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Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« on: November 08, 2017, 02:57:39 PM »
This article has some very interesting ideas on possible ways of preventing Alzheimer's... since we are currently caring for my fil at our house, it is a subject very close to home for us. And... seeing the devastating effect of this disease has given us great incentive to do anything possible to try to prevent it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/diagnosis-diet/201609/preventing-alzheimer-s-disease-is-easier-you-think

A side benefit... after being on the ketogenic diet for about 10 months, both the hubs and I have each lost over 25 lbs and feel great.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 04:45:32 PM »
This article has some very interesting ideas on possible ways of preventing Alzheimer's... since we are currently caring for my fil at our house, it is a subject very close to home for us. And... seeing the devastating effect of this disease has given us great incentive to do anything possible to try to prevent it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/diagnosis-diet/201609/preventing-alzheimer-s-disease-is-easier-you-think

A side benefit... after being on the ketogenic diet for about 10 months, both the hubs and I have each lost over 25 lbs and feel great.

As a parent of an insulin dependent child, you'd think I'd follow this advice myself.  We're all so exhausted with the normal work/school/family routine we just through convenience food along with an dose of humalog.

Also, I thought any ketosis oriented diet would only be temporary.  e.g. you can shed 20 lbs. but then will plateau after your glucagon replenishes and your resistance stabilizes.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 08:51:57 AM »

Also, I thought any ketosis oriented diet would only be temporary.  e.g. you can shed 20 lbs. but then will plateau after your glucagon replenishes and your resistance stabilizes.

Do you mean that the weight loss would be temporary?
If you are actually eating low enough amounts of carbs and protein to be in ketosis, then there wont be any glycogen for glucagon to convert into glucose through gluconeogenesis. Many people eat too much protein on a ketogenic diet, because they don't realize that it can convert into glucose that way. Also, people that engage in highly glycolytic activities (think grappling or crossfit), can eat more carbs and protein while remaining in ketosis since they are burning up the glycogen stores.

I think it's great to see more light being shone on the benefits of ketosis. It's been used to treat epilepsy since like 1919. Seems like many things effecting the brain, alzheimer's, brain tumors, etc...are pretty much stopped in their tracks with ketosis.
I personally follow a cyclic ketogenic diet. I was having RA symptoms so bad that I couldn't walk for days at a time, and had to use a cane (age 32 and healthy). No flare ups since. I added in carbs once a week for performance reasons. I am a powerlifter and want to stay between 203 and 208 for now. I was dropping below 200 staying in ketosis full time. Started at 240.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 11:51:59 AM »
interesting..

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 12:31:02 PM »
Thanks for sharing, carbide and iron... we are relatively new to this, although it has always seemed obvious to me that all the high-carb food is largely responsible for the health problems of many. All those delicious desserts that are so popular with Americans (and I do love to bake) have had to go by the wayside for us. I do still make them for others... I just don't partake.

As for the longer-term effects on our end... we both lost most of the weight at about 4 months, after which the weight loss has slowed (mainly because we aren't that far from our ideal weights). I've probably only lost about another 5 pounds since June... just keeping to the general plan and trying to keep up the healthy eating. And... still in ketosis. Along with trying to eat more in accordance with the ketogenic diet, we have also tried to remove the unhealthy fats from our pantry (no more canola or vegetable oil or shortening) and substitute the good stuff -- coconut oil, olive oil, lard, even. More salads, more vegetables, bacon, etc. For snacks, we tend more toward nuts (yes, I know they are supposed to be used in moderation -- they do contain a fair amount of carbs) and carrot sticks with almond butter...

One thing that we quickly learned was how difficult it is to get a salad dressing that doesn't have vegetable oil as the #1 ingredient. My response has been to make all our own dressings... it has actually been a fun adventure. I downloaded a collection of 50 different dressing recipes and have been working my way through. Delicious and only made with ingredients that are good for us :)

@Carbide and Iron: Do you have any particular tips for the long term?

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2017, 07:35:36 PM »
LvsChant,
Check out Primal Kitchen for dressings and mayo, they use avocado oil. And have you had keto ice cream made with coconut cream?

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 04:16:16 PM »
@CarbideAndIron: Thanks for the tips... I'll check out primal kitchen. It sounds very good. We have not yet had keto ice cream... sounds yummy. Been busy taking care of the father-in-law. He just went back home today.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 07:59:16 AM »
@CarbideAndIron: Thanks for the tips... I'll check out primal kitchen. It sounds very good. We have not yet had keto ice cream... sounds yummy. Been busy taking care of the father-in-law. He just went back home today.

I hope he is doing okay. My wife's aunt is being hit hard by it. She's only like 60, and no one in the family seems to want to listen to me about ketogenic therapy for it, so I just left it be. I don't want to be the broken record.
Unfortunately, I have learned that we can't change others. Many close ones in my family have had big time health problems (or death) that are largely due to metabolic derangement.
Seems to all link back to insulin insensitivity. I don't think that healthy people have to live in a state of ketosis, but we do need to control our insulin levels by avoiding processed carbs, or juice and smoothie drinks that have like 80g of sugar in them. And I do think that going into ketosis at least a couple times a year is very therapeutic for the brain and body.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 09:16:43 AM »
I did keto for a while in my 20s. I was a competitive powerlifter so I'm probably not going to offer much different than Carbide. I've tried a number of diets to improve power and being honest the laziest was the SOuth Beach and I probably liked that variation the best. The strictest, the Body Opus diet (no carbs M-F and all the carbs for an entire week over the weekend) is nutty and real hard to stick to living in the real world but it will get you jacked.

