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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #810 on: April 02, 2020, 05:39:11 AM »
CDC and NIH are government agencies with many questionable goings on in their history no doubt especially the CDC. The CDC has a budget of 6.5 billion for what? I know less about the NIH but I have never heard any convincing argument why I should want to learn from them nor any government agency in particular

If I want to find out about various health questions, the CDC is not the first place I would look nor probably even the 10th. Jack and others like him and various podcasts do not consider these agencies to be considered as anything amazing or particularly trustworthy

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #811 on: April 02, 2020, 06:30:05 AM »
So how quickly will the defeatest doom and gloom crowd turn on Fauci now that he is pushing back on apocalyptic forecasts? 

Speaking of: 

WaPo:  Anthony Fauci’s security is stepped up as doctor and face of U.S. coronavirus response receives threats

That is exactly what I feared would happen.  The scorn of fans who feel slighted can be great.  Hopefully they can insulate him.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #812 on: April 02, 2020, 09:14:28 AM »
Post removed.  CDC study of gun violence does not belong in this topic.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #813 on: April 02, 2020, 10:05:05 AM »
Surfie, you find existing to be a suspicious activity

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #814 on: April 02, 2020, 10:19:50 PM »
Cumulative Deaths per Million Population

US:  6,075 / 330 = 18.4   Italy = 230   Spain = 221

New York:  2,538  / 19.4 = 130.8
Louisiana:  310 / 4.6 = 67.4
New Jersey:  537 / 8.9 = 60.3
Georgia:  176 / 4 = 44
Michigan:  417 / 10 = 41.7
Washington:  272 / 7.8 = 34.9
Connecticut: 112 / 3.6 = 31.1
Vermont:  17 / 0.6 = 28.3
Massachusetts: 154 / 7 = 22
Colorado:  97 / 5.8 = 16.7
Nevada:  38 / 3 = 12.7
Illinois:  157 / 12.6 = 12.5
Delaware:  12 / 1 = 12
Indiana:  78 / 6.7 = 11.6
Rhode Island:  12 / 1.1 = 10.9
Mississippi:  26 / 3 = 8.7
Oklahoma:  34 / 3.9 = 8.7
Pennsylvania:  90 / 12.8 = 7
Ohio:  81 / 11.7 = 6.9
Kentucky:  31 / 4.5 = 6.9
Florida:  144 / 21.5 = 6.7
Wisconsin:  38 / 5.8 = 6.6
Alabama:  32 / 4.9 = 6.5
California:  239 / 39.9 = 6
Maryland:  36 / 6 = 6
S Carolina:  31 / 5.2 = 6
Montana:  6 / 1 = 6
Maine:  7 / 1.3 = 5.4
Idaho:  9 / 1.8 = 5
Oregon:  21 / 4.3 = 4.9
Virginia:  41 / 8.5 = 4.8
Tennessee:  32 / 7 = 4.6
Kansas:  13 / 2.9 = 4.5
Arizona:  32 / 7.4 = 4.3
Alaska:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3
N Dakota:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3
Arkansas:  12 / 3 = 4
New Hampshire:  5 / 1.4 = 3.6
Iowa:  11 / 3.2 = 3.4
New Mexico:  7 / 2.1 = 3.3
Minnesota:  18 / 5.7 = 3.2
Missouri:  19 / 6.2 = 3.1
Texas:  77 / 29.5 = 2.6
Nebraska:  5 / 2 = 2.5
S Dakota:  2 / 0.9 = 2.2
Utah:  7 / 3.3 = 2.1
N Carolina:  18 / 10.4 = 1.7
W Virginia:  2 / 1.8 = 1.1
Hawaii:  1 / 1.4 = 0.7
Wyoming:  0 / 0.6 = 0


Note:  150,000 cumulative US deaths would represent 455 deaths per million, 25X worse than today, and almost twice Italy's.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #815 on: April 02, 2020, 11:55:34 PM »
In the European news there is a snippet that a cat contacted the virus from its owner. the cat died with similar symptoms of.
there starts another graze (there was a call from vets for dog owners stop slathering chlorine and alcohol disinfectants on their dogs) .

