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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #900 on: April 09, 2020, 09:26:23 AM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ventilators-some-doctors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4
80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them

Some doctors are trying to use ventilators less frequently as some areas have reported high death rates among coronavirus patients who were on them, The Associated Press reported on Wednesday.

Ventilators, machines used to bring oxygen into a person's lungs, are typically used only for the patients worst affected by respiratory diseases.

Experts have said that some 40% to 50% of patients with severe respiratory issues die while on ventilators, the AP reported.

New York City officials have said at least 80% of coronavirus patients who were put on ventilators there ultimately died, the AP reported. New York state has the most confirmed coronavirus cases and deaths in the US.

There have also been reports of unusually high death rates among patients on ventilators elsewhere in the US and in China and the UK, the AP said.
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Some doctors are also concerned that ventilators could be further harming certain coronavirus patients, as the treatment is hard on the lungs, the AP reported.

Dr. Tiffany Osborn, a critical-care specialist at the Washington University School of Medicine, told NPR on April 1 that ventilators could actually damage a patient's lungs.

"The ventilator itself can do damage to the lung tissue based on how much pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs," she said.

Dr. Negin Hajizadeh, a pulmonary critical-care doctor at New York's Hofstra/Northwell School of Medicine, also told NPR that while ventilators worked well for people with diseases like pneumonia, they don't necessarily also work for coronavirus patients.

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« Reply #901 on: April 09, 2020, 10:18:47 AM »
Which ultimately leads to questions, are ventilators not effective?  Are we putting some people on vents that would die anyway?  Would smart resourcing decisions reduce the number of vents needed?    I would be interested to see ventilator success rates for early days, when a facility has no shortages of ventilators vs. facilities so overwhelmed where they only put the most likely to live on vents.

OK, my speculation and wondering is over.  I don't make decisions involving the treatment of covid and the production or use of ventilators. Call me in 6 months when it has been parsed further and harder conclusions can be drawn, I'm gonna go badger my kids about their schoolwork. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #902 on: April 09, 2020, 01:01:43 PM »
The little things really do matter.

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Coronavirus: Evansville Day School teacher's painless mask straps give health workers boost

At first, Eric Sogard thought his homemade mask straps would be a nice gesture to friends in the medical field at this stressful time.

As word got out about the straps, Sogard's pool of "friends" had multiplied.

A technology teacher at Evansville Day School, Sogard on April 6, posted a photo to Facebook of the blue mask straps he was making with the school's 3D printer. Unlike stretchy elastic bands, these straps can comfortably secure a surgical mask to the face with no irritation behind the ears.
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Sogard said he can print five straps per 1 hour and 50 minutes. He's giving them away and has received donations of filament to keep the supply chain going.

“I set my alarm for an hour and 45 minutes all through the night and wake up to start a new round,” Sogard said, adding that his kids assist by shave off the extra pieces of plastic from the printing process to create the finished product.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #903 on: April 09, 2020, 05:40:32 PM »
I'm seeing increasingly worrisome evidence that the "cytokine storm" mechanism is producing the severe disease we're seeing in our younger COVID patients.  This is what led to so many otherwise healthy young men drowning in their own fluids during the 1918 flu.  It's not clear whether the viral strains causing the disease we're seeing now in the US is more likely to produce this overactive immune response when compared to China's cases, which appeared to skew towards a predominantly elderly death pattern (if we can believe Chinese reports).

WSJ:  Haywire Immune Response Eyed in Coronavirus Deaths, Treatment

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An immune system gone haywire may be doing more damage than the coronavirus itself in patients with the severest forms of Covid-19, doctors and scientists say, a growing theory that could point the way to potential treatments.

Much remains unknown about the path the virus takes in the sickest patients, but an increasing number of experts believe a hyperactive immune response, rather than the virus, is what ultimately kills many Covid-19 patients.

The out-of-control immune response eventually causes the patients’ lungs to stop delivering oxygen to the rest of organs, leading to respiratory failure and in some cases death, the experts say. The malfunctioning immune system may be driving the rapid decline in lung function experienced by some patients, including younger and relatively healthy ones, after the initial onset of symptoms, doctors say.

