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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #330 on: July 22, 2020, 10:18:36 AM »
I see in the news that Wuhan is now flooding.  So is the flood near the lab.  If the wet market was near the lab I would guess that the lab was in the centerish of town.  I would guess that if the lab was built correctly it should not be able to be flooded, but we can only hope.  Floods destroy paperwork/records and lord knows what would "wash out" of the lab if it did flood. 

There are too many ifs, should and hopes in the that statement to make me comfortable.  With this situation I am very worried about something else escaping in the flood and now comprised population.  On top of that all evidence can be "destroyed in the flood".

Sorry my tinfoil is showing

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #331 on: July 22, 2020, 10:36:23 AM »
I see in the news that Wuhan is now flooding.  So is the flood near the lab.  If the wet market was near the lab I would guess that the lab was in the centerish of town.  I would guess that if the lab was built correctly it should not be able to be flooded, but we can only hope.  Floods destroy paperwork/records and lord knows what would "wash out" of the lab if it did flood. 

There are too many ifs, should and hopes in the that statement to make me comfortable.  With this situation I am very worried about something else escaping in the flood and now comprised population.  On top of that all evidence can be "destroyed in the flood".

Sorry my tinfoil is showing

Yes.  The lab is on a lake on one side and the river a couple miles on the other side.  Lots of speculation on Chinese social media about the flooding as they released the water from the reservoirs just before UN inspectors were to begin work.  The flooding is definitely intentional as it is released from the resevoir.  But no one has come forward with evidence that it was done to suppress evidence.

https://www.wionews.com/world/is-china-deliberately-flooding-wuhan-to-flush-out-evidence-311451
Is China deliberately flooding Wuhan to flush out evidence?

Jennifer Zeng, an activist recently claimed that this move was undertaken intentionally, and that Chinese authorities are deliberately flooding cities in the Hubei province to purge out the evidence against China and its role in the coronavirus pandemic.

A World Health Organization team is scheduled to visit China next week to investigate the origins of the virus, and will probe how the zoonotic virus jumped from animals to humans.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #332 on: July 23, 2020, 08:45:56 AM »
Talk throughout science community is that the defecting scientists have been giving up the goods on spyjng by Chinese military to get bioweapon technology.  Texas and California Universities were main entry points with documents fed back through consulates.  Potentially dozen Chinese military officers were posing as students and gaining access to sensitive facilities through the thousand talents program.  Rumors of further arrests of professors with secret payments from China through offshore banks.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5492095002
FBI believes Chinese researcher with links to Beijing's military in hiding in consulate in San Francisco

The FBI believes that a Chinese scientist with links to Beijing's military is hiding out in China's consulate in San Francisco in order to evade arrest after she was accused of visa fraud, according to filings in the U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

The revelation comes after Washington said it ordered Beijing to close its consulate in Houston, Texas, by Friday amid espionage accusations – a move China vowed to retaliate against as relations between the two superpowers plumb new lows over coronavirus, trade and Beijing's move to claim more authority over Hong Kong.

According to the court filings, Tang Juan, a biology researcher at the University of California, Davis, was questioned by the FBI on June 20 and charged with visa fraud six days later. Investigators allege she falsely claimed on her visa application that she had not served in the Chinese military. However, photos of her in a Chinese military uniform were discovered and it was later ascertained that she had worked as a researcher at China’s Air Force Military Medical University (FMMU), according to the filings.


https://abc13.com/amp/fire-chinese-consulate-documents-being-burned-houston-us-and-china-tensions/6328284/
DOCUMENTS BURNED ON THE GROUNDS OF THE CHINESE CONSULATE IN HOUSTON

The U.S. said in a brief statement that the consulate was ordered closed "to protect American intellectual property and American's private information." It did not provide any details.

Media reports in Houston said that authorities had responded to reports of a fire at the Chinese Consulate. Witnesses said that people were burning paper in what appeared to be trash cans.

"It appears to be open burning in a container within the courtyard of the Chinese consulate facility. It does not appear to be an unconfined fire but we have not been allowed access. We are standing by and monitoring," said Chief Sam Pena.


https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/university-of-texas-investigated-for-links-to-wuhan-lab/article_66241dda-8e62-11ea-aa55-7f9876bc210e.html
University of Texas investigated for links to Wuhan lab

The University of Texas system is being investigated by the U.S. Department of Education for its involvement with the infectious diseases laboratory in Wuhan, China, and its potential links to Beijing and roughly 24 Chinese state-owned companies, including telecom giant Huawei, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
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The Education Department's Office of General Counsel sent a letter to Chancellor James Milliken last week requesting that it provide documentation of its dealings with the Chinese laboratory U.S. officials now believe was where the coronavirus was experimented on and leaked from, despite prior conflicting reports.
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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #333 on: July 25, 2020, 11:46:55 AM »
The defectors are making quick work at helping dismantle the Chinese spy network. The below article highlights one way they operate. Amazing how many were on the take. 

