card statements and not the actual receipts. This idea that the board and top management are ripping off the organization is just another attempt to separate us and to neuter our ability to do the job we need to do in 2020, which is to protect the rights of firearm owners in America. No one else can do it, and if we all don’t stick together and stop letting the haters and the media drive us apart, the anti-gunners will win.

You don’t believe me? In an article from The Hill, “Democrats Look to Capitalize on Turmoil Inside the NRA,” dated July 23, 2019, Democratic members of congress claim that we are plagued by “internal problems” and state, “Now’s the time to capitalize on that.”

Kris Brown, president of the Brady Campaign, states, “Given the series of self-inflicted wounds that they have, which are draining significantly diminished resources at a significant rate, yes, it’s obviously a time for us really to focus on pushing candidates and pushing this issue.”

I believe many are fueling the exact false and inaccurate narrative driven by our adversaries – dividing us in a manner that weakens the Association and strengthens our enemies. We must not posture our adversaries for success. Doing so supports them in their aim is to take away our constitutional freedoms.

In closing, please allow me to say that we truly appreciate that the majority of our members are committed to the NRA – and its fight to protect the Second Amendment.  We appreciate that they, like us, trust that we’ll prevail over these orchestrated attacks.

The stakes are higher than they have ever been.  It is time to come together – united and committed in support of the NRA and the constitutional freedoms in which we all believe.

Joel Friedman

NRA Board Member

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2019, 07:22:57 PM »

That's a good read, and about the only one I believe coming out of the NRA.

Thanks for posting

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #104 on: August 06, 2019, 09:39:36 PM »
WaPo:  Documents show NRA discussions to purchase luxury mansion for its chief executive to use

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The discussions about the roughly $6 million purchase, which was not completed, are now under scrutiny by New York investigators. The transaction was slated to be made through a corporate entity that received a wire of tens of thousands of dollars from the NRA in 2018, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

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One property that was considered, according to an individual familiar with the plans, was a 10,000-square-foot French country estate with lakefront and golf course views.

The four-bedroom, nine-bath home in a gated golf course community, northwest of Dallas, resembles a French chateau, with a stately boxwood-lined drive, a formal courtyard, vaulted ceilings and an antique marble fireplace, according to its online real estate listing.

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New York attorney Daniel Kurtz, an expert in nonprofit law, said such a home purchase could have violated New York charity law, which requires all transactions benefiting the group’s insiders to be “fair, reasonable and in the corporation’s best interest.”

“There’s no way they could defend a $6 million house for the chief executive as reasonable,” Kurtz said. “This is like the worst kind of corporate waste because buying the house does nothing to advance the interests of the NRA. How can you explain that? It’s not like he’s been underpaid.”


Because you can't expect a guy with a $1+ million salary to foot the bill for his own mansion and those fancy Beverly Hills suits. 

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2019, 06:50:42 AM »
Worth every penny.  :clap:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/08/20/trump-stopped-calling-for-very-meaningful-background-checks-on-guns-after-talking-to-the-head-of-the-nra/23797570/
Trump 'retreats' on gun control after talking to head of the NRA

Following his talks with NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre and gun rights activists, President Donald Trump struck a different tone on potential gun regulations in the weeks after two mass shootings.
The NRA reportedly launched a campaign to contact lawmakers in the wake of the back-to-back El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, shootings on August 3-4.
Trump also personally spoke to LaPierre multiple times, according to several news reports earlier this month.
The shift comes after Trump signaled he was willing to broach the topic of universal background checks.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-goes-dark-on-gun-control-after-pledging-background-checks-like-weve-never-had-before
RINSE, WASH, RETREAT
After Mass Shootings, Trump Loses Interest in Gun Control: ‘He’s Started to Move On,’ Official Says


It’s been roughly half a month since dual mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, forced the president, his administration, and Capitol Hill lawmakers into yet another debate about gun control. And in those short weeks, Donald Trump has already started to pump the brakes on his support for background checks legislation the likes of which, he said, “we’ve never had before.”

