Author Topic: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election (Read 12981 times)

nano. · « **Reply #60 on:** October 31, 2019, 12:25:24 PM »

Looking that that map, I have to call BS on Vermont... The eastern counties in the state are Republican, the western ones by NY border are Blue. This map shows all but Essex County being blue... nope, don't buy it...

Small state I know, we only have 500Kish people here...

But yeah, since first getting on TSP back when Jack was rolling in the Jetta, things have surely gone down the shitter as of late, eh?

iam4liberty · « **Reply #61 on:** October 31, 2019, 02:08:40 PM »

Quote from: nano. on October 31, 2019, 12:25:24 PM

Looking that that map, I have to call BS on Vermont... The eastern counties in the state are Republican, the western ones by NY border are Blue. This map shows all but Essex County being blue... nope, don't buy it...

What do you mean? Those are the 2016 election results by county/parish. You can find county data here or on SOS site:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Vermont

County   Clinton   Votes   Trump   Votes   Others   Votes   Total
Addison   59.0%   11,219   27.8%   5,297   13.2%   2,515   19,031
Bennington   54.9%   9,539   34.1%   5,925   11.0%   1,917   17,381
Caledonia   45.8%   6,445   39.3%   5,534   14.9%   2,095   14,074
Chittenden   65.7%   54,814   22.3%   18,601   12.0%   10,001   83,416
Essex   34.8%   1,019   51.5%   1,506   13.7%   400   2,925
Franklin   43.7%   9,351   40.9%   8,752   15.5%   3,308   21,411
Grand Isle   51.0%   2,094   36.2%   1,487   12.9%   528   4,109
Lamoille   56.7%   7,241   28.0%   3,570   15.3%   1,951   12,762
Orange   51.5%   7,541   34.2%   5,007   14.3%   2,101   14,649
Orleans   43.0%   5,185   42.8%   5,159   14.1%   1,702   12,046
Rutland   46.0%   13,635   42.1%   12,479   11.8%   3,501   29,615
Washington   59.8%   18,594   25.7%   7,993   14.5%   4,499   31,086
Windham   63.4%   14,340   24.1%   5,454   12.6%   2,840   22,634
Windsor   58.7%   17,556   28.8%   6,805   12.6%   3,767   28,128

scoop · « **Reply #62 on:** October 31, 2019, 03:03:50 PM »

IMO, it would have to get a whole lot worse for anyone who's not a liberal/progressive/socialist/anarchist to go out in the streets and bust some heads.
And my advise to those who want to do something about this kangaroo court currently in session I have this to say;
"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying themselves".

David in MN · « **Reply #63 on:** November 01, 2019, 11:05:53 AM »

I guess we're pretty lucky that conservatives spend their time at church and raising families. As I've thought this over the past couple days the specter of 63 million Tim McVeighs is a little unsettling. We'd be in the dark ages.

There is something to the fact that conservatives refrain from retaliating against routine liberal rioting and unrest. I doubt dad would show up to a fight with a milkshake. It'd be more like a .308.

And maybe the really scary thought about right wingers is the skill set breakdown. We're going into a civil war where one side has the veterans, engineers, and tradesmen and the other side has teachers and lawyers (painting with a broad brush here but the math bears it out)?

I guess I've never really thought about it because I'm a peaceful guy but I have the skill set to build an aircraft (done it) and I've seen a friend make dynamite in his kitchen (don't do that kids). If you pool up my conservative/libertarian friends it's a laundry list of trades, engineers, combat vets, and others who could make your day very bad. And we think a good day is spent at the gun range and having beers around a campfire. I've never thought of the mayhem one of those groups could do. It would be ugly.

I don't know why conservatives tend to be less willing to be violent but if you just assess on the ability to cause damage... Holy crap. You move from a downtown riot to "the transfer station is on fire and the water main is cut". Ugly.

iam4liberty · « **Reply #64 on:** November 04, 2019, 05:26:42 PM »

Looks like we wont have to wait for after the election to see the flare ups. Antifa has already morphed into a group of violent street thugs being used to target political rivals.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-attack-portland-sentenced-halloween-home
Journalist attacked by Antifa describes Halloween incident at his home: 'It looked like something out of The Purge'

Prosecutors should be more vigilant in bringing charges against members of Antifa and push for prison time, said journalist Andy Ngo, describing a "terrifying" Halloween incident in which a group of men tried to force their way into his home.

