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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #330 on: July 22, 2020, 10:18:36 AM »
I see in the news that Wuhan is now flooding.  So is the flood near the lab.  If the wet market was near the lab I would guess that the lab was in the centerish of town.  I would guess that if the lab was built correctly it should not be able to be flooded, but we can only hope.  Floods destroy paperwork/records and lord knows what would "wash out" of the lab if it did flood. 

There are too many ifs, should and hopes in the that statement to make me comfortable.  With this situation I am very worried about something else escaping in the flood and now comprised population.  On top of that all evidence can be "destroyed in the flood".

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #331 on: July 22, 2020, 10:36:23 AM »
I see in the news that Wuhan is now flooding.  So is the flood near the lab.  If the wet market was near the lab I would guess that the lab was in the centerish of town.  I would guess that if the lab was built correctly it should not be able to be flooded, but we can only hope.  Floods destroy paperwork/records and lord knows what would "wash out" of the lab if it did flood. 

There are too many ifs, should and hopes in the that statement to make me comfortable.  With this situation I am very worried about something else escaping in the flood and now comprised population.  On top of that all evidence can be "destroyed in the flood".

Sorry my tinfoil is showing

Yes.  The lab is on a lake on one side and the river a couple miles on the other side.  Lots of speculation on Chinese social media about the flooding as they released the water from the reservoirs just before UN inspectors were to begin work.  The flooding is definitely intentional as it is released from the resevoir.  But no one has come forward with evidence that it was done to suppress evidence.

https://www.wionews.com/world/is-china-deliberately-flooding-wuhan-to-flush-out-evidence-311451
Is China deliberately flooding Wuhan to flush out evidence?

Jennifer Zeng, an activist recently claimed that this move was undertaken intentionally, and that Chinese authorities are deliberately flooding cities in the Hubei province to purge out the evidence against China and its role in the coronavirus pandemic.

A World Health Organization team is scheduled to visit China next week to investigate the origins of the virus, and will probe how the zoonotic virus jumped from animals to humans.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #332 on: July 23, 2020, 08:45:56 AM »
Talk throughout science community is that the defecting scientists have been giving up the goods on spyjng by Chinese military to get bioweapon technology.  Texas and California Universities were main entry points with documents fed back through consulates.  Potentially dozen Chinese military officers were posing as students and gaining access to sensitive facilities through the thousand talents program.  Rumors of further arrests of professors with secret payments from China through offshore banks.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5492095002
FBI believes Chinese researcher with links to Beijing's military in hiding in consulate in San Francisco

The FBI believes that a Chinese scientist with links to Beijing's military is hiding out in China's consulate in San Francisco in order to evade arrest after she was accused of visa fraud, according to filings in the U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

The revelation comes after Washington said it ordered Beijing to close its consulate in Houston, Texas, by Friday amid espionage accusations – a move China vowed to retaliate against as relations between the two superpowers plumb new lows over coronavirus, trade and Beijing's move to claim more authority over Hong Kong.

According to the court filings, Tang Juan, a biology researcher at the University of California, Davis, was questioned by the FBI on June 20 and charged with visa fraud six days later. Investigators allege she falsely claimed on her visa application that she had not served in the Chinese military. However, photos of her in a Chinese military uniform were discovered and it was later ascertained that she had worked as a researcher at China’s Air Force Military Medical University (FMMU), according to the filings.


https://abc13.com/amp/fire-chinese-consulate-documents-being-burned-houston-us-and-china-tensions/6328284/
DOCUMENTS BURNED ON THE GROUNDS OF THE CHINESE CONSULATE IN HOUSTON

The U.S. said in a brief statement that the consulate was ordered closed "to protect American intellectual property and American's private information." It did not provide any details.

Media reports in Houston said that authorities had responded to reports of a fire at the Chinese Consulate. Witnesses said that people were burning paper in what appeared to be trash cans.

