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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2019, 11:36:49 AM »
...This is a touchy subject, and I hope we can stick to the prepping topic, and not get into the politics of which side is right or wrong. ...

Please?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2019, 02:18:33 PM »
Sorry if I got a little off my rocker. Happens. If I'm blunt the stuff that is scaring me is the transition period. If Obamacare was a disastrous launch what will putting 330,000,000 Americans on Medicare look like? I'm guessing some hiccups. And we have cities where the police won't show up if a theft is under $1000.

I'm not super worried about violence because the only 2 violent events where damage was done were Berkeley and Charlottesville and let's call a spade a spade that the big white supremecist event got 200 attendees. They couldn't sway a small town mayoral election. And if I'm blunt the Daily Stormer guys have fled the country, Matt Heimbach of the Traditionalist Workers' Party (the real Nazis) got caught banging his step-mom, and the "crying Nazi" Cantwell has been shut down on every platform including being denied banking services. And while I'd like to think the left should be better policed I can't imagine BAMN, ANTIFA, or itsgoingdown.org have many cheerleaders.

That's not to say I don't have concerns. I'm worried because groups like BLM have shut down freeways and local to me Identity Evropa have a following and believe me I know about RAMM and the "liftwaffe". Yes, neonazis who take steroids. What could go wrong? But these are all fringy and have no broad appeal. Even Joe Biden's endorsement of ANTIFA came off hamhanded and made him look foolish.

I guess I have more belief in the banality of evil.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #92 on: December 19, 2019, 01:25:18 PM »
why do you think it wont get worse than berkeley and charlottesville by any side?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2020, 03:59:27 PM »
So more perspective on what to prepare for given election outcomes.  Bernie Sanders staffers preparing to burn down Milwaukee, beat police,  and trigger widespread violence in certain cities if they lose.  If they win they are planning to set up gulags for everyone who voted against them because, you know, Stalin's gulags just got a bad rap...they were really great

https://washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/14/project-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i/
Project Veritas: Sanders staffer says 'cities burn' if Trump reelected, predicts violence at DNC

A Project Veritas video released Tuesday showed a man identified as a campaign organizer for Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, saying “cities burn” if President Trump wins reelection and predicting violence against police at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee.
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Asked what would happen if Mr. Trump is reelected, the man described as Sanders campaign field organizer Kyle Jurek said, “F–ing cities burn,” adding, “I mean, we don’t have a lot of time left, we have to save f–ing human civilization.”
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“We’re going to make 1978 [1968] look like a f–ing Girl Scout f–ing cookout,” he said, adding, “The cops are going to be the ones that are getting f–ing beaten in Milwaukee. They’re going to call out the National Guard for that s—t. I promise you that.”

He was apparently referring to the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, where police famously clashed with protesters.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #94 on: January 14, 2020, 04:12:11 PM »
Wonder if anyone will be asking Bernie what he thinks about his campaign field organizer's statements. 

Oh, that's right, never mind.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2020, 04:31:58 PM »
I hope someone does ask...Maybe trump officials will ask.....

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2020, 06:02:22 AM »
Sounds like that could be a terroristic threat. Is the guy still roaming the streets?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2020, 07:08:35 AM »
Let me ask another serious question... We're a little from Iowa and Bernie just suffered a heart attack. Donald Trump eats like a teen pothead. What happens if we have an election and both candidates die? When Paul Wellstone died both parties turned it into a shit show. We had riots and school disruptions at colleges and roads were shut down. Then conservatives got on the air and said it was all lefty stuff and unemployed idiots (we know the drill) and even though every sane person walked back knowing that the timing was bad and it's hard to have the sudden death of a senator with no plan for memorial or succession there were plenty of idiots on both sides to fill that vacuum.

Party affiliation aside, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden are not young and not looking healthy or quick. And think of the damage Clinton did to herself in 2016 with her coughing fits and feinting out of her shoes. What would happen if the last savior political candidate (either side) dies?

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2020, 07:31:47 AM »
Party affiliation aside, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden are not young and not looking healthy or quick. And think of the damage Clinton did to herself in 2016 with her coughing fits and feinting out of her shoes. What would happen if the last savior political candidate (either side) dies?

That is a very good question.  Add Ginsburg to that mix as both sides violate so many election laws that the SCOTUS is always involved.

