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Measles hysteria NY
« on: March 26, 2019, 12:21:54 PM »


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/nyregion/measles-rockland-county.amp.html

Rockland County, a suburb of New York City, will declare a state of emergency and bar minors who are unvaccinated against measles from being in public places, the latest effort to fight New York State’s worst measles outbreak in decades.

The declaration will take effect at midnight on Tuesday and expires in 30 days.

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Rockland County, which has a population of more than 300,000 people, has had 153 confirmed cases of measles since October, a county spokesman, John G. Lyon, said. Of those, 48 have come in 2019.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2019, 03:17:12 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2019, 04:52:24 PM »
I find it interesting that they are seeming to try to pin it on orthodox jews.

 Banning people or children from public places is in many ways on the path towards forced vaccinations

https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/new-york-county-with-orthodox-enclave-declares-emergency-over-measles-outbreak

The outbreak was centered in an Orthodox Jewish community where many residents had not been vaccinated, CBS News New York reported. Most of the cases now are clustered in eastern Ramapo, home to a high percentage of haredi Orthodox Jews.

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could be they figured out a way of targeting those jews because of their refusal to vaccinate

https://forward.com/news/national/417976/hasidic-anti-vaxxers-defy-rabbis-measles-outbreak-vaccines/

Some major rabbis have said it’s okay not to vaccinate children before sending them to school, including three members of the top rabbinical council of Agudath Israel of America, the leading ultra-Orthodox umbrella organization. The three rabbis signed onto a letter that stated that any parent who “done his research” is allowed to go against the advice of the medical establishment. One of those rabbis called vaccines a “hoax” in a 2014 interview. Smaller yeshivas, or religious schools, are not as stringent about excluding unvaccinated kids as the larger ones, said Samuel Heilman, a professor of sociology at Queens College who has written extensively about the ultra-Orthodox community.

In some yeshivas in upstate New York, vaccination rates are as low as 60%, according to New York state health commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker. New York state’s overall vaccination rate is 92.5%.
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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2019, 04:09:17 AM »

Gary Null said the state of NY claimed there was 130 or something cases of measles when there was only 5 cases. I don’t know exactly but that is easily believable

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2019, 07:16:45 AM »

Gary Null on Friday interviewed a woman doctor about 30 or 31 minutes into the show. It seems to highlight many questions about CDC secrecy or lack of accurate information. It also points out people who are vaccinated may get vaccine induced measles which further can easily confuse what is really going on. Recently Gary Null pointed out that people from the CDC in the past had been involved in covering up the efffects of agent orange. He also covered criminal activity within the CDC connected to a Paul Thorsen fellow

https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/e/the-gary-null-show-032919/

Dr. Meryl Nass is an internal medicine physician and activist who specializes in treating patients with Gulf War syndrome, adverse reactions fro the anthrax vaccine and vaccine safety and efficacy in general.  In the past she has testified on six separate occasions before Congress on behalf of veterans suffering from the causes of Gulf War syndrome. Meryl is also active in opposing vaccine mandates and critiquing the false claims and fear mongering about infectious disease epidemics and corruption within the medical industrial military complex.  She serves on the Board of the Alliance for Human Research Protection, a non profit organization run by Vera Sharav that advances medical ethics that uphold human rights and protect humans from wrongful medical interventions. Her work is cited in many professional articles and publications. She holds degrees from MIT and her medical degree from the Mississippi School of Medicine.  Dr Nass' website where she blogs isAnthraxVaccine.blogspot.com


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Thorsen


https://worldmercuryproject.org/advocacy-policy/criminal-conduct-poul-thorsen/

The new evidence, recently uncovered Children’s Health Defense, shows that Thorsen and his collaborators did not obtain permission from an Institutional Review Board (IRB) to conduct their research, which was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2002 and Pediatrics in 2003. In 2011, The Department of Justice indicted Thorsen on 22 counts of wire fraud and money laundering for stealing over $1 million in CDC grant money earmarked for autism research. The product of Thorsen’s work for CDC was a series of fraud-tainted articles on Danish autism rates that, today, form the backbone of the popular orthodoxy that vaccines don’t cause autism.

In 2009, when CDC discovered that Thorsen never applied for the IRB approvals, staff did not report the errors and retract the studies. Rather, FOIA documents show that CDC supervisors ignored the missteps and covered up the illegal activity.

