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Offline LVWood

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Arthritis and Inflamation
« on: April 20, 2017, 08:46:42 AM »
So as I get older I've noticed more and more arthritic pain in my right hand, pain in my back, and oddly pain in my left heal.
I'm tired of reaching for the Motrin and it doesn't offer that much relief anyway.
Do any of you know of alternative supplements that might help?

It's getting annoying that I can't spend the time I'd like to in my shop or outside working.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 05:21:53 PM »
LV, something I noticed when I cut out carbs was my arthritis immediately let up – as in by the very next day.  Also, of all the carb sources that seemed to give me trouble, corn was by far the worst.  I know "go paleo" isn't exactly a supplement and may not be what you're looking for, but it did take away about 80% of my pain and inflammation problems.  (Also helped with that annoying swelling around my belt line, but that's another problem.)

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 05:47:03 PM »
High quality CBD oil like Charlotte's Web.

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 06:21:31 PM »
This is something I can help you with.  I have osteoarthritis in all my joints except my knees due to the fact they are now titanium and polyethylene.   I have yet to find a pain med that the side effects aren't a bigger problem so I have some hacks that help a lot.

Get your vitamin D levels checked!  Low vitamin D levels can make your joint pain worse and it is an simple thing to correct.

The best supplements that I have found that help is lots of turmeric and vitamin D.  We are talking 5000 mg per day.  Magnesium supplements may also be helpful.

I love a hot bath right before bed.  It often helps long enough for me to fall asleep.  1/2 cup of Epsom salts in the bath helps too.   

Large gel ice packs are wonderful when you are having those swollen sore days.  I recommend getting at least 2 ice packs in the 11" x 14" size or larger.  Amazon has them for less than $20 and they last forever. 
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Diet 
Figuring out what foods trigger an inflammation response will go a long way to reducing the chronic pain. Ideally you cut out a whole bunch of stuff for 6 weeks or so and slowly add foods back in to see what your personal triggers are.  A good food journal and knowing all the ingredients in what you are eating is key for this to work.

Cutting carbs helps somewhat but figuring out what class of sugars gives you an inflammation response will  give you much better relief.  I tried eating Whole  30 Paleo and didn't feel any better.  I then tried a low FODMAP diet due to digestive issues and discovered that lactose, polysaccharides, and oligo-di-monosaccharides give me serious inflammation problems and joint pain.    Many of these sugars are in foods that are really hard to avoid like garlic and onions but it is worth finding out what foods bother you in terms of inflammation and controlling pain.

The best research I am have been able to find on different class of sugars in foods comes from research  on diets for IBS patients.  Monash University has been testing foods for the types of sugars in the carbohydrates and ranking foods based on the amounts of various sugars so can figure what bothers you. The app is $9.00 but worth it if you are serious about reducing inflammation through diet changes.
http://www.med.monash.edu/cecs/gastro/fodmap/

I am also adding more organ meats and fish to my diet to help with nerve pain but I am just starting that so I can't say it is helping yet.  I am sourcing the organ meats from local pasture raised chickens and 100% grass fed beef from local farms. 

Getting doctors involved....

They love to try and give you shots for things and I have never found any of them to be useful. I have found physical therapy to be very useful if you tend to have aggravate the arthritis by not having the painful joint stay in proper alignment.  PT can also help strengthen that muscles around the sore joints and help keep them more stable and reduce grinding in the joint.  This is helpful but expensive. 


   

 

   




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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 06:48:59 PM »
Thanks all, what are you thoughts on adding Coconut oil?
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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 07:20:59 PM »
I cook with it all the time. 

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 08:09:03 PM »
Thanks all, what are you thoughts on adding Coconut oil?

I don't know about joints (I'm hypermobile, so I'm sure it will be an issue soon) but it was a HUGE help in healing my brain issues after my concussions.  I don't think it could hurt.

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 08:51:32 AM »
I don't think it could hurt.

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:25 PM »
There are lots of anti inflammatory food and supplements.

Lose the inflammatory foods-no more sugar, gluten, dairy, or other sensitive foods.

