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MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« on: April 26, 2017, 07:17:47 PM »
Announcement: http://www.usarmymars.org/home/announcements  There's a list of frequencies and times at the pdf link, bottom left.  Mostly a ham thing, but may be good way for shortwave listeners to get some practice in too.

I swear, there are times it seems like "Baofeng" is Cantonese for "hot mess."

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 07:38:34 PM »
At a recent conference I spent some time chatting with folks form FEMA, DHS and state guard.

A captain in the state guard suggested I always order the "MARS"  mod on any radio I buy.  I explained I'm not affiliated with the military and that's not legal.  He said that doesn't matter during an emergency...

Some weird comments from people I would expect to know better. 

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 07:51:25 PM »
Some weird comments from people I would expect to know better.
Oh I dunno, I imagine that he was giving you credit to know when not to use it.  In any event, it's a good idea, and I wish I'd done it on mine.  (the youtube how-to's are a little bit too hairy for me to try just yet) 

Side note, looking over the details in the linked pdf, it looks like the .mil stations will be calling just outside the normal ham bands and give a call-back frequency inside the bands.  Will have to figure out (again) how to work split on my radio.

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 03:51:16 AM »
At a recent conference I spent some time chatting with folks form FEMA, DHS and state guard.

A captain in the state guard suggested I always order the "MARS"  mod on any radio I buy.  I explained I'm not affiliated with the military and that's not legal.  He said that doesn't matter during an emergency...

Some weird comments from people I would expect to know better.

Obviously not a radio cop.....
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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 04:52:28 AM »
At a recent conference I spent some time chatting with folks form FEMA, DHS and state guard.

A captain in the state guard suggested I always order the "MARS"  mod on any radio I buy.  I explained I'm not affiliated with the military and that's not legal.  He said that doesn't matter during an emergency...

Some weird comments from people I would expect to know better.

Owning or modifying a radio that allows it to xmit on military freqs is not legal?  Link?

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 05:27:21 AM »
Got my extra and saving up for an HF rig, been looking at MARS, anyone here with thoughts on getting involved? What is actually involved with MARS other than being able to talk on non-Ham frequencies?
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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 06:17:30 AM »
Dark, there's a FAQ over at the site: http://www.usarmymars.org/home/frequently-asked-questions  It sort of answers your question.
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What are the requirements to become a MARS volunteer?  In order to apply for MARS membership, the applicant must be 18 years of age; hold a General Class Federal Communication Commission Amateur Radio license; have access to High Frequency radio equipment capable of operating from 2-30 MHz; be of good moral character; and be willing to commit a minimum of 12 hours on the air per quarter.

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 08:06:57 AM »
Owning or modifying a radio that allows it to xmit on military freqs is not legal?  Link?

That's not the most pleasant way to ask, but here you go.

I have confirmed that's the case for CAP at least

https://forums.radioreference.com/amateur-radio-general-discussion/223449-mars-cap-mod.html

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 08:46:37 AM »
Back on topic, I've noticed that many government agencies that operate on HF bands tend to use USB, even on the lower bands.

I thought perhaps this was unique to FEMA's use on 60 meters, but per the MARS PDF doc, they are all USB it seems:

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PART I. MILITARY-TO-AMATEUR CROSS BAND SSB & CW TEST

CONTACTS.

Military-to-Amateur cross band operations will take place on the dates/times in ZULU (UTC),

and frequencies listed below for each station. Some stations may not operate the entire period.

Participating military stations will transmit on selected Military frequencies and listen for

amateur radio stations in the Amateur bands indicated below. The military station operator will

announce the specific amateur band frequency being monitored.

