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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2020, 04:42:04 PM »
To be fair I wouldn't go near a Trump rally either but Bernie has the streak for unpredictable events. The others seem tame by comparison. Bloomberg even cut an ad about Bernie bros harassing people at events and online.

You arent kidding.  White Bernie Bros reportedly attacked an African American at one of his rallys for wearing a black guns matter shirt.

https://youtu.be/Z_5iq1Yd_Fo

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2020, 05:58:42 PM »
Another example of what is happening on college campuses: this time University of California Santa Cruz:

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/02/13/caught-on-video-lefty-thugs-trash-college-republican-display-at-university-of-california-santa-cruz/
Caught on Video: Lefty Thugs Trash College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz

There is now something in the local paper, but I cant read it as I have been on the site too much, it is here

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/02/17/investigation-continues-into-student-altercation-with-uc-santa-cruz-college-republicans/




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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #152 on: February 22, 2020, 05:00:45 PM »
Even in progressive Hobart attacking kids wont fly.  They are looking at minimum of a year in prison, most likely 2.5, and everything they own taken in civil suit. Rumor is they had Bernie stickers on the car. 



https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/indiana-couple-drove-boys-with-trump-flags-off-road-police
Indiana couple drove boys with Trump flags off road: police

A northwestern Indiana couple allegedly used a car to force two teenage boys off a road, angered that the twin brothers were riding bicycles adorned with flags supporting President Donald Trump, before ripping one of the sibling's flag from his bike, police said Friday.
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According to a probable cause affidavit, the boys told officers that a vehicle with a man driving and woman passenger followed them before the male driver pulled up nearby and asked one of the boys “if they were Trump supporters” - to which the boy replied that they were.

The driver then swerved at the boys, forcing them onto roadside grass to avoid being struck, according to the affidavit. The driver followed the boys before exiting the car and tearing off the flag from one of the brother's bikes, the affidavit states.

The driver dropped the flag, which was affixed to the bike with fishing pole, ran back to his car and drove off, “but not before running the flag over,” it states.
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In a video posted to Snapchat, allegedly by the couple of their encounter with the boy, shows “the driver turns the wheel sharply as if he saw the boys and wanted to hit them with the vehicle while yelling `ya'll better get home,'" according to the affidavit. A male's voice is then heard telling the female passenger “pull that flag down" in the video which shows the female trying to reach it through her window and her saying, “get closer."

“The female is then heard saying `ya'll scared, just like your president'' and `America is not great'" followed by an expletive, according to the affidavit.

In a second Snapchat video, Perry-Jones allegedly says, “Don't let me see you downtown" to one of the boys and threatens to beat him up.



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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #153 on: February 25, 2020, 07:38:34 PM »
Everyone think about your "public" image. Don't set yourself up for punishment by the crazies. My suggestion is to quietly go by the Democrat & Republican campaign offices, get a yard sign for a no-win candidate from each party. Stick the sign of the LOSING party on the edge of your yard by the street the night of the election. That way the angry people will think that you are on their side but you are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. After the tempers calm, use the sign in your hydroponics tank.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #154 on: March 03, 2020, 09:48:32 AM »
Well it's "Super Tuesday". That's not to say that we won't see some voting shenanigans as tempers flare. I have neighbors down the road from me where one side of the road is festooned with Bernie signs and the other side is equally kitted out with Mike Bloomberg signs. But, thankfully no issues of violence.

We should know, by the end of the day, what the breakdown of voting totals are in the primary. We'll see if one candidate can get the delegate total to be the party leader or if this will be a brokered convention in Milwaukee (which does scare me a little). Also bear in mind that 2 of the 3 front-runners aren't Democrats. Bernie is an "independent" and Bloomberg is a long time Republican so the party politics are a little messy and you can see lifelong Democrats reluctantly going to Biden retreating to at least a known quantity.