This misconduct, undermines the legitimacy of these studies, which were used to refute vaccine injury claims in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP). The studies were also used in the NVICP’s “Omnibus” to dismiss 5000 petitions by families who claimed that their children had developed autism from vaccines.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 07:48:48 AM »

https://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/january-2015/measles-in-disneyland-third-mmr-shot-and-vaccine.aspx

In some outbreaks of measles in California last year, nearly 20 percent of the people had been vaccinated. 49 The CDC says that 12% of the measles cases associated with Disneyland were vaccinated, some of them with at least two doses of MMR vaccine. 50

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In addition, there are published studies demonstrating that people given live virus measles vaccine can be infected with vaccine strain measles virus and shed vaccine strain measles virus. 64 65 66 Health officials do not conduct routine active surveillance of people getting live MMR vaccine to monitor for vaccine strain measles virus infection, shedding and the potential for transmission.
 
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Plus, other common viral infections – like adenovirus infections – can look just like measles with rash, fever and conjunctivitis symptoms 69 70 and be misdiagnosed as measles UNLESS there is expensive RNA lab testing done to confirm that what looks like measles really is wild type measles. 71


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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2019, 10:09:01 AM »
The CDC says that 12% of the measles cases associated with Disneyland were vaccinated, some of them with at least two doses of MMR vaccine. 50

That's very deceptive. 

If you follow reference 50 it takes you to an old CDC report from January 2015, which states at the top of the page that the data isn't current and has been stored for historical purposes only.  A month later the number of cases had more than doubled, as seen in the following MMWR article from February 2015.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm

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Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. Twelve of the unvaccinated patients were infants too young to be vaccinated. Among the 37 remaining vaccine-eligible patients, 28 (67%) were intentionally unvaccinated because of personal beliefs, and one was on an alternative plan for vaccination. Among the 28 intentionally unvaccinated patients, 18 were children (aged <18 years), and 10 were adults. Patients range in age from 6 weeks to 70 years; the median age is 22 years. Among the 84 patients with known hospitalization status, 17 (20%) were hospitalized.

Based on this data set, only 1 of the Disneyland measles patients had been fully vaccinated, and 1 may have been based on their IGG titer.  That's still less than 2%, well within the expectations for 3 doses of the vaccine.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2019, 12:26:06 PM »
It seems to say 7% had at least 2 doses of vaccinations? An additional 6% had one vaccination dose, though supposedly 2 doses is recommended


This article seems to claim a person who was vaccinated spread measles to others from the vaccination

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

This website says only 2% to 5% do not develop immunity from one shot so supposedly one shot should be highly effective according to that

http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_mmr.asp
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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2019, 03:52:03 PM »
So I woke up from a nap and realized I need to rectify my numbers on the last post.

Full MMR series is 2 doses, not 3. Not sure why the one patient got three.  According to the latest CDC data 1 dose of MMR is 93% effective against measles, and 2 doses is 97%.  Remember that is over very large populations.

So in the Disneyland outbreak it looks like up to 8% of the 110 patients may have been considered fully immune and still contracted measles at a higher rate than the expected 3%. But with this number of cases that may not be a statistically significant deviation.

The real takeaway from this outbreak, though, is the fact that 88% of the measles cases occurred among those with no known history of vaccination.  Not very comforting odds.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2019, 02:53:13 AM »

These measles stats always seem questionable because there is a built in bias, but even this pro vaccine article seems to have to admit that in the worst case scenario, death by measles is not a particularly significant risk. The numbers given here could easily be exaggerated because people who are unhealthy to begin with ar more likely to die from numerous related causes. Other estimates of deaths from measles seems much lower. Suicide, poor diet, lack of exercise, pollution, chemicals in the food and the numerous other health risk factors seem more significant. It seems hard to get around the idea that there are other motives that also play into vaccination pushes and fears

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vaxopedia.org/2018/04/15/when-was-the-last-measles-death-in-the-united-states/amp/

So if we stop vaccinating, we won’t get to 7,000 measles deaths a year again in the United States. Modern medicine has improved a great deal since 1900. We would eventually get to about 320 to 960 measles deaths a year though (using our current population of 320 million people and a measles death rate between 0.1 and 0.3).