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #816 on: April 03, 2020, 04:36:10 AM »
Bloomberg:  Next Virus ‘Hot Spots’ Seen as Michigan, Connecticut, Indiana

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The rate of positive coronavirus tests suggests that the next “hot spots” could include Michigan, Connecticut, Indiana, Georgia and Illinois, said White House virus task-force coordinator Deborah Birx.

“We do have two states that have 35% positives. And that’s New York and New Jersey. So that confirms very clearly that that’s a very clear and an important hot zone.” Birx told reporters at a White House briefing on Thursday evening. Louisiana’s positive test rate is 26%.

“Michigan, Connecticut, Indiana, Georgia, Illinois -- that should tell you where the next hot sports are coming -- are at 15% test positive,” she added. “And then Colorado, D.C., Rhode Island and Massachusetts are at 13%.

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Birx said there are “a high level of negatives in states without hot spots.”

“California and Washington remain steady at an 8% rate,”
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Nothing to see here, typical defeatist doom and gloom. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #817 on: April 03, 2020, 06:14:32 PM »
Definitely need early intervention to keep people from getting on ventilators.  That, unfotunately, is a dead end.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
Ventilators Are No Panacea For Critically Ill COVID-19 Patients

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.

And many of the patients who continue to live can't be taken off the mechanical breathing machines.


"It's very concerning to see how many patients who require ventilation do not make it out of the hospital," says Dr. Tiffany Osborn, a critical care specialist at Washington University in St. Louis who has been caring for coronavirus patients at Barnes-Jewish Hospital.

That concern is echoed by Negin Hajizadeh, a pulmonary critical care doctor at the Donald and Barbara Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell on Long Island, N.Y.

"We have had several patients between the hospitals across the Northwell system that have come off the breatthing machine," Hajizadeh says. "But the vast majority are unable to."
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Unfortunately, Osborn says, "the ventilator itself can do damage to the lung tissue based on how much pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs."

And coronavirus patients often need dangerously high levels of both pressure and oxygen because their lungs have so much inflammation.

Another risk from being on a ventilator is that the tube carrying air and extra oxygen to the lungs provides a pathway for dangerous germs. Many ventilated patients get a new lung infection, a problem known as ventilator-associated pneumonia.
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But lungs don't always heal, no matter how much help they get from a machine, Osborn says. So people need to be diligent about social distancing to keep the virus from spreading.

"I know that at times it gets frustrating," she says. "But it's really important not only for yourself and your family but for the other people you care about to shelter in place until this is over."

Osborn should know. When she's not caring for patients at the hospital, she's living in a camper to avoid putting her family at risk.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #818 on: April 03, 2020, 06:36:22 PM »
Though if we pump them with enough HIV antivirals, it may be possible to lower that death rate.  As Jack covered, Chloroquine appears to work best in combination.  It can be thought of as a catalyst.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/connecticut-dad-credits-chloroquine-for-coronavirus-recovery/amp/
Connecticut dad says chloroquine helped him recover from coronavirus

A Connecticut dad said the malaria drug chloroquine helped him recover from a severe coronavirus infection, according to a new report.

Chris Tillett, 45, the first confirmed COVID-19 patient in the state, was in a medically induced coma for 10 days at Danbury Hospital after the illness ravaged his body, leaving him with bilateral pneumonia, the Connecticut Post reported.

Doctors used several different drug protocols to treat Tillett — who has twin infant sons — but he said a combination of chloroquine with the HIV anti-viral drug Kaletra worked best.
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Elizabeth said she’s eager to tell others — who have emailed her and reached out on social media — about her husband’s success story.

“I’ve tried to respond to every single one either through a message, email, or phone call,” she told the paper. “I want people to know what worked for him, and hope either his protocol or something else will be equally as effective for them or their loved one.”

