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Offline Alan Georges

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biphasic sleep?
« on: April 11, 2018, 07:26:56 PM »
Anybody ever get into a biphasic sleep pattern?  That's where you sleep in two stretches during a night, with a long awake period in the middle.  Here's an article: http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/for-1000s-of-years-we-went-to-bed-twice-a-night-2

There are times when I've felt like I was drifting toward this, but never quite gotten there.  A couple of times on long vacations, for example.  When decompressing after a hard semester in college.  Or after Katrina, when there wasn't any light beyond a battery lantern and I was too tired to stay up after 9 pm in the dark anyway.  All of these times felt very restful, though there was a lot of other stuff going on too.  I can't really say that I got fully into the biphasic rhythm.  Next long vacation I might try to nudge myself into it, just to get there and really try it.

Practical survival use... maybe good as part of a night watch rotation.  Might be useful to pop awake in the middle of the night to go poking around the locale unnoticed (though caution, this might be a good way to get shot).  Maybe better total rest during high-stress times?

So, anybody got any experience with this?  How'd it work for you?

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 08:06:18 PM »
I do this a lot in various ways. I work out of my mothers house. Around 5:00 she makes dinner, then I may fall asleep for 3 or 4 hours, then get up at 11:00 or whenever and drive back to my house, then I may play the guitar, meditate or go for a walk and go to bed again around 2:00 am.

Sometimes I go out to eat with friend for dinner. I go back to her house, pass out on the couch for a few hours and then go back to my house in the middle of the night.

I like to walk a mile or two at night because no one is out and the neighborhood is quiet. I also like to meditate at night which is beneficial. If I can’t sleep I just listen to my iPod and try to relax.

When I can do it, I may like to walk on the beach at night. I have done that at Salisbury beach in mass or old orchard beach in Maine while camping at those places

I sometimes do a little work in the garden at night but never anything too strenuous

I tend to avoid playing loud electric guitar after midnight. I believe the night is meant to be restful and that would disrupt the pattern.

When I am at my camp I can get tired from cutting wood and take a long nap, then I am up reading or meditating near the woodstove for awhile in the middle of the night.

My dad and my uncle were the same way. My uncle would be seen out walking on the backroads of Vermont in the middle of the night. At my uncles funeral people mentioned they used to see him out on the roads at 3:00 in the morning. I explained it kind of runs in the family. Sometimes the police don’t understand but it was more in the town I lived in before where it was like that


 My dad would be up at all hours but didn’t do the walks
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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 08:08:25 PM »
I've been having it whether I want it or not.  I think about all the most stupid things at 4AM.  I also seem to have a bunch of Facebook friends who wake up and do social media in the middle of the night, but I'm not sure whether they consider it desirable or insomniac.

I dunno, I haven't read that historian's book but I'm a little dubious that biphasic sleep was THE normal way to sleep.  Maybe it was A normal way for some people in some cultures.  There are also a lot of cultures where an afternoon siesta is the norm, and there are some days when I really sympathize with that!

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 08:37:27 PM »
This is a different article than how swami Rama put it in his book but he said there are theee different types who may be out or up at night, the bhogi, Rogi, and yogi similar to as explained here

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/757346

When Ed trained as a yogi in India at the Bihar School of Yoga, his guru Swami Satyananda asked him, “Are you a yogi, a bhogi or a rogi?”

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Then his guru explained that a bhogi is into sex, drugs and indulging the senses, and that a rogi is a rascal or scoundrel, while a yogi is a seeker of truth. Ed knew that he was a dedicated yogi, but he also knew he could have fit into all three categories




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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 08:53:58 PM »
I’ve heard about it being common back in the day, but have never come close to doing it naturally.  Once I’m asleep waking up is hard.

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 07:26:34 AM »
I did try it back in the late 80's.  (along with another method I forget the name of that had me trying to sleep for around 1 hour 3 times a day, but my rhythms wouldn't work with it).   But I'm whats known as a "Short Sleeper".   I typically run on 4 to 4 1/2 hours of sleep nightly.  (Sometimes its a solid sleep, sometimes it's highly interrupted.  If I sleep too much (Say 5 or 6 hours in one night), then the next 2 or 3 days I barely get 2 to 2 1/2 hours of sleep.    I developed Short Sleeper Syndrome when I was about 12 or 13 years old.  It appears to be hereditary as my father had it also.   I was diagnosed during a sleep study that was done on me at 16.  I am rarely ever tired.    About once every 3 months, I'll sleep for 7 or 8 hours straight and solid, but I feel like crap afterword and don't sleep at all the next couple of days.  Other than that, it's never bothered me.