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2019, 11:33:46 AM »
It has been overturned as judge found there is no emergency.  That a judge even had to spend time on this clearly illegal ban is amazing.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/ny-county-considers-next-steps-amid-measles-outbreak

NY county considers next steps after judge rules against emergency order

Leaders in a New York county are weighing legal options after a judge ruled Friday against banning unvaccinated children from public places
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The parents challenging the emergency order said it violated their First Amendment right to exercise their freedom of religion. Thorsen said the county’s measles outbreak didn’t rise to the level of an “epidemic” meriting an emergency declaration.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2019, 01:27:41 PM »
 Good stuff, they are at it again .. those pro vaccine folks must not mind ..


https://www.timesofisrael.com/mandatory-measles-shots-ordered-in-brooklyn-area-with-high-orthodox-population/

NEW YORK — New York City declared a public health emergency Tuesday over a measles outbreak and ordered mandatory vaccinations in one neighborhood for people who may have been exposed to the virus.

Mayor Bill de Blasio announced the unusual order amid what he said was a measles “crisis” in Brooklyn’s Williamsburg section, where more than 250 people, mostly members of an ultra-Orthodox Jewish religious community, have gotten measles since September.

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People who ignore the order could be fined $1,000. The city said it would help everyone covered by the order get the vaccine if they can’t get it quickly through their regular medical provider.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2019, 06:32:28 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/mandatory-measles-shots-ordered-in-brooklyn-area-with-high-orthodox-population/

NEW YORK — New York City declared a public health emergency Tuesday over a measles outbreak and ordered mandatory vaccinations in one neighborhood for people who may have been exposed to the virus. ...

Another article with a bit more information:

Courthouse News, 4/9/19: NYC Measles Outbreak Spurs Mandatory Vaccination Order

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...Since the outbreak began in October, there have been 285 confirmed cases of measles concentrated in the tight-knit community of Orthodox Jews in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, according to a press release from the mayor’s office. Nearly 250 of those cases were children under 18. There have been no deaths associated with the outbreak, though people have suffered complications. ...

It’s not clear, however, that religious exceptions are at the root of the outbreak in Brooklyn. Some experts say the outbreaks are due in part to Orthodox Jewish communities’ being uniquely susceptible to misinformation from anti-vaxxers, due to their close-knit communities and separation from mainstream media.

“As a pediatrician, I know the MMR vaccine is safe and effective,” Health Commissioner Barbot said in a statement Tuesday. “This outbreak is being fueled by a small group of anti-vaxxers in these neighborhoods. They have been spreading dangerous misinformation based on fake science. We stand with the majority of people in this community who have worked hard to protect their children and those at risk.”...

[Rabbi] David Niederman, executive director and president of the United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg Inc., ... has told news outlets that unvaccinated children in Jewish communities are a minority, and that the religion encourages vaccination.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2019, 06:47:54 PM »
NYT:  ‘Monkey, Rat and Pig DNA’: How Misinformation Is Driving the Measles Outbreak Among Ultra-Orthodox Jews



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Peach’s handbook — with letters signed by rabbis and sections like “Halachic Points of Interest” — has become one of the main vehicles for misinformation among ultra-Orthodox groups, including Hasidim. Its message is being shared on hotlines and in group text messages.

“Vaccines contain monkey, rat and pig DNA as well as cow-serum blood, all of which are forbidden for consumption according to kosher dietary law,” Moishe Kahan, a contributing editor for Peach magazine, said in an email.

Vaccines are often grown in a broth of animal cells, but the final product is highly purified. Most prominent ultra-Orthodox rabbis agree that vaccines are kosher, and urge observant Jews to be immunized.

Still, from enclaves in suburban Rockland County to the bustling streets of Brooklyn’s Borough Park neighborhood, fliers tell the Hasidim to be skeptical of immunizations. On a recent Sunday evening, a four-hour conference call promoted to ultra-Orthodox families — with call-in numbers for a variety of countries — offered advice from speakers who were presented as experts in vaccine science.





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Fliers like this were hung in temples and along streets in Brooklyn, promoting a conference call that cast doubt on the safety of vaccines.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2019, 06:53:25 PM »
Another article with a bit more information:
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Some experts say the outbreaks are due in part to Orthodox Jewish communities’ being uniquely susceptible to misinformation from anti-vaxxers, due to their close-knit communities and separation from mainstream media.

Wow, now that is some major anti-semitism.  Jews are too gullible to be allowed to make decisions for themselves and their families.  Proof is they dont buy into everything the mainstream media says  Therefore we must seggregate them from others and forcibly inject them with chemicals against their wills.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2019, 10:09:37 PM »
Wow, now that is some major anti-semitism.

I've read that there is some serious community anti-semitism related to this issue, but I don't think that quote is an example of it.  The blame is clearly being placed on the isolation of this particular community, and not on their religion or ethnicity.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2019, 07:39:53 AM »
I've read that there is some serious community anti-semitism related to this issue, but I don't think that quote is an example of it.  The blame is clearly being placed on the isolation of this particular community, and not on their religion or ethnicity.