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #819 on: April 03, 2020, 08:49:18 PM »
Might want to take a closer listen to Jack's statement.
Chloroquine isn't the "Miracle" drug, it's Zinc.
Chloroquine is just the vehicle that makes it easier for the zinc to be absorbed into your body cells.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #820 on: April 03, 2020, 09:08:38 PM »
Cumulative Deaths per Million Population

US:  7,392 / 330 = 22.4   Italy = 243   Spain = 240   France = 100   UK = 53   Germany = 15

New York:  3,218  / 19.4 = 165.9
Louisiana:  370 / 4.6 = 80.4
New Jersey:  646 / 8.9 = 72.6
Georgia:  198 / 4 = 49.5
Michigan:  479 / 10 = 47.9
Washington:  291 / 7.8 = 37.3
Connecticut: 131 / 3.6 = 36.4
Vermont:  17 / 0.6 = 28.3
Massachusetts: 192 / 7 = 27.4
Colorado:  111 / 5.8 = 19.1
Illinois:  210 / 12.6 = 16.7
Indiana:  102 / 6.7 = 15.2
Nevada:  43 / 3 = 14.3
Delaware:  14 / 1 = 14
Rhode Island:  14 / 1.1 = 12.7
Oklahoma:  38 / 3.9 = 9.7
Mississippi:  29 / 3 = 9.7
Kentucky:  37 / 4.5 = 8.2
Pennsylvania:  102 / 12.8 = 8
Florida:  170 / 21.5 = 7.9
Wisconsin:  46 / 5.8 = 7.9
Ohio:  91 / 11.7 = 7.8
Alabama:  38 / 4.9 = 7.8
California:  285 / 39.9 = 7.1
Maryland:  42 / 6 = 7
Maine:  9 / 1.3 = 6.9
S Carolina:  34 / 5.2 = 6.5
Montana:  6 / 1 = 6
Kansas:  17 / 2.9 = 5.9
Idaho:  10 / 1.8 = 5.6
Arizona:  41 / 7.4 = 5.5
Virginia:  46 / 8.5 = 5.4
Tennessee:  37 / 7 = 5.3
Oregon:  22 / 4.3 = 5.1
New Hampshire:  7 / 1.4 = 5
New Mexico:  10 / 2.1 = 4.8
Alaska:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3
N Dakota:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3
Arkansas:  12 / 3 = 4
Minnesota:  22 / 5.7 = 3.9
Iowa:  11 / 3.2 = 3.4
Texas:  97 / 29.5 = 3.3
Missouri:  19 / 6.2 = 3.1
Nebraska:  6 / 2 = 3
N Carolina:  27 / 10.4 = 2.6
S Dakota:  2 / 0.9 = 2.2
Utah:  7 / 3.3 = 2.1
Hawaii:  3 / 1.4 = 2.1
W Virginia:  2 / 1.8 = 1.1
Wyoming:  0 / 0.6 = 0
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #821 on: April 03, 2020, 09:18:34 PM »
COVID-19: Protecting Health Care Workers – Reuse and Decontamination of N95 Respirators

Not sure how long this video will remain up.

Sounds like there are several viable methodologies available at an institutional level, that have been adequately tested to prove no degradation in material filtration, and would allow for dozens of reuse cycles, but the weakest link for all of them is the elastic band.

Most of these methods aren't going to be easy to do at home.



Another link in case the youtube link above goes bye bye:  https://vimeo.com/403838013
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #822 on: April 04, 2020, 12:12:13 AM »
Definitely need early intervention to keep people from getting on ventilators.  That, unfotunately, is a dead end.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
Ventilators Are No Panacea For Critically Ill COVID-19 Patients

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.
And many of the patients who continue to live can't be taken off the mechanical breathing machines.


Indeed, but i would read this as patients are taken to the ventilator very early.

BTW I cannot point to a source, but there is word that CPAPs also help. But the specifics you will have to search yourselves.

Though if we pump them with enough HIV antivirals, it may be possible to lower that death rate.  As Jack covered, Chloroquine appears to work best in combination.  It can be thought of as a catalyst.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/connecticut-dad-credits-chloroquine-for-coronavirus-recovery/amp/
Connecticut dad says chloroquine helped him recover from coronavirus

A Connecticut dad said the malaria drug chloroquine helped him recover from a severe coronavirus infection, according to a new report.

