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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2020, 09:50:07 AM »
That is an old prepper trick, but not for viruses!

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2020, 11:10:02 AM »
First US person to person infection reported in Chicago.

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« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2020, 11:12:31 AM »
First US person to person infection reported in Chicago.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Illinois public health officials confirmed Thursday the nation’s first person-to-person transmission of the Coronavirus.

The new patient is the spouse of the Chicago woman who brought the infection back from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, CDC, and Illinois health officials said during a press briefing. Health officials said the new patient, a male in his 60s, has “some underlying medical conditions” but is currently in good condition.

The first patient is doing well but remains in isolation at a local hospital, officials said. Public health officials are also monitoring 21 patients in Illinois for possible infections.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/cdc-...rus-in-us.html

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2020, 01:19:24 PM »
WHO declared coronavirus emergency.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2020, 01:30:17 PM »
WHO declared coronavirus emergency.

WHO declares Public Health Emergency of International Concern for China Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV).

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A Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) is a formal declaration by the World Health Organization (WHO) of "an extraordinary event which is determined to constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease and to potentially require a coordinated international response", formulated when a situation arises that is "serious, sudden, unusual or unexpected", which "carries implications for public health beyond the affected State's national border" and "may require immediate international action".

In order to declare a PHEIC, the WHO Director-General is required to take into account factors which include the risk to human health and international spread, as well as advice from an international committee of experts.

The declaration of a PHEIC is a HIGHLY political process which raises the levels of international support, enhanced diplomatic efforts and security, and typically shakes loose greater financial resources to support the response teams.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2020, 05:38:14 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-symptoms-do-face-masks-really-protect-against-coronavirus-flu-spread-how-to-prevent-2020-01-30/
Do face masks really protect against coronavirus?

At a news conference Tuesday, Heath and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said wearing a face mask is unnecessary for most people.

"In the United States, the risk to any individual American is extremely low," Azar said.

Dr. Frank Esper, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, said some really sick people should wear a mask.

"If they are coughing, if they are feeling like they have symptoms, we do ask them to put on mask when they are coming to our waiting room or ER or into a public space," he said. "It helps prevent the spread of infection."

Esper and other experts say washing your hands frequently is the best way to prevent the spread of illnesses like the flu. The CDC advises washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol if soap and water are not available.

You should also avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands, avoid contact with sick people, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze, and disinfect objects and surfaces frequently, the CDC says.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2020, 06:57:09 PM »
Esper and other experts say washing your hands frequently is the best way to prevent the spread of illnesses like the flu. The CDC advises washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol if soap and water are not available.

You should also avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands, avoid contact with sick people, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze, and disinfect objects and surfaces frequently, the CDC says.


Heh.  I am currently at the 2-week point with flu or some other "Influenza-Like Illness" (to use CDC's term), and I know exactly how and when I caught it.  Went to Costco, pushed the shopping cart around, went to the car.  It was cold, my eyes were watering, and without thinking I wiped off the tears with the palms of my hands.

I always use hand sanitizer as soon as I get in the car after shopping.  Except not this time.  :facepalm:

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2020, 09:20:07 PM »
This case report has very similar findings to those published earlier in the week from Hong Kong.


NEJM:  Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany

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Before the onset of symptoms, he had attended meetings with a Chinese business partner at his company near Munich on January 20 and 21. The business partner, a Shanghai resident, had visited Germany between Jan. 19 and 22. During her stay, she had been well with no signs or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China, where she tested positive for 2019-nCoV on January 26 (index patient in Figure 1).

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This case of 2019-nCoV infection was diagnosed in Germany and transmitted outside of Asia. However, it is notable that the infection appears to have been transmitted during the incubation period of the index patient, in whom the illness was brief and nonspecific.

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Despite these concerns, all four patients who were seen in Munich have had mild cases and were hospitalized primarily for public health purposes. Since hospital capacities are limited — in particular, given the concurrent peak of the influenza season in the northern hemisphere — research is needed to determine whether such patients can be treated with appropriate guidance and oversight outside the hospital.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2020, 10:44:55 PM »
AFP, 1/30/20: Project fear: Misinformation spreads China virus panic

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...Phoebe, a 40-year-old Hong Kong doctor, has been dismayed by some of the messages cropping up in her family Whatsapp group in recent days.