Ngo discussed the case of an Antifa activist who was sentenced to six years in prison for cracking a man's skull open during a demonstration at which he was present in Portland, Oregon. He said the assailant's allies have gotten off easy and urged law enforcement to double their efforts.

"I wanted to point out this is only the second violent Antifa criminal across the United States to face actual prison time," he said Monday on "America's Newsroom."

FreeLancer · « **Reply #65 on:** November 04, 2019, 11:04:15 PM »

Interesting read about Andy Ngo: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

iam4liberty · « **Reply #66 on:** November 05, 2019, 06:30:19 AM »

Quote from: FreeLancer on November 04, 2019, 11:04:15 PM

Interesting read about Andy Ngo: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

LOL. I love these Rolling Stone hit pieces. They skill and time they take in trying to wrap reality into a pretzel is a work of art.

David in MN · « **Reply #67 on:** November 06, 2019, 03:22:05 PM »

It's OK to try to kill a man because he spoke politely with unsavory folks? Hunter S Thompson rode with the Hell's Angels and Nellie Bly checked into a bad asylum. That's what journalists do. Max Kellerman and Joe Rogan will literally turn from one fighter to his opponent and treat each with respect and honesty. We have better civility in a boxing ring than the city streets of Portland.

iam4liberty · « **Reply #68 on:** November 10, 2019, 12:08:41 PM »

First time ANTIFA was ever mentioned in services today. I hadnt yet heard about the church desecrations by ANTIFA groups this week. Not a good look. So now discussions of beefing up security further against ANTIFA mobs have started all over the world.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-11-08/chilean-catholic-church-looted-by-vandals-as-protests-rage
Church Looted by Vandals as Protests Rage in Chile's Capital
Hooded protesters in Chile have looted a church near the main gathering site of mass demonstrations against the government over inequality.

Lots of local video and images on social media.

Antifa profaniert katholische Kirchen in Chile
Es sieht so aus, als ob der Tabernakel geplündert worden wäre.

Carver · « **Reply #69 on:** November 11, 2019, 08:20:41 PM »

Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.

rustyknife · « **Reply #70 on:** November 12, 2019, 12:09:12 PM »

Quote from: Carver on November 11, 2019, 08:20:41 PM

Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.

Yes, I agree with you. A slippery greasy slide down hill.

fritz_monroe · « **Reply #71 on:** November 12, 2019, 07:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Carver on November 11, 2019, 08:20:41 PM

Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.

Nope, your observations are exactly right. After all TPTB can never let a good crisis go to waste.

Gamer · « **Reply #72 on:** November 14, 2019, 07:00:33 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Bill on October 06, 2019, 05:20:56 PM

Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome. Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence. They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup.
Can we, as individuals, do any prepping for this possibility?

If law and order breaks down, then a man's gotta do....

Check out the film 'Panic in Year Zero' (1962) starring Ray Milland as a decent caring family man who switches into ruthless survival mode in the aftermath of a nuke attack in order to protect himself and his family, so he's a great role model for us all.
I watched it on youtube a while back but now it seems to have vanished apart from this trailer-

https://youtu.be/g0vMgIQVicQ

PS- in case the trailer vanishes too, here's a shot from a scene in the film where Milland tracks down two teenagers who messed with his daughter and catches them defenceless and unarmed. Will he kill them in cold blood or not? That'd be telling..

(SPOILER ALERT- If you're dying to know the answer, the fact is that yes, he blows them both away.)

Mr. Bill · « **Reply #73 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:06:51 PM »

Quote from: Gamer on November 14, 2019, 07:00:33 AM

...a decent caring family man who switches into ruthless survival mode in the aftermath of a nuke attack in order to protect himself and his family, so he's a great role model for us all. ...