"It appears to be open burning in a container within the courtyard of the Chinese consulate facility. It does not appear to be an unconfined fire but we have not been allowed access. We are standing by and monitoring," said Chief Sam Pena.


https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/university-of-texas-investigated-for-links-to-wuhan-lab/article_66241dda-8e62-11ea-aa55-7f9876bc210e.html
University of Texas investigated for links to Wuhan lab

The University of Texas system is being investigated by the U.S. Department of Education for its involvement with the infectious diseases laboratory in Wuhan, China, and its potential links to Beijing and roughly 24 Chinese state-owned companies, including telecom giant Huawei, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
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The Education Department's Office of General Counsel sent a letter to Chancellor James Milliken last week requesting that it provide documentation of its dealings with the Chinese laboratory U.S. officials now believe was where the coronavirus was experimented on and leaked from, despite prior conflicting reports.
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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #333 on: July 25, 2020, 11:46:55 AM »
The defectors are making quick work at helping dismantle the Chinese spy network. The below article highlights one way they operate. Amazing how many were on the take. 

At this point we have to assume China has all the US biotechnology including former bioweapons research.  So what happens in future when there is another "natural" outbreak from Wuhan?  If we dont get a handle on this we will be facing COVID-20, COVID-21, COVID-22, etc. This is more danderous than nuclear proliferation. The international community must compell them to close down these biolabs. 

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/china-operative-pleads-guilty-to-spying-in-u-s-11595629687
China Operative Pleads Guilty to Spying in U.S.
Singaporean national said he recruited U.S. Defense and State Department employees to unwittingly gather intelligence for Chinese government


The Trump administration has ramped up efforts to root out Chinese spies, researchers and others engaged in what the administration says is a full-scale effort to steal intellectual property and other secrets. Such espionage was cited as a reason for closing the Chinese consulate in Houston. In retaliation, Beijing on Friday ordered the closure of the U.S. consulate in Chengdu, a city in southwestern China.
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It offers a “peek into the playbook” of Chinese intelligence, the acting U.S. Attorney in Washington, Michael Sherwin, whose office brought the case, said. “It shows how they operate in our backyard…and use networking to target soft targets,” Mr. Sherwin said.

Mr. Yeo is scheduled to be sentenced in October, and faces up to 10 years in prison. The Chinese embassy didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

In November, Mr. Yeo was returning to the U.S. when he was stopped by law enforcement at an airport, questioned, and eventually arrested, the statement of his offense said.
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“On more than one occasion, Yeo received the exact same tasking from all of his [intelligence] contacts, leading Yeo to surmise that there is one central authority in Beijing that disseminates research questions to various components,” the court document said.

Mr. Yeo used a January 2019 to July 2019 stint in the Washington, D.C. area to generate contacts, it said. According to his LinkedIn profile, Mr. Yeo said he was a doctoral fellow at George Washington University during that time “working on the foreign policy of smaller strategic states in light of US-China competition.”

A spokeswoman for GW said that Mr. Yeo was a visiting scholar at the university for six months in 2019, adding that he had no employment or student relationship with the university and didn’t receive any funding from GW.
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Mr. Yeo expanded his activities in 2018, when an unidentified handler told him to create a fake consulting company and advertise job opportunities for it online, according to the filing.

Mr. Yeo did so, using the same name as a prominent U.S. firm that does public and government relations work, it said. Mr. Yeo’s LinkedIn profile said he worked at Resolute Consulting and KWR International Inc. in 2018 and 2019.
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Mr. Yeo’s Chinese intelligence contacts gave him a bank card to pay his American contacts and told him not to communicate with Chinese handlers when he traveled to the U.S. due to concerns the U.S. government would intercept their communications. They also told him to use multiple phones and to change his account on the Chinese messaging platform WeChat every time he contacted them, the court filing said.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #334 on: August 02, 2020, 10:39:25 PM »
The information she previously provided has been verified. Timing in her deposition also matches one-to-one with previously constructed timeline by intelligence sources. The data files she smuggled out have also reportedly been handed over.  They are going to be rigorously reviewed to verify authenticity for sure. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12291760/china-scientist-coronavirus-leak-military-lab/amp/
Chinese scientist who fled to US claims coronavirus came from a ‘military lab’

A CHINESE virologist who fled to the US as she feared she would be killed has claimed the coronavirus came from a military lab.

Dr Li Meng-Yan, a specialist in virology at Hong Kong's School of Public Health, says she "clearly assessed" Covid-19 came from a lab linked to the People's Liberation Army.

China has previously faced allegations it covered up the early days of the coronavirus outbreak and has angrily dismissed claims the virus may have come from a lab.

Dr Li however claimed the source of the outbreak was a military lab which she had discovered while studying person-to-person transmission of the virus.