As for supplements in addition to what is already mentioned, one of the best I have found is green lipped mussel extract.  Yes, it sounds crazy, but studies prove it effective. Great thing about it is it helps your body heal, so eventually you won't need to take it anymore.

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2017, 12:30:45 PM »
My dad used to take glucosamine for his arthritis (not sure if he still does). Note that it only works on osteoarthritis, and not rheumatoid arthritis.

http://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/treatments/natural/supplements-herbs/guide/glucosamine.php

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2017, 06:39:08 AM »

 break it down whether it is osteo, rehmatoid, gout etc those seem the most common. Listen to the Gary Null show or find episodes he talks about arthritus.
I think fish oil might be good and glucosamine chondroitin for osteo arthritus


https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/e/the-gary-null-show-052417/

"Gary opens up the program with the latest in health and healing covering the topics of arthritis and joints"

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 04:49:39 PM »
Look into Dr. Goldhamer, he has been treating patient with clinical fasts for up to 40 days without anything but water to decrease and eliminate the pain of arthritis. He then advises a vegetarian diet to keep the pain at bay.

I fast often. At one point the arthritis in my shoulder and elbow was starting to limit my ability, but after fasting all but the hardest impacts bother the joints. I still eat meat though, but I fast often, usually from 2-9 days. I will be starting another extended fast tomorrow and hope to make it until December.

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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2017, 06:04:20 PM »
Look into Dr. Goldhamer, he has been treating patient with clinical fasts for up to 40 days without anything but water to decrease and eliminate the pain of arthritis. He then advises a vegetarian diet to keep the pain at bay.

I fast often. At one point the arthritis in my shoulder and elbow was starting to limit my ability, but after fasting all but the hardest impacts bother the joints. I still eat meat though, but I fast often, usually from 2-9 days. I will be starting another extended fast tomorrow and hope to make it until December.

Maybe I am mis-understanding your post, because how in the world would you have energy to work and do things if you are going to go from now to december, which is 26 days, ingesting only water ?


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Re: Arthritis and Inflamation
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 07:58:03 PM »
If you look into the physiology of fasting, energy expenditure is increased in the absence of food intake. I am by no means underweight either. When I am going to embark on something strenuous or stressful I always try to do it fasted. After you get used to fasting it feels very good to go without food for extended periods of time. The mind becomes much sharper and I find I can work 16 hour days, day after day on only about 4 hours sleep a night, and 16 hours of work means 16 hours of work, stopping only to urinate and drink water, the rest of the time I am moving and on my feet. The need for sleep goes down and the energy levels go up.
It is an adaptive mechanism. At one time when food was not available at all times people would go considerable amounts of time without eating.

If going for extended periods of time without food made people weak and slow we would not exist as a species today. The first time I did an extended fast was horrible. I went 5 days, I was cold tired and useless. I have gotten used to fasting and do it often. Recently I did a nine day fast because of gut and joint pain issues. I worked for most of it and felt great the entire time. I slept very little, but worked as a floor nurse for much of it, and continued my masters studies when I was not at sleep or working. I found I have much more energy and my thinking is sharper during a fast. During very taxing activities I have to rest more as my endurance decreases, but for most everyday activities, including my work I can forge straight through, where when I am not fasted I find I need to take more breaks and get mentally exhausted quicker.

I do take vitamin and mineral supplements along with water, and in the morning I have a cup of green tea. I also have more than enough fat on me to go a long time without food. I am 5'11" and 220 lbs, when I should be about 180 lbs so I have about a 40 day fat reserve that I can tap into as well. Since in a fasted state hormones like growth hormone increase and insulin decreases most lean mass is preserved. The ubiquitin proteasome system identifies damaged proteins and your body will consume these as well for energy, but most other lean mass remains untouched when the body has had the time to increase the mechanisms for burning fat, which in the absence of food does not take very long.

Of course if one is underweight, a child, or a pregnant woman I would not suggest fasting. The documented longest that anyone has gone without food is 370 days, and they ended up healthier than when they started