Yep, that's been a standard wet dream in survivalist fiction for a long time. The good guys are always 100% good, the bad guys are always 100% bad, there's no question of mistaken identity, there's no question of whether the punishment is in proportion to the crime, so you don't need a trial, you just need a good guy with a rifle.

Antifa will be following this same great role model when they go out and start killing people they consider to be Nazis. The alt-crazies have already been following it when they massacre "invaders". If this is the way things are headed, we're in a lot of trouble.

Somewhat related topic: Do many preppers actually hope for an economic collapse?

David in MN · « **Reply #74 on:** November 14, 2019, 04:14:12 PM »

Is there any solace in our recent experiences? Not that things are ideal but in both Charlottesville and the Bundy stuff as soon as one person is killed it seems everybody steps back with a "shit got real" moment. That does give me hope. Passions flare and people make poor decisions but when confronted with real mortality it seems even the most ardent back off. Not to diminish the horror of the loss of life but it seems like one death and we all realize our humanity. Kathy Griffen got shut down for her Robespierre look. Maybe there is a collective humanity has a better angel in our souls?

Morning Sunshine · « **Reply #75 on:** November 14, 2019, 05:05:04 PM »

Quote from: David in MN on November 14, 2019, 04:14:12 PM

Is there any solace in our recent experiences? Not that things are ideal but in both Charlottesville and the Bundy stuff as soon as one person is killed it seems everybody steps back with a "shit got real" moment. That does give me hope. Passions flare and people make poor decisions but when confronted with real mortality it seems even the most ardent back off. Not to diminish the horror of the loss of life but it seems like one death and we all realize our humanity. Kathy Griffen got shut down for her Robespierre look. Maybe there is a collective humanity has a better angel in our souls?

+1 for the Reign of Terror reference. I love it when history is known

Gamer · « **Reply #76 on:** November 15, 2019, 07:14:43 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Bill on November 14, 2019, 01:06:51 PM

Yep, that's been a standard wet dream in survivalist fiction for a long time. The good guys are always 100% good, the bad guys are always 100% bad, there's no question of mistaken identity, there's no question of whether the punishment is in proportion to the crime, so you don't need a trial, you just need a good guy with a rifle.

WE are the good guys..

So if it hits the fan we can plug the bad guys with a clear conscience to protect ourselves and our families, no rules in a knife fight..

David in MN · « **Reply #77 on:** November 17, 2019, 09:54:06 AM »

There is some magic here that gives me hope. We boast the peaceful transition of power. We didn't hang the loyalists after our revolution. We had Reconstruction in the South. We went from bombing to the Berlin Airlift in one generation. Despite our leadership that continually gets us embroiled in global conflict continually Americans have never had a stomach for excess violence. Our "Boston Massacre" left 5 dead. Not exactly like France, Russia, or Germany.

And everyone gets this 180 degrees wrong. This is the land where 2 cowboys could meet in a field with Colt revolvers and Bowie knives and walk away after a chat. There are households with more weaponry than their local police (include me here). Our safety is our collective distaste for what we know we are capable of.

I do worry this lesson is being lost, particularly in young leftists, but is still our heritage. We've never been a people who do what we're capable of. We "pick on someone our own size", "don't kick a man who is down", "don't punch below the belt". It gives me hope when I see a people who in the throws of combat hold their ethics.

Not a reason to not prep but maybe a reason to keep the candle of hope burning. These are trying times but this people defeated slavery and the Nazis. We've made mistakes but I think we can move forward.

iam4liberty · « **Reply #78 on:** November 18, 2019, 01:50:55 PM »

Number one hot spot, heed the words:

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14000
However, despite her experience, Kestecher, who is only in her first semester of college, says she’s willing to stay involved in politics: “The more that they push back on me the more I’m going to keep pushing forward.”

iam4liberty · « **Reply #79 on:** November 24, 2019, 08:20:30 AM »

Media refuses to cover it, but patience is gone with the blocking of traffic by ANTIFA and Extinction Rebellion. Seen dozens of incidences like this in Poland and UK:

https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1197894502758912005?s=19

Lots of reports again of importing of baseball bats into these countries where people don't play baseball.

iam4liberty · « **Reply #80 on:** December 05, 2019, 02:22:10 PM »

Gotta love the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/amp/internacional-50593015
Americans preparing for an 'apocalypse' caused by political polarization

FreeLancer · « **Reply #81 on:** December 05, 2019, 02:31:10 PM »

Portuguese?