Speaking during a livestream interview with Lude Press, she claimed she was not taken seriously when she reported her findings to her boss, reports Taiwan News.

Dr Li said: "At that time, I had clearly assessed that the virus came from a Chinese Communist Party military lab.

"The Wuhan wet market was just used as a decoy."
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Dr Li feared if she spoke up she would be snatched by Chinese authorities, so decided to flee to the US from Hong Kong in April.

"I knew that once I spoke up, I could disappear at any time, just like all the brave protesters in Hong Kong," she said.

"I could disappear at any time. Even my name would no longer exist."



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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #335 on: August 03, 2020, 09:06:02 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-alternative-explanation-a-lab-escape-is-far-more-plausible/
‘The Alternative Explanation, a Lab Escape, Is Far More Plausible.’

If the virus jumped to humans through a series of human-animal encounters in the wild or in wet markets, as Beijing has claimed, we would likely have seen evidence of people being infected elsewhere in China before the Wuhan outbreak. We have not.

The alternative explanation, a lab escape, is far more plausible. We know the Wuhan Institute of Virology was using controversial “gain of function” techniques to make viruses more virulent for research purposes. A confidential 2018 State Department cable released this month highlighting the lab’s alarming safety record should heighten our concern.

Suggesting that an outbreak of a deadly bat coronavirus coincidentally occurred near the only level 4 virology institute in all of China — which happened to be studying the closest known relative of that exact virus — strains credulity.

Metzl notes that the Chinese government is attempting to avoid any serious investigation, with president Xi Jinping contending that investigations into the origin should be delayed until after the pandemic is contained. Metzl argues that an international investigation must include full access to all of the scientists, biological samples, laboratory records, and other materials, and that “denying that access should be considered an admission of guilt by Beijing.”

You may not have heard of Jamie Metzl, but he’s not just some schmo. He’s got the kind of sterling résumé that glows in the U.S. foreign-policy world — “deputy staff director of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee under Senator Joe Biden, senior coordinator for International Public Information at the Department of State, and director for Multilateral and Humanitarian Affairs on the White House National Security Council.” What’s more, he frequently writes about genetics and bioengineering. In 2004, Metzl ran for Congress as a Democrat.
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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #336 on: August 04, 2020, 05:08:13 PM »
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Prof-Tritto:-COVID-19-was-created-in-the-Wuhan-laboratory-and-is-now-in-the-hands-of-the-Chinese-military-50719.html
Prof Tritto: COVID-19 was created in the Wuhan laboratory and is now in the hands of the Chinese military

COVID-19, which is killing and infecting people all over the world, is not a naturally occurring virus; instead, it was created in Wuhan, in a level-4 biosafety laboratory. Not only Chinese, but also French and US scientists contributed to the production of this "chimera," an organism created in a lab.
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In its 272 pages, which can be read like a thriller, Prof Tritto explains the origins of the virus with precision and scientific resolve, starting from the Chinese attempt to study vaccines against SARS, inserting genomes from HIV into organisms (which makes them more aggressive), adding elements of coronavirus discovered in horseshoe bats, using a method called reverse genetics system 2.

Prof Shi Zheng Li, head of the Wuhan laboratory, was the leading figure in these genetic engineering experiments, but the lab received help from the French government and the Pasteur institute, from which the Chinese learnt how to use HIV genomes.

Some US scientists also helped, including Prof Ralph S. Baric, of the University of North Carolina, with funds from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). US scientists were interested in studying coronaviruses, which was prohibited in their country until 2017 due to their dangerousness.
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It is no coincidence that in the past five years, the Wuhan lab received the largest portion of China’s funding for virologic research, turning it into an advanced research centre under the direct control of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese government.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #337 on: August 06, 2020, 03:15:27 AM »
That China is threat to the world peace is no more a game of guesses. It is more or less a fact. But that China can't be controlled is becoming more apparent. That China holds 1 trillion US dollars as a hedge is a weapon in itself. If dumped into the market, USD will crack up and so wil the buying parity of the currency... result....US economy will too crack up. It has all the weapons that a super power should have. What is that will prevent China from repeating the Covid gameplan again...no one's sure about that.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #338 on: August 07, 2020, 12:42:28 PM »
With the cat out of the bag, they seem to be moving aggressively to implement weaponization.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/china-pakistan-enter-secret-deal-to-expand-bio-warfare-tools-says-an-australian-investigative-journalist/amp_articleshow/77164486.cms
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China & Pakistan enter 'secret deal' to expand bio-warfare tools


China and Pakistan may have allegedly entered a “secret three-year deal” to expand potential bio-warfare capabilities, including running several research projects related to the deadly agent anthrax, according to an Australia based investigative journalist Anthony Klan.