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As with other diseases, it is a mystery why cytokine storms are experienced by some but not all Covid-19 patients, doctors say. Genetics may be a factor.

In the most severe coronavirus patients, the disease appears to have two stages, doctors and researchers say. First the immune system fails to respond quickly or effectively enough to the virus. Then the immune response becomes too aggressive and floods the body with cytokines.

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Last month, doctors from Seattle’s Swedish Health Services used Actemra to treat a 45-year-old emergency-room physician who was infected while caring for patients from a nursing home in Kirkland, Wash.

The man was transferred to Swedish and put on life support after his lungs and kidneys began to fail, said Samuel J. Youssef, a cardiothoracic surgeon at Swedish. Lab tests showed the man’s inflammation levels were 200 times greater than the normal range, indicating he might be suffering from a cytokine storm.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #904 on: April 09, 2020, 07:11:02 PM »
OK, the counterpoint is due. I guess when you come of age following Nouriel Roubini and Peter Schiff you get the bear gene.

Let's talk about the data. It's important to remember that in the USA with our failed CDC and FDA we have no data other than what can be collected from politicians and celebrities, the only people worth testing. So we look elsewhere. The Diamond Princess cruise liner that was quaranteened off the coast of Japan saw a 17% infection rate. Not so rabid. The Icelanders, who vigorously tested because they have an intact government, saw that 50% of those tested were asymptomatic. That means that half of us who get this will be sick and recover without knowing.

Let's go one step farther. Yes, 80% of ventilator patients are dying. Well, consider the sample. The mean age of death of covid in Italy is 84. Life expectancy is 82. If we are going to scramble to toss octogenerians with comorbidities on ventilators I'm not shocked the death rate is high.

Make no mistake this disease is debilitating. But we are making a choice that we will kill our economy and go into a depression to save the lives of high risk elderly people. Follow the data, even healthy 70 year olds with no outlying conditions, particularly pulmonary conditions are sub 1% risk.

I'm a little miffed at the media and government for up-playing every 20 something who dies of covid with gaping underlying health issues and refusing to admit that at worst it hits people who are old and already unwell. That's not to say I have no sympathy but there is a way to manage this better.

You're not going to die. For Pete's sake half of you that get covid will not even know. If it's 1/2 as virulent as we've been told you likely already had it.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #905 on: April 09, 2020, 09:28:09 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,277330
Italy2,375302
France1,804187
UK959118
US1,41650
Germany1,41131
Canada55013
Turkey50111
Czechia52010
Greece1888
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New York8,232360
New Jersey5,745191
Louisiana3,920151
Michigan2,160108
Connecticut2,732106
Massachusetts ^x12,77374
Washington1,33562
Illinois ^x11,28141
Colorado ^x21,12141
Rhode Island ^x2 1,63441
Georgia ^x11,05740
Indiana ^x195737
Vermont1,00537
Nevada ^x184029
Pennsylvania1,45028
Mississippi 75625
Delaware ^x21,27324
Maryland 1,03023
Oklahoma 43020
Wisconsin49919
Florida ^x181718
Ohio 47318
Kentucky 32718
Alabama ^x158316
New Hampshire ^x4  61016
Missouri 58115
California51614
Tennessee ^x269714
South Carolina 56314
Idaho ^x280214
Kansas 38014
Arizona43413
Virginia ^x148013
Maine 42012
Oregon 32411
Minnesota ^x42259
Iowa 4059
Alaska3189
Texas ^x14108
New Mexico 4738
North Carolina ^x13767
Arkansas ^x13837
North Dakota ^x33587
Nebraska ^x12987
South Dakota 5177
Montana3406
Utah 6494
Hawaii 3114
West Virginia2863
Wyoming4110