“He’s started to move on,” a White House official conceded, adding that they haven’t heard the president discussing the topic in recent days with the same urgency or frequency that punctuated the immediate aftermath of the high-profile shootings. “If it were up to the president, he’d do background checks today. But that’s not how it works, and he loses patience [quickly].”
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In case there was any confusion, Trump added: “Look, I've had a great relationship with the [National Rifle Association], and I will always have a great relationship. I've been very good for the NRA.”

Though the gun rights lobby finds itself in a state of internal turmoil, its influence has not waned on the Hill or within the West Wing. The group staunchly opposes ongoing efforts to expand background checks, and quickly jumped on the phone with Trump to restate that position in the wake of the two recent mass murders. Since then, more conservative voices, including figures closely aligned with Trump, have signalled their disapproval with far-reaching legislation favored by Democratic lawmakers.
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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2019, 07:22:53 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458169-trump-called-nra-chief-to-tell-him-universal-background-checks-are
Trump called NRA chief to tell him universal background checks are off the table: report

President Trump called National Rifle Association (NRA) CEO Wayne LaPierre on Tuesday to tell him that universal background checks for gun purchases are off the table, The Atlantic reported.
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"He was cementing his stance that we already have background checks and that he's not waffling on this anymore," a source told The Atlantic with regard to Trump's phone call with LaPierre on Tuesday. "He doesn't want to pursue it."

Trump told LaPierre that he instead wanted to focus on "increasing funding" for mental health care and directing attorneys general across the country to start prosecuting "gun crime" through federal firearms charges from the Justice Department, according to The Atlantic.


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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #107 on: August 21, 2019, 11:25:58 AM »
Or maybe not.

Reuters, 8/21/19: Trump says he will push to close background check loopholes for gun buys

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U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday his administration would seek to fill in background check loopholes for gun purchases after Democrats accused him of reversing course on gun control measures.

Trump spoke with the leader of the National Rifle Association lobbying group, Wayne LaPierre, on Tuesday, a White House official said. Trump told reporters outside the White House he did not tell LaPierre, whose group strongly opposes increased gun restrictions, he would avoid pursuing measures on background checks. ...

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2019, 12:31:34 PM »
Or maybe not.

Reuters, 8/21/19: Trump says he will push to close background check loopholes for gun buys

Read Trump's quotes.  This is exactly what NRA said.  That Trump will not support universal background checks but will work to fix problems with existing checks- the "Fix NICS" legislation the NRA supports.  Just shows how the media is either unknowledgeable or deceptive in their reporting.  One can be against the draconian universal gun check law but be for trying to at least get some value out of the check system which we pay a fortune to maintain.

“We’re working on background checks. There are things we can do. But we already have very serious background checks. We have strong background checks. We can close up the gaps. We can do things that are very good and things that frankly gun owners want to have done,” Trump said.

“We have background checks but there are loopholes in the background checks. And that’s what I spoke to the NRA about yesterday. They want to get rid of the loopholes as well as I do. At the same time, I don’t want to take away people’s Second Amendment rights,” Trump added later.

This all came about by walking him through the incidents:

"Three NRA officials told me they’ve focused their efforts in the past week on walking Trump through nearly 40 mass shootings in which the gunmen obtained their firearms legally. “Once he understood” that universal background checks would not have prevented many of these massacres, according to the first former senior White House official, “the temperature changed.” They were heartened, then, to hear Trump tell the crowd at his rally in Manchester, New Hampshire, last Thursday that gun violence was mainly a “mental-illness problem” and that “it is not the gun that pulls the trigger; it is the person holding the gun.”"
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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2019, 04:59:59 PM »
Background on check gaps: https://youtu.be/JLTMkg1RLW0

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2019, 06:56:29 PM »
Some contiguous video footage released by CBS, not cut up like CNN and AP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmymcryQXjw

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #111 on: August 22, 2019, 08:26:49 AM »
Heck, it is worth the membership due just to watch the anti-gun Vox staff go into spasms.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/8/21/20826511/trump-background-checks-nra-el-paso-dayton-shootings
Trump echoes NRA talking points, showing that “background checks” talk was all a charade

What a difference two weeks makes. During a Q&A session with reporters on Wednesday, Trump completely reversed himself, saying, “We already have strong background checks.”

