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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #780 on: March 31, 2020, 12:05:50 PM »
Could also give us some understanding of what autumn will look like in US. FNORD.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6754917/coronavirus-australia-infection-slow-down/amp/
Coronavirus: Australia reports sustained slowdown in COVID-19 infection rate

Health Minister Greg Hunt reported there were about 4,400 coronavirus cases nationally, with the rate of growth in new infections slowing from 25-30 per cent a week ago to an average of 9 per cent over the past three days.

Of those, 50 people were in intensive care and 20 were on ventilators, Hunt said. The death toll stood at 19.

Based on the completion of more than 230,000 tests, the death rate for Australian cases was below 1 per cent, significantly under the 10 per cent being reported by some other countries and suggesting “early promising signs of the curve flattening,” Hunt said.

“By having what we believe is the broadest and widest testing program in the world … at this stage our numbers indicate that we are at the global forefront, we have a good picture of where we’re at,” Hunt said in a televised media conference.


Why do you keep typing in the letters FNORD ?

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #781 on: March 31, 2020, 01:02:59 PM »
Why do you keep typing in the letters FNORD ?

he might have another definition, but it is...

"Fnord" is a word coined in 1965 by Kerry Thornley and Greg Hill in the Discordian religious text Principia Discordia. It entered the popular culture after appearing in The Illuminatus! Trilogy of satirical and parody conspiracy fiction novels by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.

a fnord is a propaganda word conditioned in the masses from a very young age to respond to, usually with fear, anxiety, ...

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #782 on: March 31, 2020, 04:02:14 PM »
Good job, BBC statistics dude, for keeping things real.

Looks like stat dude may have been on to something, as there was another Tuesday bump up in UK numbers, with new cases at 3,009 and deaths at 381, both all time highs.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #783 on: March 31, 2020, 04:11:55 PM »

Remember this though, my friend and his spouse (milder) and his oldest child (teenager, milder yet symptoms) all show signs of COVID and none of them are tested.  The numbers are much higher than we know, and while they aint dying, my buddy is sicker than he has ever been in his life.   

i think the Nurse Practitioner where my husband works most definitely had the virus but wasn't tested...which really pissed me off as she is in Healthcare.  Any healthcare worker having symptoms should be tested.  Grrrrr.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #784 on: March 31, 2020, 05:26:42 PM »
WSJ:  U.S. Braces for Surge in Coronavirus Patients

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“This could be a hell of a bad two weeks,” President Trump said during a briefing at the White House Tuesday afternoon, then instantly revised his assessment: “This is going to be three weeks like we’ve never seen before.”

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House coronavirus task force, added: “We’ve got to brace ourselves.”

White House officials laid out stark data used to extend federal social distancing guidelines through April, with the numbers projecting that without mitigation the death toll could be as much as 2.2 million, compared with 100,000 to 240,000 with intervention.

“In the next several days to a week or so, we’re going to continue to see things go up,” Dr. Fauci said. “We cannot be discouraged by that. Because the mitigation is actually working, and will work.”

 

One hell of a steep slope.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #785 on: March 31, 2020, 05:41:51 PM »
If the numbers decline they will say their rules caused it to happen but it could also be that flu season is winding down

If they just test the sickest people then it boosts the fatality rate which is what they want

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #786 on: March 31, 2020, 07:34:47 PM »
   

Today's US numbers ranked by top third of Total Cases, New Cases, and New Deaths. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #787 on: March 31, 2020, 11:33:39 PM »
Today's US numbers ranked by top third of Total Cases, New Cases, and New Deaths.

these numbers are scary, but I think one should monitor the number of cases per million of populace and per tests done (and number of deaths per these too).
Factor in Italy's population of 60M and Spain's of 47M with their cases/deaths and THIS paints a grim picture.
Upon my playlist is an interview where an expert discusses the proper statistics of. Let's see what i can gleam of.

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« Reply #788 on: March 31, 2020, 11:43:54 PM »
in the meantime in the EU. Germany has refused delivery of ordered PPE and test kits to Italy and Greece.
The Italian primeminister threaten of leaving the EU after all this mess is done.
(BTW he is a moderate, independent candidate, not of the extreme right ones that have an agenda of disbanding the Eu)

Also, swiftly diagnosing the situation China and the USSR are donating planefulls of medical medical materials to the countries of the EU south. The russians also send a big team of specialists in Italy, and manned a new field hospital that was setup.

There goes Europe....

