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Offline Stein

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$3.4 trillion budget passes
« on: April 29, 2009, 10:59:22 PM »
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Democrats in Congress capped President Barack Obama's 100th day in office by advancing a $3.4 trillion federal budget for next year — a third of it borrowed — that prevents Republicans from blocking his proposed trillion-dollar expansion of government-provided health care over the next decade.

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"It's a budget that reduces taxes, lowers the deficit and creates jobs," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said. "It honors the three pillars of the Obama initiatives: energy, health care and education."

Keep voting for her California and we will all get to guess whether she is an idiot or a simple liar.  The reporters don't even bother to call her out on that anymore.

Obama triples the Bush massive deficit in one year and this broad somehow claims that they are lowering it?

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"We inherited a colossal mess," Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said.

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Senator Kent Conrad has dedicated his life to serving the people of North Dakota, starting with his six years as North Dakota's Tax Commissioner before his successful 1986 bid for the U.S. Senate. North Dakotans have sent Senator Conrad to represent them in Washington, D.C. in five successive elections.

How does a senator that has spent the last 23 years screwing us claim to have "inherited" a mess?  Some day we will all come to the logical conclusion that these problems COME from government and the only way to prevent them is to not spend anymore than absolutely necessary at the federal level.

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House Democrats promise that completion of the budget will be followed by a pay-as-you-go law that would require — after some major exceptions for Bush-era tax cuts — that new tax cuts and increases in federal benefit programs like food stamps, unemployment insurance and Medicare are "paid for" with tax increases or offsetting spending cuts.

Right after I max out this credit card I promise not to incur anymore debt.  I really mean it this time.
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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 11:40:19 PM »
The largest peacetime budget, of ANY country, ever!

America rocks!!!!!!!

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 12:22:25 AM »
The largest peacetime budget, of ANY country, ever!

I don't think it's fair to call it peacetime as long as there are troops in harm's way... even if the offical terminology is "peacekeeping" or "Paving The Way For Democracy" or whatever...

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 12:23:21 AM »
nothin' personal of course Chris.

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 07:30:47 AM »
I don't think it's fair to call it peacetime as long as there are troops in harm's way... even if the offical terminology is "peacekeeping" or "Paving The Way For Democracy" or whatever...

In the last 100 years, when weren't our soldiers in harm's way? When weren't we stationed in everyone else's country, paving the way for democracy? That is peacetime, sad to say. No offense meant, and none taken.

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 08:21:24 AM »
> ""It's a budget that reduces taxes, lowers the deficit and creates jobs," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi"

I know what you mean Stein.  Sometimes I sit here with my mouth hanging open in amazement at the bizzareness of it all.

Up is down.
Debt is wealth.
War is peace.
Theft is moral.
Hate is love.

You can't look at the utter irrationality of all this nonsense and not be depressed.

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 05:00:48 PM »
Hmm, where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah-



"From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

George Orwell, 1984

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2009, 08:17:30 AM »
Stein, reading your first post, well...I'm just stymied.  How can the citizens be so ignorant of the damage both parties have done to our country?  Especially now...unbelievable, truly unbelievable. Obama/Geithner (et al) are doing irreversible damage to our country, yet no pitchfork-wielding mobs are storming the White House or the Treasury Dept.

When enough people are out of work, and wondering how to feed and shelter their families, the Neanderthals in DC may come to a rude awakening as citizens begin understanding what has been done to them, their families, their saving...everything they've worked for..."The American Way of Life."  There will be a revolt - it seems inevitable.

"Trow da bums out!"

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2009, 08:28:43 AM »
Pelosi seriously mis-spoke on that particular point.

Mathematically, I don't see how this action lowers the deficit.

Truthfully, I don't see how we can have it all. I don't believe we can lower the deficit and simultaneously get America to the point of economic recovery. I think to expect it is madness...

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 08:38:00 AM »
... I don't believe we can lower the deficit and simultaneously get America to the point of economic recovery. I think to expect it is madness...

There can be no true PROTRACTED recovery without lowering government spending (and, by extension - the deficit), in fact, slashing spending significantly.  It consumes WAY too much wealth yet generally produces nothing tangible in return.  We need MUCH less government, our current spending habit has proven itself unsustainable.

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2009, 09:37:52 AM »
There can be no true PROTRACTED recovery without lowering government spending (and, by extension - the deficit), in fact, slashing spending significantly.  It consumes WAY too much wealth yet generally produces nothing tangible in return.  We need MUCH less government, our current spending habit has proven itself unsustainable.

Yes, government spending must be lowered as well, but IMO this and "recovery" for the average American can't happen concurrently.

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 11:09:22 AM »
There can be no sustainable future of any kind for our country without massive governmental spending cuts.  We need entire programs eliminated.  These foolish "Cap and Trade" schemes are simply revenue generating tax schemes which will further hamstring industry and energy.  These policies (and others made by equally "enlightened" folks) are the force which has driven so much of our productive capacity overseas.  Any discussion of returning our country to prosperity without emphasizing our nation's productive capacity is intellectually vacant and short sighted.

Geithner/Bernenke/Obama are trying to re-inflate the credit bubble, which is what caused our problems.  I watched a speech where President Obama stated: "We need to get credit to the American public so they can buy cars."  Honestly Julie, when you consider the needs of the American economy, do you say "Americans need more cars?"  Of course not.  Americans have spent money foolishly for over ten years, mortgaging their homes to buy boats, furniture, all kinds of junk they couldn't afford.  The average American carries thousands and thousands of dollars of credit card debt.  President Obama wants us out spending.  Americans need to be saving!  This is the penance for overindulging for a decade.

The worse is yet to come, my dear.  I hope you are not mired in debt as are so many of our friends and neighbors.

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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2009, 01:06:49 PM »
I don't believe we can lower the deficit and simultaneously get America to the point of economic recovery. I think to expect it is madness...

Govt spending doesn't not create a recovery. To expect stolen or printed dollars to create wealth is madness. This progressive myth that FDR spent us out of the Depression is the culprit. FDR turned what should have been a short recovery and into a 2 decade long orgy of spending and socialism.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 12:25:54 PM »
Gosh, you guys are 100 % right.


I need to educate myself a bit more before coming back into this room.

For now, I will merely read.


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Re: $3.4 trillion budget passes
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2009, 06:36:19 AM »
"This progressive myth that FDR spent us out of the Depression is the culprit." Yup, things didn't pick up 'till '46 when goobernmint spending was slashed!