He also portrayed the National Rifle Association — which spent $30 million to elect him — as something akin to a co-equal branch of government, and echoed NRA talking points by expressing concern that any new gun control measures would be “a slippery slope.”

Pressed by a reporter on how his talking point about “a slippery slope” mimics the NRA’s preferred language on gun control, he added, “No. It’s a Trump talking point ... we have a Second Amendment and our Second Amendment will remain strong.”

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #112 on: August 22, 2019, 11:43:50 AM »
I am a life member, it is important to be a member for many reasons, not least to show high numbers so that the part of the population and leadership that wants to restrict gun rights knows how many of us there are.  Now, it is also a very good idea to support your local groups, for example in California we have https://crpa.org/   the california rifle and pistol association.  SO, they are good to work on the local political issues whearas NRA legislative sub group, a seperate organization ( https://www.nraila.org/ ) does that nationally.  But, the regular NRA is something like $25/year and is not doing the political donations, but what a small price to pay to show those large numbers of members nationally.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #113 on: September 16, 2019, 12:55:32 PM »
Good news.  NRA Political Victory Fund raised near record amounts this year mainly through small donations.  This is critical as the NRA is the only pro-gun group with a PAC able to support candidates directly like this. For first half of year they have raised two times what largest anti-gun Giffords PAC did.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-fundraising-remains-strong-in-2019/
NRA PAC Fundraising Remains Strong in 2019
$6.7 million raised through the first half of the year


The National Rifle Association's political action committee raised more funds in the first half of 2019 than gun control PACs did, filings show.

The NRA's committee, the National Rifle Association of America Political Victory Fund, hovered slightly below the fundraising levels it saw at this point during its record-breaking cycle of 2013-2014. The PAC pulled in a total of $21.9 million throughout that cycle. It raised $8.3 million from the start of the cycle through July 2013.

Through the first seven months of 2019, the NRA's PAC reported $6.7 million in contributions with multiple months surpassing $1 million in donations. An overwhelming majority of the PAC's money—$5.7 million—came from unitemized contributions, or small dollar donors who gave $200 or less to the committee. Individuals who contributed more than $200 to the PAC accounted for $970,000 of the PAC's totals.

The NRA's PAC pulled in more than twice the amount any gun control committee did so far this year. The Giffords PAC, for example, reports $3.3 million in receipts through July.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2019, 01:32:46 PM »
Awesome.

Now if they could straighten their internal shit out, it could be a lot more I would imagine. Probably lots of folks out there that are gun shy of the NRA because of the turmoil.

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2019, 02:54:10 PM »
Awesome.

Now if they could straighten their internal shit out, it could be a lot more I would imagine. Probably lots of folks out there that are gun shy of the NRA because of the turmoil.

Board meeting went very smooth this weekend.  A couple people tried to cause trouble but other members got them to calm down.  Key piece was replacement of legal head and notification that Supreme Court is going to hear New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. The City of New York (which is freakin huge).

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Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
« Reply #116 on: October 28, 2019, 02:09:01 PM »
More good news.  Small donor contributions have continued to skyrocket.  NRA will be in a great position to protect gun rights going into 2020 elections.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-fundraising-surges-again-after-dem-candidates-back-gun-confiscation/
NRA PAC Fundraising Surges After Dem Candidates Back Gun Confiscation

Donations to the NRA's political action committee rose again last month, FEC filings show, after several 2020 Democrats advocated for the confiscation of certain guns.

The NRA's PAC raked in $1.3 million in total contributions throughout September, an increase of nearly $400,000 from its previous month, with an overwhelming majority of its cash haul coming from small donors. Of the $1.3 million, $981,277 was sent from individuals contributing less than $200. September was the fourth month in 2019 that the PAC has collected at least $1 million; it currently has $10 million on hand.