I told you that it would be used en mass in Greece, but we already a cases recorded that it did not. Luckily the high ranking official was saved by changing the treatment to a certain polymerase inhibitor


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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #823 on: April 04, 2020, 12:16:53 AM »
Greece will testing Colchicine on 300 patients.
It is said that the drug helps by supporting the lungs and circulatory system for degrading by COVID
https://www.drugs.com/mtm/colchicine.html

And news on the Chloroquine front is that ti will be administered to the medical personnel as a precautionary measure. For those staying in quarantine and for those that are already on the front.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #824 on: April 04, 2020, 12:18:17 AM »
COVID-19: Protecting Health Care Workers – Reuse and Decontamination of N95 Respirators
Not sure how long this video will remain up.
Another link in case the youtube link above goes bye bye:  https://vimeo.com/403838013

Just in case, I have downloaded it in 240p. I can upload it in my mediafire account if anyone wants it.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #825 on: April 04, 2020, 12:21:57 AM »
this thing will not be ending soon....COVID will be returning again and again, cos there is such a huge reservoir to draw from (Middle east and Asia)
Found this tweet that came with video
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After police in the Liaquatabad neighborhood of Karachi in Pakistan tried to stop Friday prayers due to CoronaVirus, policemen were chased out by angry believers who refuse to listen to authorities to temporary halt congregational prayers.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #826 on: April 04, 2020, 05:20:29 AM »
Might want to take a closer listen to Jack's statement.
Chloroquine isn't the "Miracle" drug, it's Zinc.
Chloroquine is just the vehicle that makes it easier for the zinc to be absorbed into your body cells.

Actually, Jack talks about a couple aspects but not all.  He talks about the in vitro tests which show a direct suppression effect from the Chloroquine itself without presence of zinc.  Then he talks about how it enables cell wall penetration to work with zinc.  This is also covered in the video posted early on in this thread where a doctor explains the mechanization.  Since our body already contains zinc, there is some natural impact from this, but increasing zinc levels puts it in overdrive.  These two aspects are anecdotally being shown by low infection rates of covid-19 (or, perhaps same infection rate but low exhibition of symptoms) in high malaria susceptible countries where Chloroquine use is already widespread.  So population level prophylactic  use of Chloroquine by itself may protect against future waves of Covid-19.  This is being looked at quietly so as to not cause a massive hoarding of the drug by country.  It makes me wonder if Greece is planning on trialing this, starting with healthcare workers.  Jack is suggesting something similar with his Quercetin+Zinc+Green Tea formula.  This type of approach if it works would be a game changer as it could potentially drop the 20% hospitalization rate down to near zero making future waves not an issue.  But we need an antibody test implemented at high sample sizes to test this

But there is a third aspect which is not understood. In severe cases like those of people already on invasive ventilator, chloroquine by itself or with a zinc regimen doesn't seem to be enough.  But if one of the HIV medications is simultaneously used, some of these people seem to come back from brink of death.  It is hard to quantify right now, but maybe improvement in mortality rate from 95%ish to 67%ish.  Still not great but definitely an improvement.  This is the catalyst effect to which I was referring.

So we are talking about four things here potentially..  1) stopping infections from occuring at population level 2) Stopping infections from leading to hospitalizations, especially ICU. 3) Stopping hospitalizations from progressing to ventilators 4) Treating those on ventilators to reduce mortality.  Chloroquine may aid in all of these in different combinations with other things.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #827 on: April 04, 2020, 06:06:17 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #828 on: April 04, 2020, 10:06:16 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #829 on: April 04, 2020, 07:04:13 PM »
map of cases in California by county, this is updated once a day.

https://public.tableau.com/shared/NMWWFFGB2?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y

It is easy to see from this how much worse it is in LA county, and the greater southern California area.