“China’s now infamous Wuhan Institute of Virology has signed the covert deal with Pakistan military’s Defense Science and Technology Organization (DESTO), to collaborate research in “emerging infectious diseases” and advance studies on the biological control of transmitted diseases,” Klan alleged in his recent article titled “China's Wuhan lab operating “covert operations” in Pakistan, creating "anthrax-like" pathogens



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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #339 on: August 08, 2020, 10:46:13 AM »
They are upping the ante and going into full scale production.

https://www.rt.com/russia/496952-china-virus-lab-russian-border/
Nothing to worry about? China to build Wuhan-style virus lab close to Russian border

China will construct up to seven new laboratories to deal with dangerous diseases, and one will be just a few hours from the Russian border. Currently, China only has one facility – in Wuhan, the original epicenter of Covid-19.

Before 2026, the country plans to build between five and seven more laboratories

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #340 on: August 11, 2020, 04:04:14 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-nbc-news-wuhan-lab-chinese-communist-party-propaganda.amp
State Dept. hits NBC News' Wuhan lab article as 'regurgitated Chinese Communist Party propaganda'
'They just regurgitated Chinese Communist Party propaganda and didn't press for facts.'


The article, ”Inside the Chinese lab central to the search for the coronavirus' origin,” was the first look into the lab, which U.S. officials have eyed as central to the outbreak and cover-up of the virus by the Chinese government. It was written by Janis Mackey Frayer and Denise Chow.

Officials have said that the virus likely originated in the lab, not as a bioweapon but as part of China's attempt to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States.
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Ortagus isn’t the only critical voice to take aim at the article. The Washington Post’s Josh Rogin, who laid out “several errors” he saw in the report, also criticized NBC for reporting the director’s claims "without any pushback,” before questioning why NBC's reporters bothered touring the lab at all.

“What did they expect to find, a piece of paper they forgot to throw out that says ‘Coronavirus Origin Evidence’?” he asked.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #341 on: August 12, 2020, 08:01:50 PM »
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000091
Might SARS‐CoV‐2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture?
A potential explanation for much of the novel coronavirus’ distinctive genome