At this point we have to assume China has all the US biotechnology including former bioweapons research.  So what happens in future when there is another "natural" outbreak from Wuhan?  If we dont get a handle on this we will be facing COVID-20, COVID-21, COVID-22, etc. This is more danderous than nuclear proliferation. The international community must compell them to close down these biolabs. 

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/china-operative-pleads-guilty-to-spying-in-u-s-11595629687
China Operative Pleads Guilty to Spying in U.S.
Singaporean national said he recruited U.S. Defense and State Department employees to unwittingly gather intelligence for Chinese government


The Trump administration has ramped up efforts to root out Chinese spies, researchers and others engaged in what the administration says is a full-scale effort to steal intellectual property and other secrets. Such espionage was cited as a reason for closing the Chinese consulate in Houston. In retaliation, Beijing on Friday ordered the closure of the U.S. consulate in Chengdu, a city in southwestern China.
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It offers a “peek into the playbook” of Chinese intelligence, the acting U.S. Attorney in Washington, Michael Sherwin, whose office brought the case, said. “It shows how they operate in our backyard…and use networking to target soft targets,” Mr. Sherwin said.

Mr. Yeo is scheduled to be sentenced in October, and faces up to 10 years in prison. The Chinese embassy didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

In November, Mr. Yeo was returning to the U.S. when he was stopped by law enforcement at an airport, questioned, and eventually arrested, the statement of his offense said.
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“On more than one occasion, Yeo received the exact same tasking from all of his [intelligence] contacts, leading Yeo to surmise that there is one central authority in Beijing that disseminates research questions to various components,” the court document said.

Mr. Yeo used a January 2019 to July 2019 stint in the Washington, D.C. area to generate contacts, it said. According to his LinkedIn profile, Mr. Yeo said he was a doctoral fellow at George Washington University during that time “working on the foreign policy of smaller strategic states in light of US-China competition.”

A spokeswoman for GW said that Mr. Yeo was a visiting scholar at the university for six months in 2019, adding that he had no employment or student relationship with the university and didn’t receive any funding from GW.
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Mr. Yeo expanded his activities in 2018, when an unidentified handler told him to create a fake consulting company and advertise job opportunities for it online, according to the filing.

Mr. Yeo did so, using the same name as a prominent U.S. firm that does public and government relations work, it said. Mr. Yeo’s LinkedIn profile said he worked at Resolute Consulting and KWR International Inc. in 2018 and 2019.
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Mr. Yeo’s Chinese intelligence contacts gave him a bank card to pay his American contacts and told him not to communicate with Chinese handlers when he traveled to the U.S. due to concerns the U.S. government would intercept their communications. They also told him to use multiple phones and to change his account on the Chinese messaging platform WeChat every time he contacted them, the court filing said.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #334 on: August 02, 2020, 10:39:25 PM »
The information she previously provided has been verified. Timing in her deposition also matches one-to-one with previously constructed timeline by intelligence sources. The data files she smuggled out have also reportedly been handed over.  They are going to be rigorously reviewed to verify authenticity for sure. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12291760/china-scientist-coronavirus-leak-military-lab/amp/
Chinese scientist who fled to US claims coronavirus came from a ‘military lab’

A CHINESE virologist who fled to the US as she feared she would be killed has claimed the coronavirus came from a military lab.

Dr Li Meng-Yan, a specialist in virology at Hong Kong's School of Public Health, says she "clearly assessed" Covid-19 came from a lab linked to the People's Liberation Army.

China has previously faced allegations it covered up the early days of the coronavirus outbreak and has angrily dismissed claims the virus may have come from a lab.

Dr Li however claimed the source of the outbreak was a military lab which she had discovered while studying person-to-person transmission of the virus.

Speaking during a livestream interview with Lude Press, she claimed she was not taken seriously when she reported her findings to her boss, reports Taiwan News.

Dr Li said: "At that time, I had clearly assessed that the virus came from a Chinese Communist Party military lab.

"The Wuhan wet market was just used as a decoy."
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Dr Li feared if she spoke up she would be snatched by Chinese authorities, so decided to flee to the US from Hong Kong in April.

"I knew that once I spoke up, I could disappear at any time, just like all the brave protesters in Hong Kong," she said.