When you scroll over a county, it tells you the county name, how many tested positive and how many deaths

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #830 on: April 04, 2020, 10:19:07 PM »
Cumulative Deaths per Million Population

US:  8,454 / 330 = 25.6   Spain = 265   Italy = 254   France = 116   UK = 64   Germany = 17   Greece = 7   Czechia = 6

New York:  3,565  / 19.4 = 183.8
New Jersey:  846 / 8.9 = 95.1
Louisiana:  409 / 4.6 = 88.9
Michigan:  540 / 10 = 54
Georgia:  208 / 4 = 52
Connecticut: 165 / 3.6 = 45.6
Washington:  314 / 7.8 = 40.3
Vermont:  20 / 0.6 = 33.3
Massachusetts: 216 / 7 = 30.9
Colorado:  126 / 5.8 = 21.7
Illinois:  243 / 12.6 = 19.3
Indiana:  116 / 6.7 = 17.3
Rhode Island:  17 / 1.1 = 15.5
Nevada:  46 / 3 = 15.3
Delaware:  14 / 1 = 14
Mississippi:  35 / 3 = 11.7
Oklahoma:  42 / 3.9 = 10.8
Pennsylvania:  136 / 12.8 = 10.6
Wisconsin:  56 / 5.8 = 9.7
Florida:  195 / 21.5 = 9.1
Alabama:  44 / 4.9 = 9
Kentucky:  40 / 4.5 = 8.9
Maryland:  53 / 6 = 8.8
Ohio:  102 / 11.7 = 8.7
California:  321 / 39.9 = 8
S Carolina:  40 / 5.2 = 7.7
Maine:  10 / 1.3 = 7.7
Kansas:  21 / 2.9 = 7.2
Alaska:  5 / 0.7 = 7.1
Arizona:  52 / 7.4 = 7
New Hampshire:  9 / 1.4 = 6.4
Virginia:  52 / 8.5 = 6.1
Tennessee:  43 / 7 = 6.1
Oregon:  26 / 4.3 = 6
Montana:  6 / 1 = 6
Idaho:  10 / 1.8 = 5.6
New Mexico:  11 / 2.1 = 5.2
Arkansas:  14 / 3 = 4.7
Iowa:  14 / 3.2 = 4.4
N Dakota:  3 / 0.7 = 4.3
Minnesota:  24 / 5.7 = 4.2
Missouri:  36 / 6.2 = 5.8
Texas:  111 / 29.5 = 3.8
N Carolina:  33 / 10.4 = 3.2
Nebraska:  6 / 2 = 3
Utah:  8 / 3.3 = 2.4
S Dakota:  2 / 0.9 = 2.2
Hawaii:  3 / 1.4 = 2.1
W Virginia:  2 / 1.8 = 1.1
Wyoming:  0 / 0.6 = 0


No sooner had I finished these calculations and Worldometer added per million numbers for the US states.  It appears that my population data may have differed from theirs.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #831 on: April 05, 2020, 01:18:00 AM »
why such big numbers in NY & NJ?
is tit hat the spread has been going for more days, or is it an indication of an overloaded medical system?
Can one assume that ICU and such advanced medical means are distributed equally along the entire US?

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« Reply #832 on: April 05, 2020, 02:15:57 AM »
NY and NJ cases are predominantly around NYC, easily the most densely populated area of the country and heavily reliant on public transportation, so the fact that cases took off like wildfire is not surprising.

Deaths go way up when the system is saturated, something we’ve seen in all the hotspots, regardless of how much technology and specialized personnel were present pre-pandemic.

Advanced medical care is very much concentrated in US urban areas.  Rural areas are often an hour or more away from basic hospital care and it’s common for patients to be flown to the nearest city for higher level care.

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« Reply #833 on: April 05, 2020, 02:31:02 AM »
I see..thanks

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #834 on: April 05, 2020, 06:28:35 AM »

Numerous sources call into question accuracy of tests


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/world/utterly-unreliable-the-mystery-behind-the-true-covid-19-death-rate/amp

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Numerous reports that navy hospital ships have hardly any patients
 
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/04/04/811844/

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #835 on: April 05, 2020, 07:36:10 AM »
Numerous sources call into question accuracy of tests


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/world/utterly-unreliable-the-mystery-behind-the-true-covid-19-death-rate/amp

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Numerous reports that navy hospital ships have hardly any patients
 
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/04/04/811844/



Numerous sources my foot.  Health officials have been very up front about the limitations of testing and the false negative rate in particular.  Thats why they are supportive of social distancing even if testing was more prevalent. "Numerous sources" like its some secret and not the open source releases of the entities doing the test...