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #906 on: April 10, 2020, 10:01:05 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,385344
Italy2,441312
France1,913202
UK1,086132
US1,51957
Germany1,45833
Canada58715
Turkey55812
Czechia53511
Greece1939
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New York8,786400
New Jersey6,146218
Louisiana4,128162
Michigan2,288129
Connecticut2,942125
Massachusetts 3,07188
Washington1,39866
Illinois 1,39546
Rhode Island ^x1 1,90746
Indiana ^x21,04145
Colorado 1,17745
Georgia 1,15241
Vermont1,08638
Pennsylvania ^x11,59035
Nevada 88435
Delaware ^x11,39734
Maryland ^x11,16128
Mississippi 82627
Wisconsin ^x153122
Oklahoma 45822
Florida 87220
Ohio 50520
Kentucky 38120
Missouri ^x262417
Kansas ^x640117
Alabama 61816
New Hampshire 65916
California53815
Tennessee 73115
South Carolina 61815
Idaho 82715
Virginia ^x153614
Arizona44814
Maine 44013
Oregon 33612
Iowa ^x144310
Minnesota 24210
Texas ^x14379
New Mexico ^x15219
Nebraska ^x43409
Alaska3339
North Carolina 4038
Arkansas 4028
North Dakota 3708
South Dakota 6207
Utah ^x16906
Hawaii ^x13276
Montana3506
West Virginia3143
Wyoming4350

Today there were a record 33,752 new cases and 2,035 new deaths.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #907 on: April 11, 2020, 09:29:56 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,487355
Italy2,518322
France1,986212
UK1,164145
US1,61062
Germany1,497 34
Canada61817
Turkey61913
Czechia55112
Greece2009
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New York9,233440
New Jersey6,547256
Louisiana4,292173
Michigan2,410140
Connecticut3,214138
Massachusetts 3,347100
Washington1,43268
Illinois 1,49653
Rhode Island  2,22353
Indiana 1,12050
Colorado 1,24650
Georgia 1,19142
Vermont1,13840
Pennsylvania 1,70539
Nevada 92438
Delaware 1,55835
Maryland 1,28234
Mississippi 88431
Wisconsin 55624
Oklahoma 47724
Florida 92222
Ohio 53721
Kentucky 41421
Missouri 66119
Alabama ^x167119
Kansas 43619
New Hampshire 69117
California56616
Arizona ^x448816
South Carolina ^x164716
Idaho ^x183416
Tennessee 76915
Virginia 60315
Maine 46214
Oregon 35412
Minnesota ^x125812
Iowa 48211
Alaska ^x334811
Texas 47410
New Mexico 56110
North Carolina ^x14299
Nebraska 3709
North Dakota ^x13909
Arkansas 4118
South Dakota 7247
Utah 7246
Hawaii 3426
Montana3626
West Virginia3233
Wyoming4490

As of today the US now has the highest number of reported deaths (20,577) in the world, surpassing Italy.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #908 on: April 12, 2020, 01:27:08 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

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As of today the US now has the highest number of reported cases (20,577) in the world, surpassing Italy.
Yes, that is really getting my wife angry. The news agencies report that in a raised, fast, excited voice tone - YIKES - THE US HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER...

It is really fake news - to offer data with absolutely no perspective, just to sell more news, is in my opinion close to treason (aiding and abetting the enemy.)

The news cast, today, showed that the US had a death rate of just over 21 thousand, and at the same time showed that the UK had just over 10K. Meanwhile they conveniently ignored the fact that the US has over six times the population - so really we have one third the number of deaths (per capita,) of the UK. In the table above, we surpassed Italy in reported cases (although I believe that the 20K is deaths, not cases) but it fails to mention that we are nearly six times as big. Again, we are doing better than other countries, not worse.

Reporting raw numbers (of infections, or of deaths,) without reporting population size is horrible, at best. I hate it when news agencies sensationalize numbers for their own purposes (whether to sell more news, or to further their political agenda.)

(This is not against you, Freelancer, but against agencies reporting data without context.)

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #909 on: April 12, 2020, 01:28:28 PM »
I am linking this because it articulates much of what I feel right now,  for many areas of the country.  We are a very large country, and for CA, where I live, a very large state, what happens in Southern CA is on a different timeline to Northern CA, so for example, L.A. county should decide to lift restrictions when they are enough over their local outbreak hump, even if that is when we get one up here, should not be a statewide thing. 