It is absolutely their religion as shown in the court case.  It is an unprecedented violation of the first amendment and is being used to justify hatred towards them.

https://laitman.com/2019/04/measles-outbreak-and-antisemitism/
Measles Outbreak And Antisemitism

The outbreak of Measles provides another justification for the inherent hatred towards Jews; a way to rationalize anti-Semitic sentiments.

Even in the Middle Ages Jews were blamed for spreading diseases, but the claim was opposite: Since bathing regularly wasn’t common, the Jews, who bathed at least once a week for religious reasons, were more protected from diseases. Their weekly cleaning disinfected their bodies. But the public at the time ignored that, and fabricated false theories that the Jews themselves were spreading the disease to hurt the rest of the public. As then, so now, an inexplicable and irrational feeling is constantly searching for logical reasons to blame and hate the Jews.


In Washington State we see a person plotting attacks against Jews referring to them as rats, the common trope of them being disease spreaders.  This is how panic puts lives at risk.  It gives [false] justification to take action on existing prejudices.

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/monroe-man-charged-in-killing-plot-im-shooting-for-30-jews/
Monroe man charged in killing plot: ‘I’m shooting for 30 Jews’
Dakota Reed, 20, is charged with two counts of threats to bomb and for Facebook posts.


“I’m shooting for 30 Jews,” he posted in November. “No pun needed. Long ways away anyways. See you Goys.”
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He wrote he was saving up to buy guns and ammo to kill “(((rats))).” Among anti-Semites, the echo symbol is a reference to Jews


IMO the politicians need to deescalate the rhetoric and attacks before this gets completely out of hand.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2019, 02:58:49 PM »
I'm sensitive to anti-semitism.  My dad's Jewish, and hundreds of people with my last name were murdered in the Holocaust.  I agree there's a whole lot of anti-semitism going around lately, and some of it is directed against this particular group.

But... I mean, I really don't know how to handle this situation.  A group of people are intentionally isolating themselves from mainstream sources of information, and they are choosing to believe one rabbi who says vaccines are non-kosher, rather than the thousands of other rabbis who say just the opposite.  As a result, there are now nearly 300 of them infected with a serious communicable disease.  And no matter how isolated they may be culturally, they are not isolated epidemiologically -- they're smack in the middle of one of the biggest metropolitan areas in North America, which is also a hub for national and international travel.

Remember that old libertarian line about how your freedom to swing your fist ends where my face begins?  Freedom of religion isn't absolute.  To invent an extreme example, if your religion calls for sacrificing unbelievers to the gods, I am going to fight your right to practice it.

So this is obviously a much less extreme situation, but doesn't the same principle apply?  If you're harboring a contagious virus for religious reasons, the least you should do is voluntarily quarantine yourself.  And if you're not willing to do that, other people do have a right to take an appropriate level of action against you, in self-defense.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2019, 03:44:43 PM »
But this isnt about quarantining ill people.  They are quaranteened. They are trying to ban all Jews who havent been vaccinated.  These are healthy people the vast majority who are adults already immune. This is unprecedented. 

When brought before the judge not a single health care professional would testify under oath that healthy and immune people pose a public risk, nor would they testify that this is an epidemic.  This is simply an outbreak which is expected.  There is no 'rolling back of eradication' like the media portrays.  It is all anti-scientific fear mongering.

I remember fighting back against the hate of homosexuals during the 80s AIDS epidemic.  They proposed the same violations of freedom.  Now we look back at that aghast.  But here we are again. Same fear, same political posture, just new minority group to demonize.

Also, this violates the state law.  So we have a Mayor going around legal due process.  But I see now they are saying they wont enforce it.  And also they have changed the expiration date to April 17, the day before the first court challenge could proceed.  Net, they are admitting this is all fear theater. 

I just hope we dont see more anti-semitic, anti-Catholic, and Anti-Amish attacks.  We have seen enough of those in the last year.
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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2019, 03:56:04 PM »
They are trying to forcibly vaccinate adults is that right ? It wasn't clear ..

 As far as Jews in Germany, the other angle is that they all or at least many probably had adequate warnings but it was all considered crazy conspiracy theories that anyone would send people to concentration camps for extermination.