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« Reply #789 on: March 31, 2020, 11:48:08 PM »

Was being skeptical a good idea because media and the powers that be appeared to be pushing an agenda with higher estimates? The revised death rates are down considerably at the moment but what is the real truth is never clear

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html

The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #790 on: April 01, 2020, 12:05:57 AM »
these numbers are scary, but I think one should monitor the number of cases per million of populace and per tests done (and number of deaths per these too).
Factor in Italy's population of 60M and Spain's of 47M with their cases/deaths and THIS paints a grim picture.
Upon my playlist is an interview where an expert discusses the proper statistics of. Let's see what i can gleam of.

I agree Greekman, we will need to keep the USA numbers in perspective the next month as our population is so, so much larger.

  It is much more helpful to look at cases/deaths per million, especially when comparing to other countries !  Only China and India are larger.

It is too bad that our media will likely only go to maximum shock and scare mode and report the absolute numbers

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #791 on: April 01, 2020, 01:09:13 AM »
Another meaningful index might be the relation of cases recovered vs deaths. Shows the quality of care.

Italy and Turkey are bad with 55% recovered, Greece is close with 51%, the USA is more than 65% and Spain is at 69%
Australia is king with 94% recovered. On the bottom might be Brazil, with only 39% recovered.

An I was flabbergasted to see that only one out of the 91 closed cases, recovered in Denmark

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #792 on: April 01, 2020, 01:26:06 AM »
these numbers are scary, but I think one should monitor the number of cases per million of populace and per tests done (and number of deaths per these too).

Agreed.  I did it last week and sure wish Worldometer could add it to their US states data since they're already doing at the nation level.  Everyone should figure out how to do it for their own state.


It's interesting to look at the per capita COVID-19 burden for each state, not sure why Worldometer doesn't do it:

In aggregate, the total US disease burden in cases per million population = 85,280 / 330 (million) = 258 cases per million population

New York's cases per million population = 38,977 / 19.4 = 2,009 !!!

New Jersey = 6,876 / 8.9 = 773

California = 3,922 / 39.9 = 100

Washington = 3,207 / 7.8 = 411

Michigan = 2,856 / 10 = 286


Even the least populated state, Wyoming = 56 / 0.57 = 98 cases per million.  About the same as California and almost twice what China is reporting.


And don't forget Louisiana = 2,305 / 4.6 = 501 per million.  That's 5X California!!!


As of today, all of the US COVID-19 deaths per million = 4,055 / 330 = 12.3 per million.  Italy is at 206 per mil.  China has been at 2 for the last month.

New York = 1,714 / 19.4 = 88.4

Louisiana = 239 / 4.6 = 52

Georgia = 125 / 4 = 31.3

New Jersey = 267 / 8.9 = 30

Washington = 225 / 7.8 = 28.9

Michigan = 259 / 10 = 25.9

Connecticut = 69 / 3.6 = 19.2

Massachusetts = 89 / 7 = 12.7

Colorado = 69 / 5.8 = 11.9

Illinois = 99 / 12.6 = 7.9

Indiana = 49 / 6.7 = 7.3

Pennsylvania = 63 / 12.8 = 4.9

Ohio = 56 / 11.7 = 4.8

California = 181 / 39.9 = 4.5

Florida = 85 / 21.5 = 4

Texas = 56 / 29.5 = 1.9

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #793 on: April 01, 2020, 05:59:09 AM »
Looks like stat dude may have been on to something, as there was another Tuesday bump up in UK numbers, with new cases at 3,009 and deaths at 381, both all time highs.

Actually, rate of new cases fell by about 40%.  Tuesday the figure was 25,150 and Monday it was 22,141 which is only a 13.6% rise which means days to double is now near 6 days.  Great improvement.  Media is definitely taking notice:

Official figures showed confirmed cases rose 14% between Monday and Tuesday to 25,150 as of Tuesday at 0800 GMT, the third day of increases around that rate - slowing from around 22-24% last Thursday and Friday.

"But as you can see, the number of infections is not rising as rapidly as it was. So, green shoots, but only green shoots, and we must not be complacent and we must not take our foot off the pedal."


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« Reply #794 on: April 01, 2020, 07:23:02 AM »
So how quickly will the defeatest doom and gloom crowd turn on Fauci now that he is pushing back on apocalyptic forecasts?  Even CNN is having trouble shoehorning his recent statements.  They have already turned on Dr. Birx. 