"I've seen information... telling people to use a hairdryer to disinfect your face and hands, or drink 60-degree hot water to keep healthy," she told AFP, asking not to be fully identified.

"I also saw a post shared in Facebook groups telling people to drink Dettol," she added, referencing a household disinfectant. ...

AFP's own fact-check teams have encountered a deluge of misinformation causing confusion and fear - including one out of Sri Lanka claiming China said 11 million people would die.

Another was a false report in Australia listing common food brands and locations in Sydney that were supposedly tainted, while multiple posts pushed the erroneous idea that saline - basic salt water - can kill the virus. ...

One video which went especially viral was a video of a woman tucking into bat soup. ...

But it emerged that the video was shot in 2016 on the Pacific island of Palau by a Chinese travel blogger - a fact that few of the media outlets which ran the footage bothered to either check or update once the reality became known. ...

On Monday, Duncan Pegg, a lawmaker for Brisbane, alerted constituents to a fake Department of Health press release warning against travel to suburbs with high concentrations of Chinese Australians. ...

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #99 on: January 31, 2020, 06:03:29 AM »
There's a social side too. Hong Kong had a day where hospital workers called in sick en masse. People have been tossing Molotov cocktails at police stations in protest and admitting you are from Wuhan might get you stabbed.

While other countries close borders (though I don't know how because these are borders out in the middle of nowhere and undefended) rumor is that Cambodia may ban masks and will not close direct travel with China.

Lots of unrest and lack of faith in the governments.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #100 on: January 31, 2020, 11:50:21 AM »
U.S. mandates quarantine for 195 evacuees who arrived this week at March Air Base.  The quarantine authority, rarely used in the United States, would restrict the travelers’ movements for 14 days from when they left Wuhan, China, because officials say they’re still uncertain about how readily the virus spreads.


From CDC's Twitter:  The CDC, under statutory authority of the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary, has issued federal quarantine orders to all 195 United States citizens who repatriated to the U.S. on January 29, 2020. The quarantine will last 14 days from when the plane left Wuhan, China.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #101 on: January 31, 2020, 12:07:58 PM »
CDC hasn't exercised its quarantine authority since the 1960s.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #102 on: January 31, 2020, 12:35:22 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #103 on: January 31, 2020, 01:09:59 PM »
CDC TeleBriefing Audio Recording:  CDC Media Telebriefing: Update on 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

That may be the single most competent government briefing I've heard.  Very professional, informative, and to the point.

Just received notice from Delta that my flight was canceled. They have suspended all flights to China until April 30.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #104 on: January 31, 2020, 02:46:09 PM »
That may be the single most competent government briefing I've heard.  Very professional, informative, and to the point.

Just received notice from Delta that my flight was canceled. They have suspended all flights to China until April 30.

Your flight in MAY has already been cancelled?  no hope that things will be normal by then?

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #105 on: January 31, 2020, 03:55:34 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #106 on: January 31, 2020, 04:26:27 PM »
Your flight in MAY has already been cancelled?  no hope that things will be normal by then?

It was April 29.  The flight has been cancelled.  Currently they are allowing for reschedules for May 1 to 31.  But the planes for early dates are already packed with all the moves.  It looks like the conference will be rescheduled for June.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #107 on: January 31, 2020, 04:33:56 PM »
A 7th US infection in the Bay Area confirmed by CDC. 

Recent travel to China and self-quarantined on arrival a week ago, with mild symptoms and few contacts. 

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2020, 04:53:27 PM »
This is a tough call.  Do you stay in China where you can bug in at a hotel or do you get on a filled plane full of people some of which may be ill?

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/01/29/delta-coronavirus-flights-canceled.amp.html
Delta suspends all U.S. to China flights

Jan. 31 Update: Delta said it will temporarily suspend all U.S. to China flights beginning Feb. 6 through April 30 "due to ongoing concerns related to the coronavirus."  The airline joined other major carriers American Airlines and United Airlines in making the announcements today.

