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former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« on: January 22, 2020, 08:45:00 AM »


 this was an interesting article that in some cases
vaccines can cause autism and snopes doesn't deny it though they try
to downplay it. It was on Gary Null of course as much good stuff is
found there that doesn't make it on NPR.


https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/425061-how-a-pro-vaccine-doctor-reopened-debate-about-link-to-autism

A world-renowned pro-vaccine medical expert is the newest voice adding
to the body of evidence suggesting that vaccines can cause autism in
certain susceptible children.

Pediatric neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman originally served as the
expert medical witness for the government, which defends vaccines in
federal vaccine court. He had testified that vaccines do not cause
autism in specific patients.

Dr. Zimmerman now has signed a bombshell sworn affidavit. He says
that, during a group of 5,000 vaccine-autism cases being heard in
court on June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice (DOJ)
lawyers he worked for defending vaccines and told them he’d discovered
“exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.”

“I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and
immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of
autism spectrum disorder,” Dr. Zimmerman now states. He said his
opinion was based on “scientific advances” as well as his own
experience with patients.

For the government and vaccine industry’s own pro-vaccine expert to
have this scientific opinion stood to change everything about the
vaccine-autism debate — if people were to find out.

But they didn’t.

Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his
position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his
opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.

What’s worse, he says the DOJ went on to misrepresent his opinion in
federal vaccine court to continue to debunk vaccine-autism claims.

Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr.
Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s]
views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection”
between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told
them the opposite.

Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health
Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and
misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably
in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ
inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved. (The inspector
general’s office said it cannot comment on investigations or potential
investigations.)


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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 01:34:24 PM »
This is old news.

Dr Zimmerman responded to this a year ago.

Statement from Andrew W. Zimmerman, MD, Professor of Pediatrics and Neurology, University of Massachusetts Medical School, January 15, 2018 [misdated in text, actual statement date was Jan 15 2019]

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Some media reports have mischaracterized an affidavit I provided in September 2018 regarding my opinion about the complex interplay of inflammation, mitochondrial disorders and the risk of developmental regression in children with autism, expressed in the context of the US Department of Health and Human Services Omnibus Autism Proceedings in 2007. ...

...in my opinion, there may be a subset of children who are at risk for regression if they have underlying mitochondrial dysfunction and are simultaneously exposed to factors that stress their mitochondrial reserve (which is critical for the developing brain). Such factors might include infections, as well as metabolic and immune factors, and vaccines. ...

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 04:17:25 PM »
This is old news.

Dr Zimmerman responded to this a year ago.

Statement from Andrew W. Zimmerman, MD, Professor of Pediatrics and Neurology, University of Massachusetts Medical School, January 15, 2018 [misdated in text, actual statement date was Jan 15 2019]

 Few people have heard about it and hardly any media outlets covered it. I just heard about it today. The conclusion seems to be he no longer claims vaccines and autism are unrelated although the quote seems to dance around the topic a little

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 06:26:48 PM »
He's saying that, if a kid has a mitochondrial dysfunction disease (which is uncommon), things that stress the mitochondria may interfere with brain development, and bring on autism-like symptoms.

Things that stress the mitochondria may include vaccines, but may also include infections (which might be preventable by vaccines), and other factors.

So it's definitely not a simple "vaccines cause autism" situation.  Also, I've read that his theory is not widely accepted by other researchers.  I don't know enough to judge.

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2020, 08:03:56 AM »
He's saying that, if a kid has a mitochondrial dysfunction disease (which is uncommon), things that stress the mitochondria may interfere with brain development, and bring on autism-like symptoms.

Things that stress the mitochondria may include vaccines, but may also include infections (which might be preventable by vaccines), and other factors.

So it's definitely not a simple "vaccines cause autism" situation.  Also, I've read that his theory is not widely accepted by other researchers.  I don't know enough to judge.

He was scheduled in 2007 to give testimony that vaccines do not cause autism. Three days before that he had a private meeting and expressed other concerns related to autism that indicated there could be problems. They then told him not to testify and fired him. I don't think the firing is mentioned in the affidavit

 It's not a direct causal statement but on the other hand the industry constantly promotes the idea that vaccines are completely safe and have no issues.