The following stations will be transmitting on the frequencies listed below using the operating

modes listed:

ARMY STATIONS:

AAZ / FT HUACHUCA, AZ

(13 MAY 1500Z - 2359Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,330.5 kHz USB 60M

14,438.5 kHz USB 20M

14,512.5 kHz USB 20M

18,211.0 kHz USB 17M

AAC / BARROW ARMY RESERVE CENTER, KY

(13 MAY 1300Z - 14 MAY 0100Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,346.5 kHz USB 60M

7,360.0 kHz USB 40M

13,963.5 kHz USB 20M

20,920.0 kHz USB 15M

ABH / SCHOFIELD BARRACKS, HI

(13 MAY 1600Z - 2300Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,357.0 kHz USB 60M

14,438.5 kHz USB 20M

18,272.0 kHz USB 17M

20,997.0 kHz USB 15M

ADB / CAMP FOSTER, OKINAWA

(13 MAY 1500Z – 14 MAY 0100Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

14,487.0 kHz USB 20M

17,545.0 kHz USB 17M

20,994.0 kHz USB 15M

ALT/ CAMP MABRY, TX

(13 MAY 1300Z-14 MAY 0200Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,357.0 kHz USB 60M

14,512.5 kHz USB 20M

18,293.0 kHz USB 17M

20,997.0 kHz USB 15M

WAR / PENTAGON WASHINGTON, DC

(13 MAY 1200Z - 2400Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,357.0 kHz USB/CW 60M

13,963.5 kHz USB/CW 20M

18,211.0 kHz USB/CW 17M

24,760.0 kHz USB/CW 12M

WUG-2 / ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, TN

(13 MAY 1300Z-15 MAY 0200Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

5,403.5 kHz USB 60M

13,910.5 kHz USB/CW 20M

18,293.0 kHz USB/CW 17M

20,973.5 kHz USB/CW 15M

AIR FORCE STATIONS:

AIR / ANDREWS AFB

(13 MAY 1200Z - 2400Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,517.0 kHz USB 80M

7,305.0 kHz USB 40M

15,807.0 kHz USB 20M

20,740.0 kHz USB 15M

AGA2SY / HANCOCK FIELD, NY

(13 MAY 1200Z TO 2400Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,575.0 kHz USB 80M

7,540.0 kHz USB 40M

13,993.0 kHz USB 20M

AGA5SC / SCOTT AFB, IL

(13 MAY 1600Z TO 2300Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

3,308.0 kHz USB 80M

4,872.0 kHz USB 80M

7,545.0 kHz USB 40M

AGA9TR / TRAVIS AFB, CA

(13 MAY 1600Z TO 2300Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,575.0 kHz USB 80M

7,915.0 kHz USB 40M

14,411.0 kHz USB 20M

COAST GUARD STATIONS:

NMC1 / COAST GUARD ISLAND, ALAMEDA, CA

(13 MAY 1400Z - 14 MAY 0030Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

7,542.0 kHz USB 40M

15,740.5 kHz USB 20M

22,924.5 kHz USB 15M

NAVY STATIONS:

NIIW / USS MIDWAY CV-41 SAN DIEGO, CA

(13 MAY 1500Z - 14 MAY 0500Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,003.5 kHz USB 80M

7,360.0 kHz USB 40M

14,441.5 kHz USB 20M

18,211.0 kHz USB 17M

20,997.0 kHz USB 15M

NWKJ / USS YORKTOWN CV-10 CHARLESTON, SC

(13 MAY 1200Z-14 MAY 0030Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,000.0 kHz USB 80M

7,360.0 kHz USB 40M

14,663.5 kHz USB 20M

18,272.0 kHz USB 17M

20,940.0 kHz USB 15M

NEPM / USS IOWA BB 61 LOS ANGELES, CA

(13 MAY 1500Z -2359Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,043.5 kHz USB 80M

6,903.5 kHz USB 40M

14,463.5 kHz USB 20M

24,803.5 kHz USB 12M

NMN / CAMSLANT, CHESAPEAKE VA

(13 MAY 1400Z - 14 MAY 0030Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

7,528.6 kHz USB 40M

14,459.6 kHz USB 20M

19,221.6 kHz USB 17M

NWVC / LST-325 EVANSVILLE, IN

(13 MAY 1200Z-14 MAY 0400Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,007.0 kHz USB/CW 80M

6,913.0 kHz USB/CW 40M

13,974.0 kHz USB/CW 20M

24,782.0 kHz USB/CW 12M

NSS / US NAVAL ACADEMY ANNAPOLIS, MD

(13 MAY 1300Z-14 MAY 0200Z)

FREQUENCY EMISSION AMATEUR BAND

4,038.5 kHz USB/CW 80M

7,533.5 kHz USB/CW 40M

14,487.0 kHz USB/CW 20M

17,545,0 kHz USB/CW 17M

20,994.0 kHz USB/CW 15M

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 10:07:21 AM »
That's not the most pleasant way to ask, but here you go.