 There is plenty of evidence of abusive medical experiments and other such things. For that reason alone, I find it extremely difficult to agree that people should be compelled to do such things as be vaccinated when there is no clear case that that should happen

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2019, 04:16:03 PM »
They are trying to forcibly vaccinate adults is that right ? It wasn't clear ..

Yes, quarantine of ill and family members was in effect and there were no known violations.

They specifically targetted Jewish neighborhoods by their four zip codes.  Non-Jewish neighborhoods were not included.  The order was for forced vaccinations of all men, women, and chldren who lives, works or goes to school there.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2019, 04:23:03 PM »
Since religious liberty keeps popping up in these vaccine threads, it might be worth remembering that SCOTUS made the determination in Wisconsin v Yoder that 1A doesn’t broadly protect all religious beliefs.

That decision laid out the framework for testing whether a religious belief was merely a preference or an actual conviction that rises to the level deserving of constitutional protection.  Along with some other criteria, it basically comes down to whether one is willing to risk jail or death for their convictions.  Anything else is a preference where, when push comes to shove in the interest of the public, the state is justified in compelling behavior.

And it’s also important to remember that strongly held religious beliefs are often suddenly relaxed in times of crisis, like rabbis suspending Kosher dietary restrictions for Jewish soldiers in WWII. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2019, 04:33:48 PM »
Also should have noted that it is an open secret that De Blasio is doing this as payback for Jewscnot supporting him in the election.  This is hard core politics.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/de-blasio-support-plummets-among-jews/
De Blasio Support Plummets Among Jews
Approval rating down to 28 percent

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2019, 04:37:41 PM »
 Although religious exemptions against vaccines goes very far back and was or is implemented by many states. If you can forcibly medicate people, it's not clear where it ends. How many medicines and vaccines can you compel people to take against threat of fines or other restrictions ?  It is clear that the number of vaccines and other medications is constantly growing.

 Informed consent seems an important aspect to freedom that you often hear about and I believe that some tried to get that into the bill of rights but it didn't make it.

 It's interesting that one of the first people to vaccinate large numbers of people was Cotton Mather who is associated with the salem witch trials

wikipedia says:

"The influential Massachusetts preacher Cotton Mather was the first known person to attempt smallpox inoculation on a large scale, inoculating himself and over 200 members of his congregation with the help of a local doctor. While his view became standard, he also caused the first reaction against the practice."


Wikipedia says:
"In the U.S., all states except Mississippi, California and West Virginia allow parents to opt out of their children's otherwise-mandatory vaccinations for religious reasons."

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2019, 04:43:09 PM »
Since religious liberty keeps popping up in these vaccine threads, it might be worth remembering that SCOTUS made the determination in Wisconsin v Yoder that 1A doesn’t broadly protect all religious beliefs.

No, but it is an open question how Supreme Court will view today with First Amendment incorporation.  Also as judge just ruled, the state's interest only applies in most extreme cases and this doesnt come near.  But New York case will never get to Suprreme Court as Mayor's order violates state law and Supreme Court has been very clear on that.

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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2019, 04:47:37 PM »
not that I agree with all aspects of what the UN promotes, but they have to at least admit that it is an important issue that resonates with many

https://www.hhrjournal.org/2009/12/informed-consent-at-the-nexus-of-health-and-human-rights-as-reported-by-special-rapporteur-anand-grover-to-the-un-general-assembly/

Informed consent at the nexus of health and human rights, as reported by Special Rapporteur Anand Grover to the UN General Assembly

In his recent report for the United Nations General Assembly, Special Rapporteur Anand Grover emphasizes that informed consent should be a fundamental practice in a rights-based approach to health. He describes informed consent as “not mere acceptance of medical intervention, but a voluntary and sufficiently informed decision, protecting the right of the patient to be involved in medical decision-making, and assigning associated duties and obligations to health-care providers. Its ethical and legal normative justifications stem from its promotion of patient autonomy, self-determination, bodily integrity and well-being.”

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 This seems to be the most obvious example of this, but there are many other alleged cases. Many people in Africa simple do not trust western doctors who visit Africa with all their medicines

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#71c9dc3667b8

This weekend, a report revealing that African women immigrating to Israel were subjected to mandatory contraceptive injections, effectively amounting to forced (if temporary) sterilization made global headlines.

Some 130,000 Ethiopians, most of them Jewish, live in Israel. The community experiences higher poverty and unemployment rates than the rest of the  country's Jewish population.  In the past decade, the birth rate among Ethiopian-Israelis has declined by at least 20 percent.  Advocacy groups now claim this decline is the result of a birth control regimen forced upon Ethiopian immigrant women.