I have heard that many non-medical and non-economically literate, average people around here basically think we should stay in until it
"goes away" meaning dies out due to keeping an R0 below 1 long enough or a vaccine with universal, forced compliance ( note that I am speaking of person on the streets viewpoint, not policy makers, neccssarily). 

This linked article speaks of just keeping a peak below hospital overwhelming numbers and having multiple diminishing peaks. Which makes more sense to me.

An issue to me always has been that no-one in our local/state government has articulated what their policy is, what is our criteria

This linked paper makes arguments on 8 reasons:  (1) We have already flattened the curve (2) Economic collapse and unemployment are destroying families (3) We have not saturated the health care system (4) Suicide may kill almost as many people as COVID-19 this year (5) The mortality was likely overestimated (6) Children are at almost no risk from this disease (7) PPE was limited but is now becoming more available (8) Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown


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Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown

Those who want to continue the lockdown indefinitely should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown. There needs to be a clear reliable model that shows how many additional lives will be saved considering we have already flattened the curve and there is essentially no further risk of overwhelming the health care system. The previous models were wrong. The consequences of indefinite lockdown are quite staggering, to the tune of one million jobs lost per day.

Jonathan Geach, M.D.

Ankur J Patel, M.D.

Jason Friday, M.D.

Lacy Windham, M.D.

Ashkan Attaran, M.D.

Jennifer Andjelich, D.N.P.

https://medium.com/@jbgeach/eight-reasons-to-end-the-lockdowns-as-soon-as-possible-b7bb0bc94f00

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #910 on: April 12, 2020, 02:32:17 PM »
Some good Easter news.  Exponential growth in infections has been broken around the world.  Australia and New Zealand have had quick declines suggesting summer/fall will see much weaker rates.  As shown by the markets, there is still time to revive the US economy and return to growth path.


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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #911 on: April 12, 2020, 09:41:51 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,568368
Italy2,586329
France2,031221
UK1,241156
US1,69367
Germany1,52636
Canada64619
Turkey67514
Czechia55913
Greece2039
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New York9,655478
New Jersey6,964265
Louisiana4,416180
Connecticut ^x13,360155
Michigan2,474149
Massachusetts 3,730111
Washington1,44470
Rhode Island  2,52260
Illinois 1,62656
Indiana 1,19452
Colorado 1,32052
Pennsylvania ^x21,79244
Georgia 1,21943
Vermont1,16343
Maryland ^x21,37039
Nevada 97038
Delaware 1,71137
Mississippi 93032
Wisconsin 57825
Oklahoma 50325
Florida 96622
Ohio 56722
Kentucky 44222
Missouri 68319
Alabama 73719
Kansas 46019
California ^x159517
Virginia ^x562717
Arizona ^x150917
South Carolina ^x167017
New Hampshire 73317
Idaho 84516
Tennessee 79815
Maine 47514
Minnesota ^x129313
Iowa ^x150713
Oregon 37413
New Mexico ^x259512
North Dakota ^x440911
Alaska 36811
Texas 48910
North Carolina 4519
Arkansas ^x14289
Nebraska 4279
South Dakota 8457
Utah 7566
Hawaii 3516
Montana3716
West Virginia3344
Wyoming4640

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #912 on: April 13, 2020, 12:50:58 AM »
Conspiracy hat ON.....

did you notice anything strange on the japan's curve iniam4liberty graph above??

They seem to be doing really well but after quite soem time they are loosing it.
It so happened to be two days after the decision to postpone the Japan olympics

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #913 on: April 13, 2020, 05:56:43 AM »
Conspiracy hat ON.....

did you notice anything strange on the japan's curve iniam4liberty graph above??

They seem to be doing really well but after quite soem time they are loosing it.
It so happened to be two days after the decision to postpone the Japan olympics
You did the research? The horizontal axis is number of days since their nation identified 30 cases as i read it.  Which means you would have to look in to the by date reporting for japan to figure that out right?