I have confirmed that's the case for CAP at least

https://forums.radioreference.com/amateur-radio-general-discussion/223449-mars-cap-mod.html

Didn't intend any disrespect.  Don't consider another forum, even radioreference, as proof positive.  If it were, then your comment in this thread that it's illegal is proof as well.  Any references from fcc.gov?  I have personally never seen a regulation restricting owning or modifying radios with the "MARS/CAP" mods. 

I believe you're mistaken, but I'm ready to be wrong.  If I'm violating a regulation I'd really like to know.

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 10:39:37 AM »
Didn't intend any disrespect.  Don't consider another forum, even radioreference, as proof positive.  If it were, then your comment in this thread that it's illegal is proof as well.  Any references from fcc.gov?  I have personally never seen a regulation restricting owning or modifying radios with the "MARS/CAP" mods. 

I believe you're mistaken, but I'm ready to be wrong.  If I'm violating a regulation I'd really like to know.

No offense taken, but thanks.  I'm not a lawyer or FCC regulation expert.  I really don't care what anyone chooses to do in this context.

Perhaps I should have instead said "I was surprised to hear government officials recommend that amateur volunteers get MARS/CAP modifications done on their amateur radios".



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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 05:16:16 PM »
Another article on the topic, over at Dan "No Nonsense Guide" Romanchik's blog: http://www.kb6nu.com/armed-forces-day-crossband-militaryamateur-radio-communications-test-may-13/  He's done this before, has a few insights.

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 11:29:28 PM »
  Ham operators are suppose to know where they can operate and where they can't. One of my first radios was an ARC 5 military transmitter that included 40 meters. I also owned an ART 13. It's not the radio but how we use it. Everyone else must run Type accepted.
  See you on the air running split for Armed Forces Day. 

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2017, 06:25:01 AM »
The upper/lower side band is just an agreement so as to make life easier for Ham operators...it could just as easily be upper side band only.
The radio is not the 'LEGAL' question as the operator is responsible for himself and operating within the operators required  mode and frequency boundaries and 'standards' for etiquette  etc.The radios are  not legal or illegal though there are 'Standards' so as to avoid interference and provide quality communications.As Ham radio is SELF POLICING and FCC only gets involved when commercial services are interfered with and complained about by commercial stations or their representatives.

Just my two cents.
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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2017, 06:40:38 AM »
  Ham operators are suppose to know where they can operate and where they can't.
Bingo.  After all, Baofengs are sold "unlocked," but it's perfectly legal for hams to use them, and that's essentially the loophole by which they can be imported.

As Carl just pointed out, hams are given wide latitude to experiment with non-standard gear because we're supposed to know the rules, know the tech, and to keep ourselves from interfering with others' transmissions.

I see a locked-down transmitter as at best perhaps a convenience, because I don't have to sweat the band edges when I'm casually operating.  But an unlocked transceiver is no problem legally.  Gives some people heartburn though.

I swear, there are times it seems like "Baofeng" is Cantonese for "hot mess."

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2017, 09:59:49 AM »
bump/reminder: This is going on today.

I swear, there are times it seems like "Baofeng" is Cantonese for "hot mess."

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2017, 11:57:57 AM »
Bagged a couple of them.  Tough band conditions today, so that'll have to do.

(But now I know how to work split on my main radio. :))

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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 05:06:54 AM »
  To many were split to outside the General band allotments ,I only got one.
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Re: MARS cross-band exercise, Sat. May 13 2017
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2017, 07:37:42 AM »
It's a shame some of the stations didn't think this through ahead of time and stick to the General bands.  Looks like they'd want to bring in as many hams as possible for an event like this.

I swear, there are times it seems like "Baofeng" is Cantonese for "hot mess."