Getting past 2020 I have some real questions moving forward. What will the Republicans do in the wake of Trump? What happens as we inevitably see the loss of party leadership like McConnell and Pelosi (neither are spring chickens). I don't know if it comes to violence in the streets but the bumps in the road are clearly coming.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #155 on: March 03, 2020, 03:11:25 PM »
I will say I was a little surprised to see staff at my daughter's school wearing "I Voted" stickers. Now granted I live in Minnesota and we're all some flavor of Democrat up here but announcing you voted in a primary when only one party is having a primary is a little bit more of showing my hand than I'd be comfortable with. My parents instilled that you keep your vote private and announcing that you had a hand in the primary is about as far removed from the secret ballot as one can get.

It did strike me as odd.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #156 on: March 04, 2020, 10:18:41 AM »
Wow the Bernie shenanigans keep going. Bloomberg ducked out and threw his support to Biden. If you're not aware of the dirty tricks going on everyone who ducks out supports Biden and the only candidate to stick it out without a chance to win, Warren, keeps in the race because she splits with Sanders on the extreme end of the party.

I can't make a claim the Democrats are involved in electioneering Bernie out but if they were it wouldn't look any different. All the moderates are aligning behind Biden while they keep Warren in to leech Bernie support.

My friends and family back in Milwaukee are openly joking about buying fire extinguishers and upping their home insurance. Lots of concern about the DNC getting a little out of hand if they walk in with 2 potential candidates and go hammer and tongs between party establishment and a socialist outsider.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #157 on: March 04, 2020, 10:26:20 AM »
I can't make a claim the Democrats are involved in electioneering Bernie out but if they were it wouldn't look any different. All the moderates are aligning behind Biden while they keep Warren in to leech Bernie support.

It isn't just Bernie.  Bloomberg wrote a big 'ole check to the party and word is they took a sizable chunk of that and dumped it in primary races against AOC PAC backed candidates.  It looks like they got wiped.  It is a full on fight against the democratic socialists.  Health related stocks are flying this morning

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #158 on: March 04, 2020, 10:41:07 AM »
It isn't just Bernie.  Bloomberg wrote a big 'ole check to the party and word is they took a sizable chunk of that and dumped it in primary races against AOC PAC backed candidates.  It looks like they got wiped.  It is a full on fight against the democratic socialists.  Health related stocks are flying this morning

Oh, I'm seeing that locally. Bernie tapped Ilhan Omar to be his MN surrogate and Biden trounced him. They are conducting a purge.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #159 on: March 04, 2020, 04:23:32 PM »
Holy cow.  Schumer is essentially calling for attacks on Supreme Court justices.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/04/roberts-schumer-scotus-121490
Roberts slams Schumer for 'dangerous' rhetoric against justices
The chief justice rebuked the Senate minority leader for saying Gorsuch and Kavanaugh ‘will pay the price’ if they cut back abortion rights.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #160 on: March 04, 2020, 08:20:21 PM »
Help avoiding the issues:

No yard signage
No stickers on my car
have a good food supply; now harder to do with zero MRE's or freeze dried items for sale.

Good gas mask that you could use for painting your car, or other items.  Also good safety glasses is also useful.

Good routes, road maps, etc - standard items in a good quality GHB
refresh your bail out bag
good first aide kit

A place to rent a Prius to fit in?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #161 on: March 07, 2020, 09:04:19 AM »
We just watched a coup in the Democrats. You remember how for something like 30 years the "pay to play" was the Clinton Foundation... That's gone and the new moneybags in town is Mike Bloomberg.

That's where I see a sustained risk. It's 2020 and the kingmakers in both parties are doing musical chairs. We're a couple heartbeats from losing both Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi as leadership icons and where do you think each party goes to replace them? That's not the fear of a "fight it out in the streets" civil war. It's more the fear of a massive rudderless ship and a power vacuum at the top. We are dangerously close to a non-functional federal government.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #162 on: March 07, 2020, 09:55:43 AM »
We just watched a coup in the Democrats. You remember how for something like 30 years the "pay to play" was the Clinton Foundation... That's gone and the new moneybags in town is Mike Bloomberg.