Numerous reports of low census on the hospital ships?  Like its hard hitting investigative journalism?  Its known in official releases. The issue with the ships is they are made for battlefield injuries and have open wards where patients are mere feet from other patients.  They cannot risk getting covid on board.  As they and public health officials work the protocols for patient transfers, their census will go up. 

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #836 on: April 05, 2020, 08:21:40 AM »
an interview of a renowned expert. on many subjects
Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MZy-2fcBw

(and this why the white suit we saw in some of his video overviews here in Greece LOL)

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #837 on: April 05, 2020, 10:13:13 PM »
Cumulative Deaths per Million Population

US:  29    Spain:  270    Italy:  263    France:  124    UK:  73    Germany:  19    Canada:  7    Greece:  7    Czechia:  6

New York212
New Jersey103
Louisiana102
Michigan62
Connecticut53
Washington46
Vermont35
Massachusetts34
Colorado25
Rhode Island24
Illinois21
Georgia21
Indiana19
Nevada16
Delaware15
Mississippi14
Pennsylvania12
Wisconsin12
Oklahoma12
Florida11
Maryland11
Ohio10
Kentucky10
California9
Arizona9
South Carolina9
Alabama9
Missouri8
Kansas8
Maine8
Alaska8
Tennessee7
Oregon7
Iowa7
New Hampshire7
Virginia6
Idaho6
New Mexico6
Montana6
Texas5
Minnesota5
Arkansas5
South Dakota5
North Carolina4
Nebraska 4
North Dakota4
Utah 3
Hawaii 3
West Virginia2
Wyoming0

California, Arizona, and South Carolina represent the Median at roughly 9 deaths per million.

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #838 on: April 06, 2020, 12:09:16 AM »
Cumulative Deaths per Million Population

US:  29    Spain:  270    Italy:  263    France:  124    UK:  73    Germany:  19    Canada:  7    Greece:  7    Czechia:  6

New York212
New Jersey103
Louisiana102
Michigan62
Connecticut53
Washington46
Vermont35
Massachusetts34
Colorado25
Rhode Island24
Illinois21
Georgia21
Indiana19
Nevada16
Delaware15
Mississippi14
Pennsylvania12
Wisconsin12
Oklahoma12
Florida11
Maryland11
Ohio10
Kentucky10
California9
Arizona9
South Carolina9
Alabama9
Missouri8
Kansas8
Maine8
Alaska8
Tennessee7
Oregon7
Iowa7
New Hampshire7
Virginia6
Idaho6
New Mexico6
Montana6
Texas5
Minnesota5
Arkansas5
South Dakota5
North Carolina4
Nebraska 4
North Dakota4
Utah 3
Hawaii 3
West Virginia2
Wyoming0

California, Arizona, and South Carolina represent the Median at roughly 9 deaths per million.

Do you think that they shut some parts of the state, and the Country, down too soon ?  I know your area has alot of cases, but my county is barely over 50 cases, the whole place has been shut down for almost 3 weeks, so, since it has been past the incubation periods, doesnt that mean we are not going to get an overwhelming surge ? 

We can never move thru this without people catching it, we cant stay home forever.  I thought the point was to keep the hospitals from getting overwhelmed, which is a good thought.  We have seen this happen all over and need to avoid it.  But, so many places are so shut down and maybe they were wrong with the timing ? Or, maybe we were right with the timing, looking at it the other way.  But, we need to have a plan to move on also. Any ideas of how we can do this ?  And, am I wrong, that so few cases in after 3 weeks, that somehow it is going to surge while most of us are at home ?

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19 (a.k.a. 2019-nCoV) outbreak in China
« Reply #839 on: April 06, 2020, 12:33:06 AM »
It is often said by Ioannidis, whose interview I linked.
Start testing en mass. in order to gather statistics, cos at this time we are flying blind.
Then selectively relax measures to start developing herd resistance.
Else the virus will come en-force late autumn.start of winter (IIRC this same thing happened with the spanish flu, the second year was harder).