Do yourself a favor and watch their actual briefing and what they say versus how people are trying to bend it to their narrative, see here stating at 2:30:00 mark: https://youtu.be/e9v8ZZd1P0M. It is like night and day between what they actually say and how media chops it up.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/31/health/us-coronavirus-updates-tuesday/index.html
Social distancing appears to be slowing the spread of coronavirus in some areas but crisis won't end soon, officials say

The two top infectious disease experts on the White House coronavirus task force think social distancing measures appear to be helping but reminded Americans they are going to have a significant effect on how many people in the Unites States die.
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Models used by the White House predict that even with perfect adherence to social distancing guidelines, at least 100,000 Americans might die. [Note, such amazing doublespeak pairing 'at least' with 'might'...they could equally say "at least 350 million Americans might die".]

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters that Americans should be ready for such a death toll, but the task force is working to keep the number down.

"We should be prepared for it. Is it going to be that much? I hope not, and I think the more we push on the mitigation the less the likelihood it would be that number," he said.
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Early clues -- in places like New York, California and Seattle -- indicate social distancing may be slowing the rate at which Covid-19 cases otherwise would have increased in the United States.
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• New York has by far the most US cases (75,700+) and deaths (1,500+). But the state's average of day-over-day case increases for the past seven days was 17%, compared to 58% for the previous seven-day period, a CNN analysis shows.

• In Northern California, "the surge we have been anticipating has not yet come," Dr. Jahan Fahimi, medical director at the University of California San Francisco Health, told CNN. San Francisco issued the country's first shelter-in-place order two weeks ago, and officials hope it is paying off. That hope has not necessarily reached Los Angeles County, where hospitals are seeing a steady patient increase.

• In Washington state's King County, two new reports from an institute that specializes in studying disease transmission dynamics showed social distancing measures appeared to be making a difference.



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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #795 on: April 01, 2020, 08:26:08 AM »
Dr. Fauci is definitely losing patience with their antics: https://youtu.be/FgEwtn6kPZo

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #796 on: April 01, 2020, 09:42:13 AM »
Dr. Fauci is definitely losing patience with their antics: https://youtu.be/FgEwtn6kPZo

your video was from two weeks ago

maybe watch dr. fauci from 2 days ago. especially at 2:40
https://youtu.be/uTTN0v2cdC0

at 2:48 "somewhere in the middle"
"100,000 to 200,000 deaths"

5:49 "i want to see a flattening"
it is not flattening. his hand movements imply it is skyrocketing

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #797 on: April 01, 2020, 09:57:46 AM »
A buddy just mentioned this site as a better tracking resource.
https://www.domo.com/coronavirus-tracking
gotta go do some telework stuff now so I haven't had time to drill into it, but Domo's got a great reputation in the world of computer analysis...

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #798 on: April 01, 2020, 11:52:21 AM »
Actually, rate of new cases fell by about 40%.  Tuesday the figure was 25,150 and Monday it was 22,141 which is only a 13.6% rise which means days to double is now near 6 days.  Great improvement.  Media is definitely taking notice:


Today: 

UK    29,474    +4,324    2,352    +563

New cases are 143% higher than yesterday's 3009 and new deaths are 148% more than 381.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #799 on: April 01, 2020, 12:33:02 PM »
Rural hospitals were already running at the ragged edge and have no margin to absorb a large influx of uninsured patients.  Coronavirus is going to hit rural areas very hard.

The real point of the map is highlighting how rural middle America could get slammed. If a few dozen people need a ventilator in a county with one 50 bed hospital and 4 ventilators things get ugly at the local level really quick.  And with every other hospital in the state feeling the same crunch it’s not likely you can transport enough of them to the big city to gain much slack.


WSJ:  Doctors Prepare for Coronavirus Surge in West Virginia, Where Patients Are Older, Sicker

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“Our biggest potential shortage will be just in equipment,” said Mr. Wright, chief executive of West Virginia University Health System, effectively the health-care safety net for much of the state. “We’re mentally preparing our employees if we run out of equipment or protective supplies, we’re going to have to improvise as much as we can.”

As hospitals in New York and elsewhere are pushed to the brink by an influx of patients and shortages of protective equipment, health-care workers in states with large rural populations say that even if they have fewer patients, the strain on their resources could be equally severe.

Some rural areas are quickly feeling overwhelmed.

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Tim Putnam, CEO of Margaret Mary Health in Batesville, Ind., said all of the hospital’s 25 beds are occupied, including by six patients with Covid-19, the pneumonialike disease caused by the virus. In the past few days, as many as six patients at a time have been on ventilators, more than would normally use the machines in months. Several staff members have tested positive for the virus. The hospital is conserving masks.