It's not for everyone. I totally abandoned keto when I took up boxing. Any sport like that (tennis, basketball, MMA, etc.) low carb can really impact performance.

Every time I have cycled onto keto it came with a 20 lb weight loss (other than Body Opus which made me gain muscle). I tend to agree that most people who do it consume way too much protein. It's a hard sell to get people to do a shot of olive oil but it would probably help most people following a low carb diet.

It's a complicated topic because I doubt any one diet is right for everyone. And I tend to agree with an old Rush Limbaugh joke that every diet works because any diet will make you think as you open the fridge.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 01:10:59 PM »
Keeping away from added sugars and sugary drinks in and of itself will help us no matter which exact diet. I have been on a diet too, but it is a balanced macro's type diet. I have been using my fitness pal to track diet since July. I have very low sugar and what I do get is from a little carrot or other vegetables or milk in my tea. I think the protein recommends I am on are too high for in general, but I think the idea is that protein is harder to digest, so can eat more calories with higher amount of protein, and also that it assures that the weight loss will not be muscle loss. When I hit goal weight I will cut back protein ( right now I am eating 25% of calories as protein which is 84g, which is alot, I think 15% or in the 60something grams would be more than fine, and alot more than I was eating for the past many years). I absolutely eat carbs, but not juice or sugar or fruit. Legumes daily and whole grains, mainly wheat, milk in my tea, less grains than pre-diet, but I am inactive and on a diet, so it makes sense. Fats are mostly from whole foods: dairy products (homemade cheese,etc...), limited nuts or seeds, eggs, extremely limited olive oil ( to cook eggs sometimes, not daily) or butter -- way reduced added fats from previous pre-diet, but increased whole foods fats, like the homemade cheese, so 52g fat a day of mainly milk fats (cheese,butter) and some nuts.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 10:12:55 PM »
I agree... avoiding the sugars would be a great improvement for so many people.

@Carbide: I have also noticed that the people around are impressed to see our weight loss and interested in the benefits of the dietary changes we have made, but are completely uninterested in making those changes themselves. It seems just too hard to do, I guess... or else they don't feel bad enough (yet) to see a reason to make the change.

It is strange to me... when I first heard about it and read up on it, I thought it certainly seemed worthwhile to try it out. I wasn't sure it would work or make any difference, but seemed like a pretty harmless thing to do... I'm so surprised at how resistant to the idea other people are.

And, to follow up...

My father-in-law went back home, and arrangements have been made for my mother-in-law to have a lot more in-home health care for the future. Taking care of him was a huge task... like taking care of little kids (only harder because it was harder to get him to do what was needed -- without his cooperation, lots of simple tasks were quite difficult).

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 06:18:30 PM »
What you guys are saying is so true. I think Alzheimer's is one of the worst things we can have. I had an uncle that developed Alzheimer's but not because of diet. He is the only one I have heard this happen this way. He had bypass surgery and it was on the back side of his heart where it was hard for them to get to. Something happened that caused the blood flow to the brain to stop for a good 2 to 5 minutes. When they got things going again he started to have memory loss, just a little here and there but then went into full blown Alzheimer's. So things can happen in surgery as well. But what you guys are saying is the biggest contribator to Alzheimer's. We all need to eat and excerzise better than we do.  Great points here.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 07:55:23 PM »
One of the mushroom varieties I grow actually has Anti-Dementia Compounds, including Alzheimer's, and possibly help Multiple Sclerosis. I didn't pay too much attention to anything other than the MS, as my best friend has it. But it might be something to look into for Alzheimer's if you are interested. It is actually one of my fav mushrooms to cook.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 10:54:14 PM »
Gary null has talked about using ginkgo biloba to help with brain health as well as coconut oil. Hawthorn berry and CQ 10 may also help and improve circulation. Too much sugar and carbs also is not good in general. I think plenty of Vitamins and magnesium are also important from a good source. I like tangy tangerine drink and liquid magnesium. I also think omega 3 fish oil is great and helps with so many things. I try to pop some of those gel caps every day

 Stay active, I have been going to he gym a lot more in the winter as well as Kung fu and yoga when it is too cold to be outside

I believe fresh veggies is very good and I avoid eating too much meat, especially a big meal that is 90% meat.