No kidding. Just to get them to change the debate rules so he could be in them, he wrote a $400K check to national DNC and spread another $400k among state parties to go along with it.  That was just a first downpayment contribution, talk is total deal is for over a hundred million.  Now he just got them to change again to keep Tulsi Gabbard out of the next debate so as to help Biden.  The DNC is literally selling debate podiums.  The Bernie Bros are furious and it is looking more and more that violent protests are in the works.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #163 on: March 07, 2020, 04:29:45 PM »
I did not understand why Gabbert and Yang (while I might disagree with them) didn't get higher billing. Those were the only 2 in the field who articulated an agenda moving forward.

You have to really scratch your head looking at the Democrats these days. The rockstar coming out of the Obama admin was supposed to be Hillary Clinton. Retrenching back to Biden seems like they swung and missed and this is the best emergency option. I guess it's either that or we turn America into Venezuela.

I'm not really scared of Americans gunning it out in the streets; even with hot tempers we tend to back down. But I do worry about the lack of service when the feds are busy drawing guns on each other. I think the Mueller probe is the perfect metaphor for our failed government on all sides. It starts with wild rumors and ends with a doddering retiree who can't keep his own facts straight.

I guess as a person moving forward what gets me is not my neighbors who disagree but the federal Katrina response. We're not making things work; we're dysgenic on all sides.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #164 on: March 09, 2020, 05:25:51 PM »
I'm becoming increasingly of the opinion that they're just humoring Biden, this time, so they can get him out of the way.  Sort of ". . .it's his turn and we know he's going to lose, so why not do it now so he can't complain. . ."

Then again. . .maybe I'm just grasping at straws in disbelief that they can be that stupid.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #165 on: July 20, 2020, 09:01:28 AM »
Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome. ...

Fox News Sunday, 7/19/20, Chris Wallace interviews Donald Trump

[transcript by me]

Trump: I think mail-in voting is gonna rig the election, I really do.

Wallace: Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?

Trump: I have to say, look, Hillary Clinton asked me the same thing.

Wallace: No, I asked her the same thing at the debate.

Trump: And you know what? She's the one that never accepted --

Wallace: I agree.

Trump: She never accepted her loss, and she looks like a fool.

Wallace: Can you give, can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election?

Trump: I have to see. Look, you, I have to see. No, I'm not gonna just say yes, I'm not gonna say no, and I didn't last time either.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #166 on: July 30, 2020, 08:36:39 AM »
7/30/20: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1288818160389558273

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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

AP, 7/30/20: Trump floats November election delay - but he can't do that

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #167 on: July 30, 2020, 07:02:03 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Bill

AP, 7/30/20: [url=https://hosted.ap.org/article/d203eaa406dc5e7362dfa9e33522195e/trump-floats-election-delay-amid-claims-voting-fraud
Trump floats November election delay - but he can't do that[/url]

maybe, as president, maybe trump should have read the US Constitution? like the 20th ammendment? actually, any of it really.. does he know it actually exists?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2020, 09:29:48 PM »
Wow.

Who would ever have thought this could  happen in the USA? You would have thought someone would have rung a warning bell or something. Shout? Say something? Post something?....So strange... or did people just not look, listen, take heed, or ...

A Fascist dictator? Really? Here, in America? But yet, all 14 of the 14 indicator characteristics for having an autocrat dictator at the head of a country, has now been checked off as of today with this tweet... Yes, here, in America.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

So many people were worried about George Orwells "1984" happening, when maybe they really should have read "It Can't Happen Here", by Sinclair Lewis.

Beau said it best today..
https://youtu.be/TKBoQZfYPaI

Beau is wrong, not everyone thought Trump wouldn't make that statement, many actually thought Trump would. Sadly, many of us were correct. It was proven just a few hours ago.