“My world has turned upside down,” said Dr. Putnam. He is planning to increase the number of beds in the hospital to as many as 75. The facility normally has three ventilators, but he acquired 13 more last week.

The hospital, between Cincinnati and Indianapolis, is in one of the country’s rural hot spots for the coronavirus. Three nearby rural counties had 113 cases, as of Tuesday, according to the state. Dr. Putnam said he is grateful he can still send some coronavirus patients to a hospital 45 miles away in Cincinnati.

“When you think about what this is going to do in rural environments when they’re understaffed on a good day, you start to understand the problems,” Dr. Putnam said.

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More than half of rural hospitals on average have one ventilator on site.

“This is a recipe for really bad things to happen,”
said Alan Morgan, CEO of the National Rural Health Association.

Before the coronavirus pandemic, 47% of rural hospitals were operating at a loss. Recently, they have been forced to halt revenue-generating elective procedures to prepare for an influx of coronavirus patients.

“There are horrific cash flows at hospitals right now,”
said Mr. Morgan. He said some hospitals are already trying to figure out how to make payroll.

In Kentucky, the governor said he would post National Guard members at hospitals if cases surge in the state. Yet a hospital in Ashland, Ky., with 1,000 employees, plans to stop accepting patients in April because of financial problems.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #800 on: April 01, 2020, 12:36:34 PM »
NYT:
"Deaths attributable to the virus, which have been climbing by an average of 30 percent each day for the past week, passed 2,000 with the reporting Wednesday."

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #801 on: April 01, 2020, 01:05:07 PM »
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White House officials said Tuesday more than 100,000 Americans could succumb to the virus in the US -- and that's if all the federal guidelines are followed closely, such as residents washing their hands often, staying home and keeping a distance.

Without those mitigation efforts, some models show as many as 2.2 million deaths, said Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

people arent following the federal guidelines, such as the two megachurches who thumbed their noses at guidelines and had over 1,000 people at each church, busing them in from 5 parrishes. NY just shut down playgrounds today as no one was social distancing. the government is making more rules as the public (and preachers) are being dumbasses, and not using common sense.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #802 on: April 01, 2020, 02:26:21 PM »

Today: 

UK    29,474    +4,324    2,352    +563

New cases are 143% higher than yesterday's 3009 and new deaths are 148% more than 381.

UK cases officially went from 25,150 on March 31 to 29,474 on April 1.  That is an increase of 17.2%  (29474/25150-1 = 17.2%) which continues the trend of much lower rate than what they have been experiencing.

your video was from two weeks ago

Exactly.  He has been dealing with that sort of nonsense for weeks.  For example recently stomping out media induced panic on distancing.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/dr-fauci-research-showing-coronavirus-can-travel-27-ft-is-misleading/amp/
Dr. Fauci: Research showing coronavirus can travel 27 feet in air is ‘terribly misleading’

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #803 on: April 01, 2020, 03:38:41 PM »
 it could travel 27 feet

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-droplets-could-travel-27-feet-warns-mit-researcher


the question is not how far the germs can travel, but how far can they travel before they're no longer a threat.


dr. fauci also said. "The virus can also spread by aerosol, potentially surviving in the air for a brief time, or on surfaces that people touch."

so you can go ahead and stay your 6 feet from people iam4liberty, i am more than willing to look paranoid to err on the side of caution, to stay away from people outside my family unit to keep them safe, and don't get closer to people outside my family unit outdoors at 50 feet. as of this morning, 25 to 50% of carriers are now found to be asymptomatic. since this is a novella disease, every minute finds something new about it

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #804 on: April 01, 2020, 06:39:12 PM »
Jack hit it out of the park again with the latest episode. Highly recommend that noone misses it.  Points he touched on:

Maintaining a positive, forward looking attitude and continue to make positive improvements in your life situation.
How the next two to three weeks will be bad but then the return to normal life will come much quicker than people think.
Why Chloroquine works.
Importance of treatments being given early to avoid putting people on ventilators.
Supplements that may aid resistance.
Benefit of staying home and ordering things for delivery.
Importance of having simple food on hand like pasta.
How the curves have flattened in Washington, California, and elsewhere and how people are trying to not report the good news.
The role population density plays in determing which areas are hot.
Reminder that deaths lag cases so don't lose your mind on that.
Drink more beer.

A+ episode.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #805 on: April 01, 2020, 06:48:38 PM »
Dr, Fauci sets the record straight regarding model's 100k projection (which actually has already dropped), the use of masks, and several other important topics:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fjdbhO4KNMk

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #806 on: April 01, 2020, 07:32:05 PM »
What did Fauci need to straighten out? 