I did go through a phase where I would sleep from 10 until around 1, then wake up for an hour or so (I'd read or tinker for a bit), and sometimes fall back asleep around 2 or 3.  But because I'm a short sleeper, I was having more and more difficulty falling asleep as early as 10. I could lay down at 8:00 on a cold long winter night and still wouldn't fall asleep until midnight.  When your parents had you go to bed that early, it really sucked.  But eventually they figured out I was just like Dad, and they stopped making me go to be.  I was always the first one up in the morning and ready for school before anyone else even got up. LOL   

Currently,  I typically lay down between 11:00 and 11:30 and am usually out around midnight, and wake up between 4:15 and 4:30.  I haven't had to use an alarm clock for many years.  I wake up within a 15 minute window, 7 days a week.   

The only thing that bugs me is, I have a tiny 800 square foot house with a wife and 3 kids.  I can't do anything without waking others up, so the only thing I can do is be on the computer, or go to work.  So I go to work 2 hours early every day. 

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 07:54:07 AM »
Dale Carnegie mentions the case of Paul Kern as evidence you don't need sleep. If you can't sleep just try to lie in bed and relax and you will get rest. Swami Rama mentions counting meditations that help the mind get rest you count up to 100 and then back down to 1.

 There are also yogis who need little or no sleep or who have been able to hibernate, this is not common but shows many things are possible

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/man-did-not-sleep-for-40-years/#.uwbgz604b

Kern served as a government official on the Eastern Front in World War I in 1915. In the line of duty, he was shot in the head - the bullet piercing through his cranium and causing serious damage to his frontal lobe.

After being rescued, Kern received treatment in Lemberg and regained consciousness after the bullet was removed. From that point on, until his death in 1955, the man did not sleep a wink.
The bullet destroyed a part of Kern's frontal lobe as shown in the diagram below.

His curious condition made him the subject of several intense tests by brain and nerve specialists throughout Europe, but none could ever trace the trace just why his body no longer needed sleep.


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https://unrealfacts.com/sleep-40-years/

Paul Kern died in 1955, some 40 years after he suffered the gunshot wound that changed his life forever. He was the basis for a song by the American folk-pop band The Dimes who wrote a song called “Paul Kern Can’t Sleep”.

Paul Kern isn’t the only person to have suffered this weird condition. A farmer from Vietnam has claimed that he has not slept since 1973. He said he came down with a fever one day and since then he hasn’t been able to sleep. Doctors have checked him over and said he suffers from sever insomnia. They also say his health is otherwise fine. One thing they have not done is check out his claim to see if he is authentic.

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 08:01:10 AM »
Let us know how it goes, Alan. I haven't ever tried anything like this, although sometimes from extreme exhaustion (particularly after a long trip), I'll go to sleep much earlier than usual and wake up after 2-3 hours, unable to sleep for awhile...

My typical sleep requirements are about 7 hrs/night, although I do with less for awhile with no ill effects. If I go for an extended time (2 weeks or so) with less (5 hours or so), I often get sick -- most often catching a cold. So... I try to avoid that...

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 09:22:40 AM »
When I was younger I could sleep 10-12 hours at a time. I'm 60 now and do good to sleep 5-6 hours. Damn Army ruined a beautiful thing.

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Re: biphasic sleep?
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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 10:28:18 AM »
When I was younger I could sleep 10-12 hours at a time. I'm 60 now and do good to sleep 5-6 hours. Damn Army ruined a beautiful thing.

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Haaa.  I was the opposite,  I was already a short sleeper before I joined.  To most people I was super human.  I once did a 77 hour shift when food poisoning took 4 of the 5 people on my team  out during a critical field op (Reforger Germany).   Leaving only me who could run the Node Center.   The last 7 hours, I was starting to hallucinate.   I discovered that day what my limit of no sleep was.   I remember sitting in my chair and breaking down an engine piece by piece and reassembling it in front of me.  (Kind of like the 3D virtual reality stuff they have now a days). 

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 10:44:40 AM »
Haaa.  I was the opposite,  I was already a short sleeper before I joined.  To most people I was super human.  I once did a 77 hour shift when food poisoning took 4 of the 5 people on my team  out during a critical field op (Reforger Germany).   Leaving only me who could run the Node Center.   The last 7 hours, I was starting to hallucinate.   I discovered that day what my limit of no sleep was.   I remember sitting in my chair and breaking down an engine piece by piece and reassembling it in front of me.  (Kind of like the 3D virtual reality stuff they have now a days).

I had a guy tell me one time, while he was in Ranger school, he swears he saw gummy bears marching in front of his position.

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 12:41:36 PM »
Before my experience, I wouldn't have believed him.  After my experience.  Yep, Gummy bears marching sounds quite reasonable.  LOL

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Re: biphasic sleep?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 06:14:17 PM »
http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/
Interesting, thanks Smurf.  There seems to be an air of mystery about this whole thing by modern sleep researchers, but it's a harmless mystery.

Let us know how it goes, Alan.
I will, Lvs, though I probably won't try this anytime soon.  Work schedule, etc.  But if I can swing a longer vacation this year, I may be able to pull this off.  Maybe on a backpacking trip.  The extra exercise and outdoors would be a help.