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #914 on: April 13, 2020, 11:48:48 AM »
Still wearing the Conspiracy Hat...

how about they cooked the numbers in hope of the Olympics going on?

Conspiracy hat OFF.....

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« Reply #915 on: April 13, 2020, 03:17:55 PM »
Looking at Japan data, it is interesting.  The number of new cases was flat until March 23, the point when the announced the suspension of the games.  But, the number of deaths was rising before then.  So it suggests that they were not testing at a level of others.  And there are articles from that time (see below from March 18) suggesting that they had overly strict testing criteria and were only using a fraction of resources.  But very hard to assign a motive to why they took that path.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-testing-idUSKBN2150ZR
Japan uses just a fraction of its coronavirus testing capacity

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan is only using a sixth of its capacity to test for the coronavirus even as it is increasing its ability to do so, government data shows, adding to concern that it is not doing enough to contain its outbreak.


On a happier note, a preprint for first large scale Hydroxychloroquine study was posted. 

Link to abstract: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Abstract_Raoult_EarlyTrtCovid19_09042020_vD1v.pdf

Findings

From  March 3rd  to  April  9th, 2020,  59,655  specimens  from  38,617  patients  were  tested for COVID-19 by PCR. Of the  3,165  positive  patients  placed  in  the  care  of  our institute, 1061 previously unpublished patients  met  our inclusion criteria. Their  mean  age  was  43.6  years  old and 492  were  male  (46.4%). No cardiac  toxicity was  observed.  A  good  clinical  outcome  and virological  cure  was  obtained in 973 patients  within 10 days  (91.7%). Prolonged viral  carriage at  completion of treatment  was  observed in 47 patients  (4.4%) and was  associated to a  higher viral  load at  diagnosis  (p  < 10-2) but  viral  culture  was  negative  at  day 10 and all  but  one  were PCR-cleared at  day 15. A  poor outcome  was  observed for 46 patients  (4.3%);  10 were transferred to  intensive  care  units, 5 patients  died (0.47%) (74-95 years  old) and 31 required 10 days  of hospitalization or more. Among this  group, 25  patients  are  now  cured and 16  are still  hospitalized (98%  of patients  cured so far). Poor  clinical  outcome  was  significantly associated to older age  (OR 1.11), initial  higher severity (OR  10.05) and  low hydroxychloroquine  serum  concentration.  In addition, both poor clinical  and virological outcomes  were  associated to the  use  of selective  beta-blocking agents  and angiotensin II receptor blockers  (P<0.05).  Mortality was  significantly lower in patients  who had received  > 3 days  of HCQ-AZ  than in patients  treated with other regimens  both  at  IHU  and in all Marseille  public  hospitals  (p< 10-2).

Interpretation

The  HCQ-AZ  combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is  a  safe  and efficient treatment  for COVID-19, with a  mortality rate  of  0.5%,  in  elderly  patients. It  avoids worsening and  clears  virus  persistence  and contagiosity in most  cases.




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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #916 on: April 13, 2020, 03:36:56 PM »
https://www.reviewjournal.com/life/health/las-vegas-hospital-blazes-own-path-with-malaria-drug-to-treat-covid-19-2005095/amp/
Las Vegas hospital blazes own path with malaria drug to treat COVID-19

University Medical Center on Tuesday began prescribing hydroxychloroquine to high-risk emergency room patients who test positive for COVID-19 but do not require immediate hospitalization.

In doing so, UMC became the first Las Vegas-area hospital to dispense it on an outpatient basis, taking a cutting-edge position nationally in the use of the controversial experimental drug.
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Dr. Thomas Zyniewicz, an emergency medicine physician at UMC, said the drug, which is frequently used to treat malaria and autoimmune diseases, has shown promising results in thwarting the progression of COVID-19. Two small studies out of China and France, as well as preliminary case studies across the U.S., are showing some benefit for some patients, he said.