Speaking of: 

WaPo:  Anthony Fauci’s security is stepped up as doctor and face of U.S. coronavirus response receives threats

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Fauci has become a public target for some right-wing commentators and bloggers, who exercise influence over parts of the president’s base. As they press for the president to ease restrictions to reinvigorate economic activity, some of these figures have assailed Fauci and questioned his expertise.

Last month, an article depicting him as an agent of the “deep state” gained nearly 25,000 interactions on Facebook — meaning likes, comments and shares — as it was posted to large pro-Trump groups with titles such as “Trump Strong” and “Tampa Bay Trump Club.”

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The headline in the American Thinker referred to Fauci as a “Deep-State ­Hillary Clinton-loving stooge.” The author, Peter Barry Chowka, didn’t respond to requests for comment. When asked about the relevance of Fauci’s emails to his role in advising the White House’s coronavirus response, Jim Hoft, the editor of the Gateway Pundit, said, “I don’t have a problem with more information being shared about the doctor.”

The outlet has continued to criticize Fauci in recent days, saying that by offering new predictions about the possible death toll, Fauci and others were “going to destroy the U.S. economy based on total guesses and hysterical predictions.”

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #807 on: April 01, 2020, 08:02:20 PM »
Good summary of model use here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTFooIVzgl8&t=308s

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #808 on: April 01, 2020, 10:25:53 PM »
US:  5,110 / 330 = 15.5 deaths per million.  Italy = 218 per mil.  Spain = 201

New York:  2,219 / 19.4 = 114.4

Louisiana:  273 / 4.6 = 59.3

New Jersey:  355 / 8.9 = 39.9

Georgia:  154 / 4 = 38.5

Michigan:  337 / 10 = 33.7

Washington:  254 / 7.8 = 32.6

Vermont:  16 / 0.6 = 26.7

Connecticut: 85 / 3.6 = 23.6

Illinois:  141 / 12.6 = 17.8

Massachusetts: 122 / 7 = 17.4

Colorado:  80 / 5.8 = 13.8

Delaware:  11 / 1 = 11

Rhode Island:  10 / 1.1 = 9.1

Indiana:  65 / 6.7 = 8.9

Nevada:  26 / 3 = 8.7

Mississippi:  25 / 3 = 8.3

Oklahoma:  30 / 3.9 = 7.7

Montana:  6 / 1 = 6

Pennsylvania:  74 / 12.8 = 5.8

Alabama:  28 / 4.9 = 5.7

Maine:  7 / 1.3 = 5.4

California:  213 / 39.9 = 5.3

Maryland:  31 / 6 = 5.2

S Carolina:  26 / 5.2 = 5

Idaho:  9 / 1.8 = 5

Ohio:  65 / 11.7 = 4.8

Florida:  101 / 21.5 = 4.7

Kentucky:  20 / 4.5 = 4.4

Oregon:  19 / 4.3 = 4.4

Wisconsin:  25 / 5.8 = 4.3

Alaska:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3

N Dakota:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3

Virginia:  34 / 8.5 = 4

Arizona:  29 / 7.4 = 3.9

Kansas:  11 / 2.9 = 3.8

Tennessee:  25 / 7 = 3.6

Arkansas:  10 / 3 = 3.3

Minnesota:  17 / 5.7 = 3

Missouri:  18 / 6.2 = 2.9

New Mexico:  6 / 2.1 = 2.9

New Hampshire:  4 / 1.4 = 2.9

Iowa:  9 / 3.2 = 2.8

S Dakota:  2 / 0.9 = 2.2

Utah:  7 / 3.3 = 2.1

Texas:  60 / 29.5 = 2

Nebraska:  4 / 2 = 2

N Carolina:  15 / 10.4 = 1.4

W Virginia:  2 / 1.8 = 1.1

Hawaii:  1 / 1.4 = 0.7

Wyoming:  0 / 0.6 = 0

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #809 on: April 02, 2020, 01:34:39 AM »
What did Fauci need to straighten out? 


Speaking of: 

WaPo:  Anthony Fauci’s security is stepped up as doctor and face of U.S. coronavirus response receives threats

CDC and NIH are government agencies with many questionable goings on in their history no doubt especially the CDC. The CDC has a budget of 6.5 billion for what? I know less about the NIH but I have never heard any convincing argument why I should want to learn from them nor any government agency in particular

If I want to find out about various health questions, the CDC is not the first place I would look nor probably even the 10th. Jack and others like him and various podcasts do not consider these agencies to be considered as anything amazing or particularly trustworthy