David in MN · « **Reply #82 on:** December 12, 2019, 01:13:54 PM »

Put yourself in the shoes of my boring conservative parents. I mean the people who go to the early church service because it's more conservative. They're going to witness the impeachment of their president over a 2 minute phone call while the previous president used the IRS to target conservatives and ferried rifles to Mexican drug cartels.

Oh but that's all "whataboutism" and there is no history.

If you can look at this and not think the conservatives are getting hot under the collar look again. I mean there's the super criminal act of asking a Ukraine president to look into criminal actions which is definitely not the normal presidential behavior of turning Syria into a slave state, fomenting false wars in Iraq, using the IRS as a weapon, handing guns to narcos, getting blown by your intern, or hanging with Jeff Epstein.

What scares me about conservatives... They're right. Liberal women will line up to falsify rape charges at Kavinaugh. The media will blame schoolchildren who were assaulted by a drummer.

When I talk to my boring conservative parents.... They kinda get this. Liberals will accuse them of rape out of thin air. Liberal presidents will audit them. The IRS is a liberal weapon. The CIA and FBI are run by former Marxists. The socialist left runs this country.

Pretend I'm an insane person but just walk it through. If I was to say that the boring churchgoing conservatives were being targeted by the IRS, CIA, FBI, and men who fuck their interns would I be wrong?

There's a nugget of truth here. Righteous and violent is a bad combination.

Black November · « **Reply #83 on:** December 12, 2019, 04:36:54 PM »

Practice de-escalation techniques

https://www.policeone.com/police-training/articles/shift-briefing-series-taking-an-integrated-approach-to-de-escalation-wyT6oh4ZXMEYGItl/

iam4liberty · « **Reply #84 on:** December 12, 2019, 08:12:05 PM »

Quote from: FreeLancer on December 05, 2019, 02:31:10 PM

Portuguese?

BBC often does articles in multiple languages. Press the button for English. If the browser isn't compatible, google translate can do it:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/internacional-50593015&prev=search

David in MN · « **Reply #85 on:** December 13, 2019, 09:33:03 AM »

There's a certain point where you find yourself in a Lincolnian total war and it really doesn't matter if you're the anti-slavery southerner when Sherman burns your fields and starves your kids. Ifyou are a prominent conservative women will falsely accuse you of rape and face no consequence.

The conservative neo-Trumpian backlash is clear. He gets excoriated for "mean tweets" and faces impeachment over completely made up Russian hoax and a phone call to a Ukrainian. And I'll say it... Hunter Biden belongs in prison. So do the democrats behind the IRS scandal, Fast & Furious, whoever greenlit using drones on Americans, and Hillary Clinton for going on national TV to joke about a Libyan president who was sodomized to death with a bayonet while that shellshocked country devolved under her watch to the point of open air child sex slave markets. Joe Biden can sniff fondle little girls because he votes the right way.

Understand to my parents I'm a wild eyed libertarian anarchist but they aren't wrong when they get incensed. My dad had to go to Vietnam and suffer napalm burns to fight the communists who later controlled the FBI (James Comey advocated an unconditional surrender by Reagan to the Soviets and the disarming of the American populous).

So when I look at conservatives nowadays they have no time for warhawks like the neocons Bush or Hillary or John McCain who gave weapons to ISIS. Conservatism is rediscovering their Burkean history and guys like Paul Gottfried are cropping up again. Whatever is happening in conservatism is a radical shift. If I was to say in 2003 that by 2019 the conservatives would rediscover anti-militarism and "America First" nobody would have believed me. It's rather telling to hear dad say this "isn't the country I bled for" or mom donating her Ayn Rand books to local libraries.