“Our outcomes in our ICU patients to date are better than outcomes we’re seeing from Italy, China, France and other countries,” Zyniewicz noted. “Is it a result of the medication and the other antivirals we’re putting them on? Probably.”

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« Reply #917 on: April 13, 2020, 08:02:37 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/south-dakota-implements-statewide-hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-for-coronavirus-treatment.amp
South Dakota implements statewide hydroxychloroquine clinical trial for potential coronavirus treatment

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem on Monday announced a statewide clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine for the possible treatment of COVID-19, making her state the first in the country to institute a program exploring the potential effectiveness of the drug in treating and preventing coronavirus.

“From Day One, I’ve said we’re going to let the science, facts and data drive our decision-making in South Dakota,” Noem said in a statement provided to Fox News.
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The governor said South Dakota has received doses of hydroxychloroquine to begin the trial.

“Today, I’m pleased to report we have received the initial doses we need, and thanks to the leadership of Sanford Health and the assistance of medical teams at Avera and Monument Health, we’re going to be the first state in the nation to do a comprehensive clinical trial to assess whether hydroxychloroquine can treat and perhaps even prevent COVID-19,” she said.

Sanford Health is the largest provider of rural health care in the country, according to Noem. With the help of Avera and Monument Health, they will treat “up to 100,000 people including outpatient and hospitalized patients with COVID-19, in addition to frontline health care workers, and high-risk individuals who have been exposed to the virus.

“The health care community in South Dakota consistently works together with the state for the benefit of all our patients,” South Dakota Secretary of Health Kim Malsam-Rysdon said Monday. “I am excited patients across the state will have access to this drug, and we will learn more about its benefits in treating and even preventing COVID-19.”

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #918 on: April 13, 2020, 09:28:38 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,638380
Italy2,638338
France2,095229
UK1,305167
US1,77371
Germany1,55238
Canada68021
Turkey72415
Czechia56613
Greece2069
Japan601
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New York9,973513
New Jersey7,271275
Louisiana4,506190
Connecticut 3,736168
Michigan2,574161
Massachusetts 3,934124
Washington1,46772
Rhode Island  2,81769
Illinois 1,71862
Colorado ^x11,38955
Indiana 1,24153
Georgia ^x11,32347
Pennsylvania 1,89946
Vermont1,19745
Maryland 1,48844
Delaware ^x11,85543
Nevada 1,01641
Mississippi 98433
Wisconsin 59327
Oklahoma 52825
Florida 1,02024
Ohio 59924
Kentucky 46123
Alabama ^x178221
Kansas ^x147321
Missouri 74120
Idaho ^x586120
California 62219
Virginia 68318
Arizona 53318
South Carolina 69418
New Hampshire 75917
Tennessee 84316
New Mexico ^x464315
Iowa ^x254614
Maine 52414
Minnesota 29913
Oregon 38813
Texas ^x251211
North Carolina ^x248111
North Dakota 44011
Alaska 37511
Arkansas 49310
Nebraska 4579
South Dakota 1,0047
Montana ^23787
Utah 7766
Hawaii 3546
West Virginia3465
Wyoming4732


Looks like Wyoming's luck finally ran out and every state now has a death rate. 

Surprising to see Idaho leapfrogging California on both counts.  Actually very surprising to see California staying below the mean (50.3) and median (20.5) death rates during this pandemic, I didn't think we had it in us to actually stay home.

South Dakota and Utah seem to be sitting on a large number of cases in comparison to their death rates.  Utah could just be healthier than the rest of us, but I doubt the same can be said of South Dakota.

Washington has the worst numbers in the west, since it got jumped into the pandemic first, but Nevada's numbers seem to indicate a higher rate of deaths to cases that will likely worsen.  Colorado being so high up the list is surprising to me, too, given its usual position as a young and healthy state.

Texas continues to slowly move up the ranks and it will be interesting to see where where a giant state like that winds up in the next couple weeks.

And the North East pummeling seems never ending.  New York's 513 deaths per million easily beats any nation state of comparable population. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #919 on: April 13, 2020, 11:18:41 PM »
South Dakota and Utah seem to be sitting on a large number of cases in comparison to their death rates.  Utah could just be healthier than the rest of us, but I doubt the same can be said of South Dakota.