"Between now and Feb. 5, Delta will continue to operate flights to ensure customers looking to exit China have options to do so," Delta said in a news release.


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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2020, 08:57:50 AM »
Ummm...don't do this, please.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-51342278
Man taken off American Airlines flight for wearing gas mask

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2020, 01:04:55 PM »
So...would we expect to see quarantined areas in the U.S.?  What is the likelihood?  Asking for a friend.   ;)

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2020, 03:12:02 PM »
So...would we expect to see quarantined areas in the U.S.?  What is the likelihood?  Asking for a friend.   ;)

In my opinion, the number and rate of new infections would really have to spiral out of control here in the US for quarantine of large populations within a geographical area to be considered worth the negative consequences of such an action.  With targeted quarantine of travelers from China, instituted by CDC yesterday after confirmation of asymptomatic transmission, public health authorities have the ability to focus on those most at highest risk of spreading the virus in the US without impacting the rest of us as drastically. 

It appears that Chinese authorities missed that opportunity in the critical early weeks of the epidemic due to persecuting those in the healthcare system for raising alarm of a new "SARS-like virus" infection.  This Washington Post article documents the arrest and detention of doctors for sharing their concerns of a new epidemic on social media conversations.  It's the first of the month so most should be able to read it without hitting a paywall.

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An analysis of those early weeks — from official statements, leaked accounts from Chinese medical professionals, newly released scientific data and interviews with public health officials and infectious disease experts — reveals potential missteps by China’s overburdened public health officials.

It also underscores how a bureaucratic culture that prioritizes political stability over all else probably allowed the virus to spread farther and faster.

“It’s clear that a much stronger public health system could save China lives and money,”
said Tom Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Medical professionals who tried to sound an alarm were seized by police. Key state media omitted mention of the outbreak for weeks. Cadres focused on maintaining stability — and praising party leader Xi Jinping — as the crisis worsened.

“China’s public health system has modernized, but China’s political system hasn’t,”
said Jude Blanchette, head of China studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “If anything, there’s been a regression.”

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2020, 05:39:57 PM »
NYT with an article similar to the WaPo one above:  As New Virus Spread, China’s Old Habits Delayed Fight

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The government’s initial handling of the epidemic allowed the virus to gain a tenacious hold. At critical moments, officials chose to put secrecy and order ahead of openly confronting the growing crisis to avoid public alarm and political embarrassment.

A reconstruction of the crucial seven weeks between the appearance of the first symptoms in early December and the government’s decision to lock down the city, based on two dozen interviews with Wuhan residents, doctors and officials, on government statements and on Chinese media reports, points to decisions that delayed a concerted public health offensive.

In those weeks, the authorities silenced doctors and others for raising red flags. They played down the dangers to the public, leaving the city’s 11 million residents unaware they should protect themselves. They closed a food market where the virus was believed to have started, but told the public it was for renovations.

Their reluctance to go public, in part, played to political motivations as local officials prepared for their annual congresses in January. Even as cases climbed, officials declared repeatedly that there had likely been no more infections.

By not moving aggressively to warn the public and medical professionals, public health experts say, the Chinese government lost one of its best chances to keep the disease from becoming an epidemic.


A huge blunder by a centralized authoritarian surveillance state trying to prove itself a global powerhouse.  I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Hong Kong type political unrest from mainland Chinese over this public health disaster, especially if things become even more desperate as the central government is forced to ever more heavy handed methods to contain the outbreak.  To say nothing of the economic fallout.....

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2020, 06:44:40 PM »
Thanks, Freelancer.  I hope the U.S. actions weren’t too late to prevent the disease from spreading here.  Students returned to their universities for the second semester recently, and some of the students had been in China during their month-long break.  Likewise, business people from China have been traveling to the U.S. until yesterday.  Hopefully none of them were infected. 