"I could disappear at any time. Even my name would no longer exist."



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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #335 on: August 03, 2020, 09:06:02 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-alternative-explanation-a-lab-escape-is-far-more-plausible/
‘The Alternative Explanation, a Lab Escape, Is Far More Plausible.’

If the virus jumped to humans through a series of human-animal encounters in the wild or in wet markets, as Beijing has claimed, we would likely have seen evidence of people being infected elsewhere in China before the Wuhan outbreak. We have not.

The alternative explanation, a lab escape, is far more plausible. We know the Wuhan Institute of Virology was using controversial “gain of function” techniques to make viruses more virulent for research purposes. A confidential 2018 State Department cable released this month highlighting the lab’s alarming safety record should heighten our concern.

Suggesting that an outbreak of a deadly bat coronavirus coincidentally occurred near the only level 4 virology institute in all of China — which happened to be studying the closest known relative of that exact virus — strains credulity.

Metzl notes that the Chinese government is attempting to avoid any serious investigation, with president Xi Jinping contending that investigations into the origin should be delayed until after the pandemic is contained. Metzl argues that an international investigation must include full access to all of the scientists, biological samples, laboratory records, and other materials, and that “denying that access should be considered an admission of guilt by Beijing.”

You may not have heard of Jamie Metzl, but he’s not just some schmo. He’s got the kind of sterling résumé that glows in the U.S. foreign-policy world — “deputy staff director of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee under Senator Joe Biden, senior coordinator for International Public Information at the Department of State, and director for Multilateral and Humanitarian Affairs on the White House National Security Council.” What’s more, he frequently writes about genetics and bioengineering. In 2004, Metzl ran for Congress as a Democrat.
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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #336 on: August 04, 2020, 05:08:13 PM »
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Prof-Tritto:-COVID-19-was-created-in-the-Wuhan-laboratory-and-is-now-in-the-hands-of-the-Chinese-military-50719.html
Prof Tritto: COVID-19 was created in the Wuhan laboratory and is now in the hands of the Chinese military

COVID-19, which is killing and infecting people all over the world, is not a naturally occurring virus; instead, it was created in Wuhan, in a level-4 biosafety laboratory. Not only Chinese, but also French and US scientists contributed to the production of this "chimera," an organism created in a lab.
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In its 272 pages, which can be read like a thriller, Prof Tritto explains the origins of the virus with precision and scientific resolve, starting from the Chinese attempt to study vaccines against SARS, inserting genomes from HIV into organisms (which makes them more aggressive), adding elements of coronavirus discovered in horseshoe bats, using a method called reverse genetics system 2.

Prof Shi Zheng Li, head of the Wuhan laboratory, was the leading figure in these genetic engineering experiments, but the lab received help from the French government and the Pasteur institute, from which the Chinese learnt how to use HIV genomes.

Some US scientists also helped, including Prof Ralph S. Baric, of the University of North Carolina, with funds from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). US scientists were interested in studying coronaviruses, which was prohibited in their country until 2017 due to their dangerousness.
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It is no coincidence that in the past five years, the Wuhan lab received the largest portion of China’s funding for virologic research, turning it into an advanced research centre under the direct control of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese government.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #337 on: Yesterday at 03:15:27 AM »
That China is threat to the world peace is no more a game of guesses. It is more or less a fact. But that China can't be controlled is becoming more apparent. That China holds 1 trillion US dollars as a hedge is a weapon in itself. If dumped into the market, USD will crack up and so wil the buying parity of the currency... result....US economy will too crack up. It has all the weapons that a super power should have. What is that will prevent China from repeating the Covid gameplan again...no one's sure about that.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #338 on: Today at 12:42:28 PM »
With the cat out of the bag, they seem to be moving aggressively to implement weaponization.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/china-pakistan-enter-secret-deal-to-expand-bio-warfare-tools-says-an-australian-investigative-journalist/amp_articleshow/77164486.cms
Defence
China & Pakistan enter 'secret deal' to expand bio-warfare tools


China and Pakistan may have allegedly entered a “secret three-year deal” to expand potential bio-warfare capabilities, including running several research projects related to the deadly agent anthrax, according to an Australia based investigative journalist Anthony Klan.

“China’s now infamous Wuhan Institute of Virology has signed the covert deal with Pakistan military’s Defense Science and Technology Organization (DESTO), to collaborate research in “emerging infectious diseases” and advance studies on the biological control of transmitted diseases,” Klan alleged in his recent article titled “China's Wuhan lab operating “covert operations” in Pakistan, creating "anthrax-like" pathogens