Also, he mentioned mitochondrial dysfunction and not mitochondrial disease:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170126093255.htm

Mitochondrial dysfunction is the root cause of many diseases that are bewildering in their variety and complexity. They include rare genetic disorders in children, some forms of heart disease, and most likely many cases of Parkinson's disease.

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related interesting article

https://mitochondrialdiseasenews.com/2015/08/26/mitochondria-many-disorders-compose-mitochondrial-disease/


The term “Mitochondrial disease” refers to a broad range of disorders, each of which involves a mitochondrial dysfunction, with many more believed to have yet to be discovered. Because mitochondria perform so many different functions in different tissues, there are literally hundreds of different mitochondrial diseases that result from either inherited or spontaneous mutations in mtDNA or nDNA, which lead to altered functions of the proteins or RNA molecules that normally reside in mitochondria.

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Mitochondrial disease primarily affects children, but adult onset is becoming more and more common, and there is a broad spectrum of metabolic, inherited and acquired disorders in adults in which abnormal mitochondrial function has been postulated or demonstrated.

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2020, 09:36:55 AM »
Well, autism curently has a very "squishy" medical definition.  There is no objective medical test.  Determinations are based on subjective classification of observed behaviors.  The standards for making these determinations change over time.  50% of children now classified as having autism wouldnt have been just a decade ago.  Given this, it isnt clear how many actual medical conditions are included under that banner. There are some firm genetic components which are understood but there appears to be some complex gene interactions are just starting to be reasearch.  The epigenetic and environmental factors are still highly speculative. 

Net, there probably is some connection between vaccines and some condition which creates behaviors that lead to classification under the autism umbrella.  But if there is, it is a really small part of the puzzle.

The point on the over-selling of vaccine safety is a fair point.  It is interesting how every other medical drug and device must have full disclosure of adverse effects when promoted.  But vaccines do not.  So most parents dont even know the warning signs for which to watch.

But the most dangerous thing is the overselling the effectiveness of vaccines which stop better versions from being made.  100% of all objections to vaccines could be overcome with simple improvements.  But this would nullify market prrotections for existing ones and cut into profits of the manufacturers. And with the billions in marketing, no media outlet is willing to cover the stories.  For example, how many know of the whistleblower-based class action lawsuit on the fraudulent measles vaccine research?  it vanished from the news under the massive promotions thrown at them.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.

The controversies will find Merck defending itself and its vaccine in at least two federal court cases after a U.S. District judge earlier this month threw out Merck's attempts at dismissal. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York. Merck could also need to defend itself in Congress: The staff of representative Bill Posey (R-Fla) -- a longstanding critic of the CDC interested in an alleged link between vaccines and autism -- is now reviewing some 1,000 documents that the CDC whistleblower turned over to them.

The first court case, United States v. Merck & Co., stems from claims by two former Merck scientists that Merck "fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed, and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine in violation of the FCA [False Claims Act]."

According to the whistleblowers' court documents, Merck's misconduct was far-ranging: It "failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing."

These fraudulent activities, say the whistleblowers, were designed to produce test results that would meet the FDA's requirement that the mumps vaccine was 95 per cent effective. To the whistleblowers' delight, the judge dismissed Merck's objections to the case proceeding, finding the whistleblowers had plausible grounds on all of the claims lodged against Merck.


With the taxpayers fueling their profits rather than having to compete, no progress is being made on better vaccines to replace these.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-co-results-idUSKCN1S616K
Merck raises full-year forecasts as vaccines power profit beat

It raised its 2019 revenue forecast to $43.9 billion to $45.1 billion from $43.2 billion to $44.7 billion.

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2020, 10:06:27 AM »

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The point on the over-selling of vaccine safety is a fair point.  It is interesting how every other medical drug and device must have full disclosure of adverse effects when promoted.  But vaccines do not.  So most parents dont even know the warning signs for which to watch.

 Not only that but they seem to want to keep moving in the direction of forcing people to take vaccinations. Right now it's kids but who knows if adults will be next and they try to get nurses to take them.

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Re: former govt vaccine expert admits vaccine can cause autism
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2020, 05:14:59 PM »
Dr. Paul Thomas is pediatrician who's published "The Vaccine-Friendly Plan."
When I read his book his track record was 1 autistic kid out of 13,000.
I'll take those odds any day of the week compared to the "norm."