Without knowing the true nature of a disease, it is impossible for clinicians to appropriately shape their care, for policy‐makers to correctly gauge the nature and extent of the threat, and for the public to appropriately modify their behavior. Unless the intermediate host necessary for completing a natural zoonotic jump is identified, the dual‐use gain‐of‐function research practice of viral serial passage should be considered a viable route by which the novel coronavirus arose. The practice of serial passage mimics a natural zoonotic jump, and offers explanations for SARS‐CoV‐2's distinctive spike‐protein region and its unexpectedly high affinity for angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE2), as well as the notable polybasic furin cleavage site within it. Additional molecular clues raise further questions, all of which warrant full investigation into the novel coronavirus's origins and a re‐examination of the risks and rewards of dual‐use gain‐of‐function research.
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To date, the origins of SARS‐CoV‐2 remain in doubt, and its behavior enigmatic: It has been reported that “the virus acts like no microbe humanity has ever seen.”[1] Although based on sequence analysis many prominent virologists and other eminent scientists have concluded that the novel coronavirus causing the current pandemic was not designed or manipulated in a laboratory and was the result of a natural zoonotic jump,[2] this assertion fails to fully account for all possible origins of two unique genomic characteristics found in SARS‐CoV‐2, and ignores the long history of serial passage as a method to manipulate viral genomes. The long‐standing practice of serial passage is a form of gain‐of‐function research that forces zoonosis between species, and requires the same molecular adaptations necessary for a natural zoonotic jump to occur within a laboratory, leaving the same genetic signatures behind as a natural jump but occurring in a much shorter period of time.
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The dual‐use gain‐of‐function research tool of serial passage was first applied to a strain of H1N1 Swine Flu, a variant of the pandemic influenza virus that was genetically modified before it either leaked out of a Soviet lab or was introduced as part of an attenuated vaccine trial in 1977. Although no one has ever taken responsibility for the introduction of this virus, it would become the first known example of a virus created by serial passage leaving a lab, which was later determined due to its inexplicable genetic distance from any known sister strain.
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Then in 1979, just 2 years after the introduction of this modified H1N1 Swine Flu, a different Soviet lab leaked weaponized anthrax out through an improperly maintained exhaust filter, and Soviet authorities convincingly blamed the deaths on contaminated local meat. This cover up withstood a formal inquiry conducted in 1986, and was not revealed to be a fabrication until 1992, when an analysis of dispersion patterns revealed that the victims were not those working with the supposedly contaminated meat, but instead all lived downwind from the Sverdlovsk weapons lab and its improperly maintained exhaust vent. Therefore, there is a history of denying laboratory leaks on the commercial meat industry that dates back about 40 years, an effective excuse that provided the Soviets with an alibi that held up for nearly 2 decades.
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Although serial passage mimics many of the natural zoonotic processes that occur during a natural zoonotic jump, because serial passage artificially condenses a natural phenomenon into a small temporal window, some subtle differences can be found. In addition to the inexplicable genetic distance from its sister strains, which screams out for an intermediate relative to complete the phylogenetic picture, SARS‐CoV‐2 has a remarkably strong affinity for spike‐protein binding to ACE2—some 10–20 times higher than SARS‐CoV's.[18] That affinity may have emerged after mutational events either in an intermediate natural host or after a zoonotic jump into humans that theoretically could have occurred earlier than the first documented infection, which would give it time to increase that significantly. So logically, it could also have emerged via selection after serial passage through laboratory cell cultures or laboratory animals as well. And regarding the second distinctive feature found in the novel coronavirus: If other viruses have been observed to acquire furin cleavage sites by passage under experimental laboratory conditions, then such a mechanism is theoretically possible for SARS‐CoV‐2 as well.[2]
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Curiously, studies examining SARS‐CoV‐2's infectivity in ferrets found that it spreads readily among them, and also appears airborne in that animal model.[38] This lends support to the idea that ferrets may have been used for serial passage since viruses typically take a significant many months if not years to acclimate enough to spread at all among any new species, nonetheless become airborne, which requires further mutations.

This relationship was further supported by reports out of the Netherlands that the novel coronavirus had spread among thirteen different mink farms there, and also to at least one farm in Denmark[39] and to another in Spain where 87% of the mink were infected.
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Taken together, the available evidence does not point definitively toward a natural origin for SARS‐CoV‐2, rather, much of it is more consistent with what would be found if the novel coronavirus had arisen from serial passage of a “precursor” progenitor virus in a lab
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The history of gain‐of‐function research is one of science's most significant and troubling, especially since the Nuremberg Code, research scientists’ Hippocratic Oath, dictates that experiments that could endanger human life should only occur if the potential humanitarian benefits significantly outweigh the risks.[54] It seems ill‐advised to rule out the possibility that gain‐of‐function techniques such as serial passage may have played a role in the creation of SARS‐CoV‐2 until more definitive data are collected, and when the Center for Arms Control and Non‐Proliferation has calculated that the odds that any given potential pandemic pathogen might leak from a lab could be better than one in four.
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And whether or not gain‐of‐function research is determined to have played a role in SARS‐CoV‐2's emergence, the fact that it creates opportunities for pandemic viruses to leak out of labs calls for a re‐examination of the moratorium against this practice, because the emergence of this novel coronavirus has demonstrated that the international public health community is not prepared to handle the leak of a pandemic virus. Furthermore, none of the gain‐of‐function research conducted since 2014 has provided humanity with any tools at all to fight back against the ongoing pandemic caused by this novel coronavirus.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #342 on: August 12, 2020, 08:36:19 PM »
China finally admits that US intelligence reports were correct and that the Wuhan virus alarm did trigger.  WHO is now trying to deflect implications.  But regardless, it outright proves China lied about the outbreak and hid vital information from the rest of the world.  WHO also penned an agreement with China that excludes the labs from being investigated.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-04/Wuhan-s-virus-alarm-doesn-t-necessarily-point-to-COVID-19-origin-WHO-SFaaIU5o6k/share_amp.html
WHO: Wuhan's virus alarm doesn't necessarily point to COVID-19 origin

The World Health Organization (WHO) has said the fact that Wuhan's specific surveillance system was triggered by COVID-19 doesn't necessarily mean that that is where the disease originated.
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"It was there for a very specific purpose. And the fact that that fire alarm was triggered doesn't necessarily mean that that is where the disease crossed from animals into humans."