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One state ruled they could compel a swedish man to be vaccinated for smallpox and later apparently used the same reasoning of law to forcibly sterilize people. What a statement by a Judge ! ! ! Holy Crap !
Maybe this same reasoning could be applied to useless old people sitting around in nursing homes and costing society money.

 This was actually a supreme court decision by Oliver Wendell Holmes.

 I think I heard about this before. The woman here who was sterilized was supposedly depressed at the time but they claimed she was an imbecile

Anyway, an example of damn good reason to maintained informed consent

https://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/november-2016/forced-vaccination-the-tragic-legacy.aspx

Jacobson v. Massachusetts Used for Eugenics in Virginia

In Buck v Bell (1927),26 Holmes ruled that the state of Virginia could use police power to protect the public health by involuntarily sterilizing a poor 17-year old single mother, Carrie Buck, who state officials had incorrectly judged to be morally unfit and mentally retarded – in effect, genetically defective - just like they said Carrie’s daughter and mother were.27

In one of the most chilling statements in American jurisprudence, Holmes declared, “It is better for the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Three generations of imbeciles are enough!


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Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2019, 06:22:03 AM »
Such a waste of taxpayers' money given city will pull order the day hefore case is reviewed.  It is all theater meant to flame hate and divide people.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna993161
Challenge to NYC's measles vaccination order 'overreach' is in the works, lawyer says
Opponents of the city's emergency declaration ordering everyone in a heavily Orthodox Jewish neighborhood to be vaccinated said they will file a lawsuit this week.


Opponents of New York City's emergency declaration ordering everyone in a heavily Orthodox Jewish neighborhood to be vaccinated for measles will file a lawsuit this week, a lawyer working with the group said Wednesday.

Civil rights attorney Michael Sussman called the order threatening to fine residents of four ZIP codes in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn if they refuse to have their children vaccinated "an overreach of authority."

Sussman also represented a group of parents in suburban Rockland County who challenged the county executive's order barring unvaccinated children from indoor public spaces. A state judge sided with the parents and issued a preliminary injunction against the emergency order last week.

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2019, 07:24:22 AM »
Progressives joining the fight against these 'dictatotial' measures.  NYC health commissioner is already backpeddling.

https://amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/create?article_id=5cae5ac4ec23ea000192fa6a
City Threatened With Lawsuit Over Measles Vaccination Order

“Progressives in New York who want to scream and yell about Donald Trump have got to be concerned about the over-exercise of executive authority by executives in our own state,” Sussman said.

He admitted that officials do have some powers during outbreaks of this sort, such as quarantining infected children or keeping unvaccinated children out of schools where measles cases have been found. “What they don’t have the authority to do,” Sussman said, “is to enter these broad, highly intrusive orders, which are effectively dictatorial in nature, which circumvent the law that we have.”
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Still, civil libertarians are raising questions about whether the de Blasio administration’s measles order conforms to that precedent. Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said the emergency declaration indicates the city could forcibly vaccinate people, which she described as “an extreme measure which is not provided for in the law and raises civil liberties concerns about forced medical treatment.”

In an interview on WNYC’s the Brian Lehrer Show Wednesday morning, Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot disputed Lieberman’s interpretation.

“We would never require people to be vaccinated without their consent,” Dr. Barbot said. “We have issued this order to raise people’s awareness..to make sure that they are up to date on their vaccinations that’s the main point here.”
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A 67-year-old man named Sy W., who declined to give his full last name, said that although he believed in vaccination, he didn’t think the city should have the right to tell people what to do with their children.

“They should have the right to say that I don’t want it,” he said. “If a person says that...I don’t want to put it in my child vaccination, I think they should have the right, just as a constitutional right of an individual to be free.”

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“We would never require people to be vaccinated without their consent,” Dr. Barbot said. “We have issued this order to raise people’s awareness..to make sure that they are up to date on their vaccinations that’s the main point here.”

I don’t get it, it seems very criminal to issue a legal threat with regards to vaccination and then say that as your defense. Issuing emergency orders is not how you raise awareness

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I don’t get it, it seems very criminal to issue a legal threat with regards to vaccination and then say that as your defense. Issuing emergency orders is not how you raise awareness

It is literally a violation of state law.  They are in both civil and criminal jeapordy for pushing this.  The police have refused to enforce and Mayor now says "Our goal is not to fine anyone".  Doctors are reporting threats are backfiring and vaccinations are now going down.  It has destroyed all trust in medical departments.