WaPo:  South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

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As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota’s top elected leader stood firm: There would be no statewide order to stay home.

Such edicts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Kristi L. Noem said disparagingly, reflected a “herd mentality.” It was up to individuals — not government — to decide whether “to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home.”

And besides, the first-term Republican told reporters at a briefing this month, “South Dakota is not New York City.”

But now South Dakota is home to one of the largest single coronavirus clusters anywhere in the United States, with more than 300 workers at a giant ­pork-processing plant falling ill. With the case numbers continuing to spike, the company was forced to announce the indefinite closure of the facility Sunday, threatening the U.S. food supply.

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The South Dakota State Medical Association wrote Noem a letter April 3 warning the governor that the state “may soon face the challenges and hardships currently being seen in New York and other large cities across the country if a shelter in place order is not issued immediately.”

Noem is one of five governors representing relatively rural states — North Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Arkansas are the others — still resisting such calls. All are Republicans, and all have used similar justifications for going against the national grain.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #920 on: April 14, 2020, 12:12:27 AM »

WaPo:  South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

WaPo is going for click bait again.   Food processing is an essential business that would have remained open even under stay at home orders, just like all the agriculture work in my county.  We all have to eat, and food planting, food harvesting, animal tending, and animal processing all have to go on.  The 300 people in that plant would have still gotten sick with stay at home orders for everyone else

Which does bring up an interesting point about some rural areas that are where we get our food.  They cannot stay home like silicon valley workers or teachers or politicians.  Those counties where the main industry is farming or ranching or food processing and packing do not have the same options
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #921 on: April 14, 2020, 01:50:52 AM »
But those 300 food processors are just the tip of South Dakota’s iceberg right now and would have been less able to spread COVID to the public during their off hours over the last three weeks.

I guess they can serve as a comparison group when analyzing the outcomes of the various social distancing procedures across the country. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #922 on: April 14, 2020, 02:07:47 AM »
I just took notice that a new therapeutic protocol will be announced shortly. Developed by a world wide group called Solidarity.

It will be the combination of Remdesivir for the early stages of the disease, aiming to decrease virus count,
and Anti-interleukin-6 to battle the inflammation caused by the virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-IL-6
WHO Solidarity - https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #923 on: April 14, 2020, 12:20:51 PM »
protests from draconian lock down orders starting, I saw some footage from North Carolina, where police told the protesters, standing 6 feet apart that they also must seperate from their children.  It is these kinds of not making sense that are adding fuel to the fire.  Stand 6 feet apart from your 6 year old ?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/04/14/strict-stayathome-orders-spur-protests-across-the-nation-n2566875

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"Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people," said protest organizer Meshawn Maddock. "Every person has learned a harsh lesson about social distancing. We don’t need a nanny state to tell people how to be careful."

It seems that the new "extensions" to the original orders are what is angering many

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The main order people are taking issue with is the extension of the stay at home order and what businesses are considered essential and non-essential. On Thursday, April 9, Whitmer extended that order through the end of the month and also introduced new restrictions on garden centers and stores selling furniture and paint.

https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/politics/michigan-politics/lansing-protest-whitmer-stay-at-home-order/69-bbc854e1-35c0-4bcc-b7f0-47e33f1dc8d4
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #924 on: April 14, 2020, 02:20:39 PM »
protests from draconian lock down orders starting, I saw some footage from North Carolina, where police told the protesters, standing 6 feet apart that they also must seperate from their children.  It is these kinds of not making sense that are adding fuel to the fire.  Stand 6 feet apart from your 6 year old ?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/04/14/strict-stayathome-orders-spur-protests-across-the-nation-n2566875

It seems that the new "extensions" to the original orders are what is angering many

https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/politics/michigan-politics/lansing-protest-whitmer-stay-at-home-order/69-bbc854e1-35c0-4bcc-b7f0-47e33f1dc8d4

I heard some politician say we should isolate from our own families. I was bewildered. Suppose you have one bathroom and one kitchen... How far apart can you get? I guess I should go live in the shed? Gonna suck sleeping on the tractor.