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2020, 07:19:33 PM »
We'll certainly have infection spread here (an 8th case was confirmed today in Boston) but I would bet on new infections rarely going above single digits per day over the next few months.  That's nowhere near the thousands per day we're seeing in Asia.  Fortunately, it's hard to get to the US from China without coming by air so the advantage we have in being able to identify potential carriers and track their contacts is huge.

As bad as this is for Asia, any one of us who hasn't been to China is much more likely to die from influenza this year.  From a risk assessment standpoint, I recommend channeling worries about this novel respiratory epidemic into preparations for seasonal (and at some point, 1918-style pandemic) flu, starting with getting the vaccine.  This kind of thing gives individuals and agencies a wake up call to test plans and make changes for when the really big one comes along.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2020, 08:14:42 PM »
Have they named any people who have the coronavirus in the US ? Maybe they have reasons they can cite for not doing so but without any solid evidence to go on, I am not sure what to believe. Apparently the UN is working with China to come up with standards for marital law right now and people in China are being harassed by drones if they leave their homes during lockdown in wuhan so it’s a perfect martial law exercise and just maybe the UN planned the whole thing with China but I don’t know. But if the disease does not seem to have clear evidence of spreading elsewhere in a big way then I will have to wonder

Alex jones has been saying fema and the government has been trying to work with my patriot supply to buy up all their storable food. He said this actually started in November. That is very interesting that it started well before the flu story broke and makes you wonder if they knew it was coming all along. The owner of my patriot supply came onto the Alex Jones show hour 4 of January 31 and has confirmed all these details and says he refuses to sell all the food to the government and denying Americans the ability to get themselves emergency food but he said they just keep calling as if they won’t take no for an answer. I wonder maybe they could even seize all the food, imagine that ?

The owner of my patriot supply says the government wants to know every detail of their operation, where are their warehouses, how much food can they make, who are their suppliers. He doesn’t want to tell them anything but he says they keep calling
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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2020, 10:45:28 PM »
HIPAA regulations prevent disclosure of patients’ personal information.

Looks like Costco.com has plenty of long term storage food in stock if Alex’s guy sells out.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2020, 11:08:05 PM »

That’s interesting of course but it’s not clear what the real inventories are. I haven’t shopped at Costco or am unsure how much inventory they have. I don’t know what the quality of their stuff is and if it is popular etc.

 You always have to wonder if people may be trying to drum up business by saying the supply is running out so buy now.

This Alaska prepper Guy tho claims some suppliers of emergency long term food are selling out due to the virus scare


https://youtu.be/at03-qENcfY

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2020, 11:20:09 PM »
We really need Canada to get serious.  That is biggest hole which can affect US.  So far Trudeau has been MIA and Trump had to call him to say :wtf:

Meanwhile, deaths are getting closer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html
Coronavirus Live Updates: Death in Philippines Is the First Outside China

As the overall death toll passed 300, health workers in Hong Kong threatened to strike if the territory’s government did not completely close the border with mainland China.

A 44-year-old man in the Philippines has died of the coronavirus, health officials said on Sunday, making him the first known death outside China. The man, a resident of Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the virus, died on Saturday after developing what officials called “severe pneumonia.”

“This is the first known death of someone with 2019-nCoV outside of China,” the World Health Organization’s office in the Philippines said in a statement, using the technical shorthand for the coronavirus.

Philippines health officials said the man had arrived in the country on Jan. 21 with a 38-year-old woman who remains under observation.

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Re: Coronavirus 2019-nCoV outbreak in China
« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2020, 07:35:37 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/china-says-wuhan-coronavirus-victims-035557851.html
China says Wuhan coronavirus victims who die should be quickly cremated without funerals as death toll rises

New trial regulations from China's National Health Commission (NHC) have banned funerals and other similar activities involving the corpses of deceased victims of the novel coronavirus.
The new regulations on the disposal of remains come as the NHC announced that the death toll had risen to 304. A total of 14,380 people have been infected.
In an earlier announcement, the Chinese Ministry of Civil Affairs advised people to hold quick and simple funerals and avoid large gatherings to help prevent the virus from spreading further.