The WHO has sent two experts to China to find out more about the origin of the virus.
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On Monday, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said: "The WHO advance team that traveled to China has now concluded their mission to lay the groundwork for further joint efforts to identify the virus origins.

"As a result of these efforts, WHO and Chinese experts have drafted the Terms of Reference for the studies and program of work for an international team, led by WHO. The international team will include leading scientists and researchers from China and around the world."

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #343 on: August 12, 2020, 10:24:13 PM »
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000091
Might SARS‐CoV‐2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture?
A potential explanation for much of the novel coronavirus’ distinctive genome


It's a good overview of the issue.  It also brings up an interesting third possibility, besides serial passage in nature or serial passage in a lab: namely, serial passage in a commercial animal farming facility, specifically mink farms.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #344 on: August 13, 2020, 09:23:21 AM »
It's a good overview of the issue.  It also brings up an interesting third possibility, besides serial passage in nature or serial passage in a lab: namely, serial passage in a commercial animal farming facility, specifically mink farms.

Yes, that is a distinct possibility.  It doesnt explain all the markers present, the full extent of the accelerated timeline, or the epicenter being Wuhan.  But it definitely should be fully investigated.  The Wuhan Lab reportedly did use ferrets (both live and via cell cultures) in previous gain of function research. So they should at minimum release details on that work.

It could also be a combination - with gain of function experiments leading to infected ferrets and then these being sold off.  See earlier posts in thread showing Chinese lab workers selling experimental animals.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #345 on: August 15, 2020, 08:26:23 AM »
Reports are that Dr. Ai Fan was not interviewef by the two WHO origin investigators.  Despite China saying she was not missing, was well, and would be available, she did not materialize.  She was the doctor in Wuhan who ordered initial tests, disproved wet market hypothesis by linking earliest cases to lab instead, and blew whistle on China's coverup.  She was vanished earlier in the year after giving interview which Chinese censors removed from internet:

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-the-interview-china-tried-to-hide-wuhan-coronavirus-dr-ai-fen-290499/amp

Now she is feared dead.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #346 on: August 15, 2020, 08:46:11 AM »
With overwhelming evidence mounted, China now implicitely admits lab origin of virus.  They have moved on to plan B, claiming it didnt happen in Wuhan but instead was created in US.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/coronavirus-didn-e2-80-99t-originate-in-wuhan-who-confirms/ar-BB17HmZj
Coronavirus didn’t originate in Wuhan, WHO confirms

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-wants-us-bio-labs-open-to-media-scrutiny-fm-spokesperson/ar-BB17Qu2A
China wants U.S. bio-labs open to media scrutiny: FM spokesperson

BEIJING, Aug. 12 (Xinhua) -- China hopes the United States could open up its research base at Fort Detrick to the media, release more information about its over 200 bio-labs overseas, and invite WHO experts to the United States for COVID-19 origin-tracing investigations, a foreign ministry spokesperson said Tuesday.

Spokesperson Zhao Lijian made the remarks at a press briefing in response to the NBC's interviews with directors of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and Wuhan Branch of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.



https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/16/china-accuses-u-s-army-lab-of-manufacturing-the-coronavirus/
China Accuses U.S. Army Lab of Manufacturing the Coronavirus

The Chinese Communist Party continued its weird and sinister propaganda campaign to shift blame for the coronavirus to the United States with an editorial in the state-run Global Times on Sunday that suggested a U.S. army research laboratory created the disease.

The U.S. government lodged “stern representations” with the Chinese embassy over the antics of foreign ministry spokesman Lijan Zhao, the loudest and highest-ranking pusher of conspiracy theories about American origins for the Wuhan virus.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #347 on: August 18, 2020, 03:57:43 PM »
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12425628/china-purged-virus-database-wuhan-lab-cover-up/amp/
LYING TO THE WORLD China ‘purged’ coronavirus database from Wuhan lab to cover-up full scale of pandemic, leaked data suggests

A CHINESE data leak appears to show the Communist Party "purged" a key database about the coronavirus from the Wuhan lab linked to the pandemic, an expert has claimed.