Gary null believes blueberries and grapes are some of the most healthy things you can eat. We nearly eat berrries for desert every day or sometimes raspberries. My mother makes a Caesar salad at least 3 or 4 days a week

I probably eat a little too much fried rice, fried Asian noodles and fried Indian food but it's hard to be perfect

There is also evidence that meditation helps with the mind and with concentration. I try to meditate several times a week
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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2018, 01:08:47 AM »
 Also, chlorophyll helps to detoxify metals out of the body. Alzheimer's may be caused by aluminum. I use Chlorela which is a kind of algae. It's dark green and apparently never goes bad. I've had a big bag of it in my fridge for a few years. A friend thinks humans are not meant to eat algae but now I know it's just the chlorophyll and that is common in all plants. I have some spirolina as well in caps

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2018, 07:21:06 PM »
@cedar: What is the mushroom variety you mentioned? Is it readily available?

@ Surf: sounds like you are doing well... keeping  a healthy diet and exercising.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2018, 07:57:11 PM »
@cedar: What is the mushroom variety you mentioned? Is it readily available?

It is Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane). You can get it at specially shops, and in tinctures. You can grow it, it can be more finicky however. I get a 12#-ish one from my friends oak tree down in southern Oregon. If I can't meet up with him to get it, he usually ships it to me. Then we gorge on it around here. It is not as good dried, but can be dried.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2018, 08:13:25 PM »
It is Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane). You can get it at specially shops, and in tinctures. You can grow it, it can be more finicky however. I get a 12#-ish one from my friends oak tree down in southern Oregon. If I can't meet up with him to get it, he usually ships it to me. Then we gorge on it around here. It is not as good dried, but can be dried.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2018, 03:51:29 PM »
One of these days I'll make a lyme disease thread.

Anyways this mail order company is a good one to order from, I would not get herbs or mushroom powders from just anywhere or random Amazon.

https://1stchineseherbs.com/lions-mane-hou-tou-gu-mushroom-powder-1-lb/

This is what I take, good product at a good price.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2018, 04:06:57 PM »
I was looking up selenium and migraines today, and there is a lot about selenium and Alzheimer's you might want to look into.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2018, 06:14:28 PM »
I have heard of selenium being beneficial for alzheimer's but not for migraines. That is good to know. We take selenium but because it helps the body to utilize potassium better. Hubby and I both take potassium so therefor we are both taking selenium for that reason. The other things would be a bonus for us if it really works for these other things as well. We have had friends that had alzheimer's as well as an uncle. That has got to be the worst disease ever.

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2018, 06:39:01 PM »
Well, we inject selenium into livestock here as it washes out of our soils due to the amount of rainfall we get. So in my thinking, it is not being taken up by the veggies, if it is not being taken up by grass here and why livestock isn't getting it.

But selenium is an important antioxidants and deals with free radicals. Look into it for RA, and some other stuff. Being on my 6th day of a migraine, which is not uncommon for me, someone suggested selenium, I looked into it, and trying it out, as I am.tired of feeling like i have a dumptruck parked on my head.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2018, 07:25:27 PM »
Cedar hope you feel better soon. This weather we are having has got my arthritis on edge. Hands and back. The medal plate in my neck is not helping things. I am just using a heating pad for that. If I can find out about things that will help migraines I will let you know.

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2018, 07:49:16 PM »
Poor sleep has been recognized as a risk factor for Alzheimer's.  A recent study showed higher levels of specific proteins in the cerebrospinal fluid of healthy volunteers with as little as one night of interrupted sleep.  The theory is that clearance of these proteins from the CSF is decreased in people with chronically inadequate sleep, which leads to depositions and neurofibrillary tangles seen in the brains of Alzheimer's patients at autopsy.

I hope thy paid the study participants a good chunk of change for getting woken up in middle of the night for a spinal tap.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2018, 02:23:39 PM »
Did a bit of research and found this at www.The migrainetrust.org/living-with-migrane/treatments/supplements-and herbs.  Seems that Magnesium 24 grams, riboflavin, coenzyme (coq10), and also herbal preps feverfew and butterbur. The above site will tell you about each one.
With magnesium, you need to be careful if you take blood pressure meds as it can lower your blood pressure to low. You would need to monitor your blood pressure.  Hope this helps anyone that has migraines.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 03:43:44 PM »
I thought Selenium was for testing website software:

http://www.seleniumhq.org/

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2018, 05:45:32 PM »
That's funny. And all this time I thought it was a vitamin. LOL.

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Re: Prepare by preventing Alzheimer's
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 07:14:16 PM »
That's funny. And all this time I thought it was a vitamin. LOL.

It's actually a mineral.

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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2018, 12:22:47 AM »
Well, we inject selenium into livestock here as it washes out of our soils due to the amount of rainfall we get. So in my thinking, it is not being taken up by the veggies, if it is not being taken up by grass here and why livestock isn't getting it.

But selenium is an important antioxidants and deals with free radicals. Look into it for RA, and some other stuff. Being on my 6th day of a migraine, which is not uncommon for me, someone suggested selenium, I looked into it, and trying it out, as I am.tired of feeling like i have a dumptruck parked on my head.

Cedar

I take various vitamin/mineral supplements that have selenium, cq10, all that. I just got an herbal cardiovascular caps. I only take them after lunch otherwise I can get heartburn as there is cayenne and garlic.

I get headaches but not migraine, I keep a bottle of this around.  I got it at whole foods and was told it is popular and many people take it for just regular headaches as well

http://www.hylands.com/products/hylands-migraine-headache-relief