I can't really put my finger on this but there is something happening under umbrella "conservatism". When I talk to my dad and he has gone from saying he could never again hold a gun because of the unspeakable horrors of Vietnam to nowadays talking about getting that AR something has changed. I don't know what this means but I'm very sympathetic to conservatives who look as liberals run roughshod over our laws with no consequence. Maybe part of it is that I came from conservatism so I speak their language and boy is that language changing.

I wish I had clearer thoughts here. I will say the Democrats are going unabashed socialist, the Republicans are going old-school and us libertarians are digging out of a dumpster fire as the Mises caucus tries to supplant the beltway types. It's a weird time and our bedfellows have never been stranger. Does that make for violence? Don't know.

fritz_monroe · « **Reply #86 on:** December 13, 2019, 01:36:02 PM »

David, you've mentioned a couple of times about your conservative parents. You mentioned that because you came from conservatives, you speak their language.

Keep in mind that in the minds of the radical left, unless you have the same views as they have, you are the enemy. So to them, you are conservative, just like your parents.

I'm center and lean a bit conservative, and I know that in their eyes, I'm the enemy. Let's not forget that as a white male, I'm the root of everything evil.

LvsChant · « **Reply #87 on:** December 13, 2019, 03:24:28 PM »

I was also raised by very conservative parents and still consider myself pretty conservative in many things. I think I'm more libertarian than Republican these days, but still find myself voting against the crazy socialists and their local bond issues, so the end result is often the same as before.

iam4liberty · « **Reply #88 on:** December 13, 2019, 08:08:09 PM »

Who could have ever predicted this?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-protests-in-london-following-conservative-landslide-win/
BREAKING: Antifa protests in London following Conservative landslide win

The British capital descended into chaos as the Met Police struggled to contain protesters connected to antifa, socialist and communist groups. They had shut down the streets in and around Westminster. They demanded a “revolution” and the ousting of the Conservatives.

Protesters disobeyed police orders and shoved officers who attempted to block them from certain routes. At one point, officers brandished batons at the crowd to get them to comply.

The protesters held anti-Boris Johnson signs distributed by the Socialist Workers Party. Others, wearing masks, brandished antifa flags.

The on-going chaotic protest echoes left-wing demonstrations-turned-riots in the U.S. after Donald Trump’s electoral win in November 2016.

David in MN · « **Reply #89 on:** December 14, 2019, 08:55:12 AM »

Well you've got to look around at what is acceptable behavior. College liberals can do half a million in damage at Berkeley to prevent Ben Shapiro from talking. You can wear a Che Guevara shirt despite his being a child rapist. For all the manufactured outrage at Trump McCabe and Strozk were talking impeachment the day of the election so pardon my lack of belief in the impartiality of this process. Obama's heads of the FBI and CIA were communists. Every democrat running for president wants to use our taxes to pay for free heathcare for illegals. In our liberal bastion of NYC you can't get a 20 ounce soda and forget about a straw. And they are having serious talks over criminalizing "misgendering" while requiring I memorize all 75 genders.

Our FISA court will renew a search warrant based on the Steele dossier because it's OK for Hillary Clinton to use British and Ukraine intelligence but asking Zalinski to look into Hunter Biden is beyond the pale. I mean they guy has a multimillion dollar no-show job in a language he doesn't speak and pisses it away on cocaine and strippers but he votes the right way.

And even if you get through the legal mess we still have Facebook execs openly talking about swinging elections for democrats at company meetings. Youtube demonetizes conservative channels. Twitter shadowbans right wingers. Our big tech is hand in glove with liberals.

My possessions are already illegal in California. Not just the guns but the varnishes and finishing products. I already have to sign off that I acknowledge wood is known to California to cause cancer. It's wood. It grows outside.

So where is this vast right wing power base? I don't see it anywhere. We won't even grant the presumption of innocence to Duke lacrosse players or Catholic schoolboys. Liberals openly talk about expanding abortion to after birth.

I'm sorry but as much as my libertarians are in a mess (the infighting resulting from Johnson/Weld is ugly) I can see the validity of conservative outrage.

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Author Topic: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election (Read 12981 times)

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