For republicans it is easy.  Pence would become nominee and probably add a senator as VP.  For dems it would become a bunch of lobsters in a bucket. Another interesting question is what becomes of the campaign war chests.  Those campaign treasurers would become very powerful political figures controlling the money.

In last debate Biden looked like he was having a series of mini-strokes.  He couldnt put two sentances together without stumbling.  His campaign also reportedly cut back on appearances after 8 PM.  Bernie looked remarkably good guven his heart condition. Pelosi this week has also been stumbling and rattling on so that noone understands what she is talking about.

Not sure how public would react.

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Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2020, 09:22:02 AM »
Of the bunch Biden looks the worst. And I'll confess I'd love to see an olive branch to Ginsberg and replace her with another she approves of because it's really hard to see a person who is clearly at the last stage clinging to her position for politics rather than being with her family.

There's a bigger story here I've been struggling with. It the whole "the parties are a shambles" thing. 2016 was a bloodbath for the Democrats and it's amazing how names like Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazil just went away. The DNC establishment became a power vacuum. The Republicans have fared little better as Megyn Kelly scuttled her career and in the Trump/never Trump battle we lost National Review nad the neocons are on the fence.

Whether you like him or not John McCain (the slimy warmonger) went on the Tonight Show to laugh about conceding to Obama. That's a healing moment. That's like a stable system where we can healthily joke over our failures. When I was a kid being a D or an R wasn't a big deal because we looked up to charitable Carter and farmhand Reagan. But look at 2016... After cheating with the DNC to screw Bernie (and the Bernie people have earned the chip on their shoulder) and using CNN to plan debate questions Hillary couldn't so much as give a concession speech? And while I actually believe that Reagan just wanted to be the American cowboy and Carter just wanted to serve his neighbors (which I think of as American ideals) we've seen Bush and Obama just slink away instead of being elder statesmen.

I am struggling to articulate this. What I'm at is that I like slow moving agreeable politics where we laugh at ourselves and realize at the end of the day we just want to see happy kids and have a lemonade on the porch things go well. When the long established parties start going bump in the night and we get (jeeze) a new upstart like the Republicans we have a Civil War right behind them. Or the Democrats fractionalize and we have mayhem in Chicago and the National Guard establishing order on college campuses as the draft letters are sent out.

Michael Malice has a contextual (if not perfectly accurate) joke about nation-states. In one of their epic arguments Jefferson told Hamilton the British system was corrupt. Hamilton had a very sagacious reply that basically the slop in the system is what made it work. It's the House of Commons open insults and then tea time that hold it together. When you have events where rigid idealogues entrench the world falls apart.

I am very worried that both parties are dissolving into frayed fractions. Pelosi has lost control and the new voice of the right is Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity? Do you remember like 20 years ago when Tucker sparred with Paul Begala and Hannity had to deal with the snipey comedian Colmes?

Maybe I'm all wet. But this is the big disaster I see coming. Both world wars were nothing more than unwavering political factions and our own Civil War was an event where thousands of young men showed up with dad's rifle and a Bowie knife. As much as I hate politicians having one to pump the brakes is almost always a blessing.

Soapbox rant over. I hope I was cohesive... 2nd cup of coffee and all.

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Scanned the other responses.. did someone mention soft and perhaps hard body armor? Not that I see myself going walkabout and needing it but if the S really hits the F then even those in stationary OPLP positions would benefit from a little ballistic protection.

Water, food and fuel are easy ones.

Black plastic for those in urban environments to keep good light control if things go dark.

A well stocked GHB is a must.


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If your working on government projects, probably good idea to carry.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-allegedly-kills-pro-trump-boss-argument-throws/story?id=68444984
Man allegedly kills pro-Trump boss after argument, throws American flag on his body

A construction worker in Florida has been accused of murdering his pro-Trump boss with a trowel after a political argument on the construction site where they both worked and then throwing an American flag on the man’s body.

The incident occurred on Monday morning at approximately 10:30 a.m. when emergency dispatchers received a call from co-workers saying that Mason Trever Toney, 28, had stabbed and killed their boss, 28-year-old William Steven Knight on the Florida Turnpike job site, according to the arrest affidavit obtained by ABC News’ Orlando affiliate WFTV.

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office says that the murder appears related to a political dispute between the men. Knight was a big supporter of President Donald Trump while Toney was anti-government.