At some point somebody needs to show up and be serious. Without testing and data we're just throwing grenades blindfolded.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #925 on: April 14, 2020, 08:30:47 PM »
Some very early positive results for Ivermectin:

4/6/20: Head lice drug Ivermectin is being tested as a possible coronavirus treatment, but that’s no reason to buy it

Well, this was inevitable:

FDA, 4/10/20: FDA Letter to Stakeholders: Do Not Use Ivermectin Intended for Animals as Treatment for COVID-19 in Humans

A Facebook acquaintance says it is nearly impossible to obtain Ivermectin for veterinary use now.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #926 on: April 14, 2020, 08:37:00 PM »
I heard some politician say we should isolate from our own families. I was bewildered. Suppose you have one bathroom and one kitchen... How far apart can you get? I guess I should go live in the shed? Gonna suck sleeping on the tractor.

At some point somebody needs to show up and be serious. Without testing and data we're just throwing grenades blindfolded.

some grocery store nazi would not allow a single mom of a 4-yo and 7-yo into the store.  She could not leave them home alone; she could not leave them outside the store alone (both would get her in trouble with the child protective services) but the store would not allow her to shop with them in tow.  What is she to do?  this did happen in Britain... but I could see it here too.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #927 on: April 14, 2020, 08:39:54 PM »
another note:

It is April, which means that for the next 4 weeks, I will have a continuously dripping nose, uncontrollable serial sneezes, and the occasional cough as I try to breathe.  I am honestly afraid of some crazy who will turn on me in the stores...  I am doing my best to mitigate symptoms, but it is April, and the reason I hate, with a passion that is almost unholy, I hate spring.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #928 on: April 14, 2020, 09:40:41 PM »
Cumulative Cases/Deaths per Million Population

Nation/State         Cases/mil Deaths/mil
Spain3,723390
Italy2,687348
France2,195241
UK1,383178
US1,85579
Germany1,57842
Canada71724
Turkey77217
Czechia57115
Greece20810
Japan621
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New York10,354552
New Jersey7,749316
Louisiana4,614217
Connecticut 3,906187
Michigan2,712178
Massachusetts 4,123140
Rhode Island ^x1 3,07776
Washington1,48075
Illinois 1,81368
Colorado 1,43659
Indiana 1,28558
Pennsylvania ^x11,99154
Georgia 1,41651
Maryland ^x11,57850
Vermont1,20346
Delaware 2,02845
Nevada 1,05744
Mississippi 1,03337
Wisconsin 61529
Florida ^x11,05028
Ohio ^x162528
Oklahoma 55728
Kentucky 49826
Kansas ^x149024
Missouri ^x177423
Alabama 81323
Idaho 86723
California 65220
South Carolina ^x271720
New Hampshire ^x2 81220
Tennessee ^x287519
Arizona ^x154819
Virginia 73318
New Mexico 67217
Iowa 60616
Maine 55115
Minnesota 30714
Oregon 40013
Texas 53812
North Dakota ^x145312
Alaska ^x138612
North Carolina 50511
Arkansas 50111
Nebraska 47311
South Dakota 1,1437
Montana 3837
Utah 7926
Hawaii 3646
West Virginia3795
Wyoming4852

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #929 on: April 15, 2020, 06:18:24 AM »
some grocery store nazi would not allow a single mom of a 4-yo and 7-yo into the store.  She could not leave them home alone; she could not leave them outside the store alone (both would get her in trouble with the child protective services) but the store would not allow her to shop with them in tow.  What is she to do?  this did happen in Britain... but I could see it here too.

My local Costco only allows 2 people per card. So if you have 2 kids it's out. Just amazing how we take a pandemic and immediately turn it into a eugenic one child policy. Because the worst thing you could do is be a mom or a dad. In all honesty it makes me want to have another kid then adopt 4 more. Go pound sand, I like kids and having the little ones running around is a good feeling.