So, like Beau says, are you in opposition to this? Or are you in on it? Are you going to hold up our Constitution, or help undermine it to destroy it? To destroy our Republic.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you can support Trump in any way, shape or form, and still support the United States of America's Constitution. None. Absolutely none.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2020, 11:15:03 PM »
hi cedar! hope you are doing well. we have missed you here!

i also don't think universal mail-in voting is a good idea when we already have the absentee ballot for those who don't feel voting in person is prudent. too much possibility for fraud or simple error because of inaccurate voting rolls (thus the anecdotes about dead people voting).

that being said -- as much as you are unhappy that trump is president, you should know that many others of us were equally opposed to obama during his years in office and felt the same level of mistrust for him. making a blanket statement that anyone who supports trump cannot support the constitution is truly an unfair and inaccurate statement. so... let's try to keep it civil around here. we can all express our opinions and share information relative to prepping without making statements that tend to attack others who have different political opinions.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #170 on: July 31, 2020, 07:41:33 AM »
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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #171 on: July 31, 2020, 08:01:25 AM »
Cedar is here!  Yayyy!!! ;D

Okay, now... [moderator hat on]:  There have been a few changes here since you left.  In particular, we've (sorta) banned political discussion, because the forum was tearing itself apart.  ("Sorta" meaning we've got a board called Political News, which is theoretically for news and not argument, but nobody is moderating it.)  Outside of the Political News board, though, the forum is supposed to be prepping-centered and apolitical (although you can guess how well that has been working on controversial topics).

Anyway, I'd just like to quote yet again the post that I started this thread with, way back last October:

Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome.  Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence.  They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup.

Can we, as individuals, do any prepping for this possibility?

(This is a touchy subject, and I hope we can stick to the prepping topic, and not get into the politics of which side is right or wrong.  I'd especially like to hear from any of our non-US members who have lived through violent elections in other countries.)

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #172 on: July 31, 2020, 11:46:03 AM »
Both my (divorced) parents live in the burbs of Milwaukee. With all the tension going on right now they have seen a couple patterns and it's tied to the upcoming convention. Dad has (no joke) had 2 neighbors ask him to teach them to use their new rifles because he got a massive amount of firearms training in the 70s along with a free trip to Vietnam. Mom is having flashbacks to when she was younger in 1968 Chicago. She's trying to do an AirBNB getaway for the convention.

I wouldn't call it violence but there is definitely a feeling of unease.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #173 on: August 11, 2020, 10:38:41 AM »
As street violence envelops Chicago, LA, Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis it's hard not to notice the political pattern.

Sorry to say living in a super-lefty downtown looks less and less appealing. Not to say the righties won't do something crazy but right now anywhere super blue and super populated is kind of a no-go-zone.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #174 on: August 11, 2020, 12:27:25 PM »
Yes... with the destruction in Chicago and the vote to de-fund the Seattle police dept., big liberal cities are looking unappealing - although it seems that nearly all big cities tend to be liberal, so... I sort of hate to see this. If those folks who voted for those politicians who are allowing all this mayhem move out to the small towns, they are likely to bring their big city sensibilities with them, which is not good. I'm not convinced that they will learn the lesson in this.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #175 on: August 24, 2020, 02:42:19 PM »
I did have an odd thought about this yesterday. To date our adaptive strategy has been to use the full brunt of the law on conservatives while letting liberals run roughshod. It might even be a good strategy in the sense that we're making the heaviest armed toe a tighter line. Might be a little over the line when you can't hold a gun in your own front yard in gun-friendly Missouri (and I paid attention to this because I have been known to clean a rifle in the backyard) but that's the path we've chosen.