Cyber security expert Robert Potter said analysis of the leaked figures showed "major discrepancies" with the data China gave to the World Health Organisation.

Mr Potter explained on Sky News Australia that the database appears to show the Chinese Communist Party "purged" data to alter the country's real coronavirus figures.

He was speaking alongside Professor Christopher Balding who also said the data leak shows China was "fudging their own numbers".

It is latest in a growing dossier of cover-up allegations to be fired at China as the nation comes under scrutiny for its actions in the early days of the pandemic.


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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #348 on: August 19, 2020, 11:39:41 AM »
But comparing the records between Echohealth and the limited and allegedly "sanitized" records released by the Wuhan lab, they can show definitively the cover-up by China. That Echohealth has been refusing to release taxpayer paid for public records is telling on its own.  Also, the sample will definitively show when it was taken by its relative generation.  Lots of speculation that it will show itself to be the earliest generation completely undermining lab's claim that they had no sample until late in the pandemic. 

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/nih-presses-u-s-nonprofit-for-information-on-wuhan-virology-lab-11597829400
NIH Presses U.S. Nonprofit for Information on Wuhan Virology Lab

The National Institutes of Health told a small New York-based nonprofit that it must hand over information and materials from a research partner in Wuhan, China
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Among the items the nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance must provide to resume funding is a sample of the new coronavirus that the Wuhan researchers used to determine its genetic sequence, according to a July 8 letter from the NIH viewed by The Wall Street Journal.
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« Reply #349 on: August 22, 2020, 06:24:57 AM »
Interesting how their sister lab in Wuhan refuses to release records on  their incidents or an accounting of the staff who were previously listed on their website but are now removed and missing.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article245053105.html
Near misses at UNC’s high-security lab illustrate risk of accidents with coronaviruses

This story was originally published by ProPublica, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative newsroom.
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The mouse infected with a lab-created type of SARS coronavirus was squirming upside down, dangling by its tail as a scientist carried it to a weighing container one day in February 2016. But the mundane task turned dangerous in seconds inside the North Carolina laboratory, which has drawn scrutiny for its partnership on similar research with China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.

In that moment, it wasn’t enough that the experiment was taking place inside a biosafety level 3 lab, the second-highest security level, which was layered in high-tech equipment designed to keep dangerous pathogens from escaping. Or that the scientist was covered head-to-toe in gear to protect against infection: a full-body Tyvek suit, boot covers and double gloves, plus a powered air-purifying respirator.

As she carried the mouse, it climbed up its tail and bit her hard, breaking through the gloves and plunging its teeth — and potentially the virus — into her ring finger.

Then, instead of quarantining to wait for signs of infection, the scientist was allowed to go about her life in public for the next 10 days, wearing a surgical mask and reporting her temperature twice daily, newly obtained records show.

The scientist ultimately did not become ill, but the 2016 safety breach at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill’s high-containment laboratories is one of several near-miss incidents at the university in recent years involving multiple types of genetically engineered coronaviruses, the records show.

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« Reply #350 on: August 22, 2020, 06:41:05 AM »
https://www.worldtribune.com/new-coronavirus-evidence-points-to-wuhan-lab-release/
New coronavirus evidence points to Wuhan lab release

The coronavirus “almost certainly escaped” from a lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan, according to researchers with the Bioscience Resource Project.
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they translated a 66-page master’s thesis from the Chinese medical doctor
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“The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic,”
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Scientists found the source of infection was a SARS-like coronavirus from a Chinese rufous horseshoe bat, according to the thesis.
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“evolved” into SARS CoV-2, “an unusually pathogenic coronavirus highly adapted to humans,” and the samples somehow escaped from the lab last year, launching what has morphed into the coronavirus pandemic.
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their findings have been gradually gaining positive reviews from the scientific community in the U.S.

Renowned American geneticist and molecular engineer George Church shared their work on Twitter in July.
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Stuart Newman, a leading expert on cell biology and anatomy at New York Medical College in Westchester called it “the best sourced explanation yet of the origins of #SARSCoV2”
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"it’s being circulated underground in the scientific community...People think it has merit, but they are reluctant to go public because the coronavirus has become very politicized.