But there's another Missouri story that fits in here. I'm talking about Ken McElroy, the "bully" of Skidmore, Missouri.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

You can read the story but the long and short of it is that Ken was kind of a menace to society and everyone wanted him gone. One day he was shot by at least 2 different guns in broad daylight in his truck with about 35 eyewitnesses. But nobody saw nuthin' and his murder is still unsolved.

I'm not saying it will happen in Portland, Seattle, or NYC. But there are parts of this country where we could have a little more mob justice. And not just because the citizens are over it. Perhaps the police will turn a blind eye. I could see a situation where either the police or the witnesses nullify the law if they think a little violence will return the community to normal. But I'm also wary that once one person gets away with it it will be repeated.

It's kind of my concern that we are closer than ever to vigilantism. Not something I relish.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #176 on: August 25, 2020, 12:29:02 PM »
As street violence envelops Chicago, LA, Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis it's hard not to notice the political pattern.

Sorry to say living in a super-lefty downtown looks less and less appealing. Not to say the righties won't do something crazy but right now anywhere super blue and super populated is kind of a no-go-zone.

Yeah even my fairly liberal wife is warming up to leaving Chicago, even if we live just at the edge.  It's a shame because a lot of these cities are really cool and have a ton of positives to live in, but it's just gotten too hard to justify when people are getting shot 3-4 blocks away and my favorite small businesses are getting looted.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #177 on: August 28, 2020, 07:19:07 AM »
There is not much one can do other than

Keep a low profile
Keep your head on a swivel
Prep for what I would consider a normal unnatural disasters.   (man made versus nature)
Pretty much for the COVID thing + hurricane + strike + more (civil unrest)

Will we give up too much liberty/freedom to be safe?

Sometimes you have to take a stand, but when you do make sure it counts for something good.

For now I see being the grey man as a valid option of keeping one self safe.


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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #178 on: August 28, 2020, 08:13:41 AM »

Being a grey man sounds like a good option.
These continued cop/black killings are keeping us all very concerned.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #179 on: August 29, 2020, 06:16:52 AM »
The problem with being a "grey man" in this particular circumstance is that some people are targeting anyone who does not fit a specific mold.  Unless you look and act within a very tight set of parameters, you will be sought out, you will be confronted and you will be engaged.

It's like finding yourself in a Detroit Redwings post-loss crowd.  If you're not wearing a Redwing shirt, Nikes and a pair of Levi's, someone's going to get into your face, tell you they went to the University of Michigan and demand to know what you're going to call them.  If you don't answer immediately with "Boss" and wave your pet octopus at them, you might not make it home that night.

A "grey man" in this will be directly targeted because he is NOT openly and enthusiastically displaying his support for the Redwings.  Anyone. . .anything different from what the mob wants and expects must be beaten down.  Being a "grey man" is not the solution.

Yes, I realize there's more to this than appearances.  I also realize that a significant portion of being a "grey man" is conflict avoidance and situational awareness. The reality is, however, much more complicated.  You can only remain situationally aware for so long before your efficiency begins to degrade.  With these groups migrating out into business and residential districts, you may turn around from mowing the lawn and find yourself face to face with a crowd that wants to know why you aren't wearing your jersey and why, exactly, you don't have Al hanging off your shoulder while you mow. . .all while holding frozen water bottles, ziploc bags of human feces, baseball bats and skateboards in their hands looking directly at YOU.

Sadly, this discussion is skirting an issue that must be talked about but everyone is afraid of looking or being accused of being a Bad Word.

I'm going to be me.  Sorry, I know that's not the popular thing, right now.  At the end of the day, I know who, and what I am.  I'm going to go where I need to go, not try and start anything, simply not engage anyone (mainly because I generally don't like ANYONE, let alone sports fans) and do what I must to protect myself, my friends and my family.

If that results me in being tried by twelve of my peers, then so be it.   I will not allow myself, or my loved ones, to be carried by six of their friends because of my inaction or fear.

Yeah, I know. . .it skirts the edge.  I understand if a moderator has to take this down.

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