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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #300 on: June 11, 2020, 10:11:41 PM »
The amount of damage done by the PLA spies he brought into the country is incalculable.  We still dont have details on the secret biochemistry lab he set up there.  But we know the plan was to steal secret information from US companies, send it to China, then they would replicate it and file for patents before the true inventors.  Very clever scheme to launder stolen information.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5605910
Harvard professor indicted, accused of lying about ties to Wuhan university lab

Charles Lieber, the former chair of the department of chemistry and chemical biology, was arrested in January on allegations that he hid his involvement in China's Thousand Talents Plan, a program designed to recruit people with knowledge of foreign technology and intellectual property to China.

Lieber has been indicted by a federal grand jury on two counts of making false statements to authorities – a charge that calls for up to five years in prison if he's convicted, authorities said. Prosecutors say he will be arraigned in federal court at a later date.
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Authorities say Lieber, 61, was paid $50,000 US a month by the Wuhan University of Technology in China under his Thousand Talents Program contract and awarded more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at the Chinese university.
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Authorities say Lieber lied about ties to the program and the university, telling federal authorities that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. When the National Institutes of Health questioned Harvard about Lieber, the professor caused the school to falsely report that Lieber "is not and has never been a participant in" China's Thousand Talents Plan, prosecutors said.

Harvard said in January that Lieber had been placed on administrative leave.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #301 on: June 12, 2020, 07:31:31 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/12/twitter-takes-down-china-linked-accounts-spreading-disinformation.html
Twitter takes down China-linked accounts spreading disinformation on Hong Kong and coronavirus

The accounts that Twitter took down also focused on China's response to Covid-19.

"The tweets in this set focused on cheering on the Chinese government epidemic response, calling for Chinese and global unity, painting China as a responsible stakeholder in the international environment," according to Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO), which analysed the removed accounts.
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"This large-scale pivot to Western platforms is relatively new, and we should expect continued evolution and improvement, given the enormous resourcing the Chinese party-state can bring to bear in aligning state messaging across its diplomacy, state media and covert influence operations," ASPI said.

"The disruption caused by Covid-19 has created a permissive environment for the CCP to experiment with overt manipulation of global social media audiences on Western platforms," it added.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #302 on: June 12, 2020, 10:47:46 PM »
Uh oh, the left's favorite science group have joined the party.  Oh, and somehow China's dishonesty is Trump's fault.  :rofl:

https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-arise-from-a-bat-coronavirus-research-program-in-a-chinese-laboratory-very-possibly/amp/
Did the SARS-CoV-2 virus arise from a bat coronavirus research program in a Chinese laboratory? Very possibly.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #303 on: June 16, 2020, 06:56:19 AM »
Remember how China and their supporters claimed the Wuhan lab didn't have Ebola?  They lied and broke numerous national and international laws to acquire it.  The US media called it a conspiracy theory.  Well, now we know it is a conspiracy fact.

https://www.timesnownews.com/amp/international/article/wuhan-lab-received-shipment-of-deadliest-viruses-from-canada-months-before-covid-19-outbreak-report/607345
Wuhan lab received ‘shipment of deadliest viruses’ from Canada months before Covid-19 outbreak: Report

London: The Wuhan Institute of Virology received a shipment of deadly viruses from Canada's Microbiology Lab months before the outbreak of Covid-19, newly-released documents confirm.
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the lethal delivery was sent from the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, Canada, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in early 2019.
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Dr Xiangguo Qiu was removed from Canada's only level-4 lab over what is described as a possible "policy breach". Dr Qiu dispatched Ebola and Henipah viruses to the lab.
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"In response to a request from the Wuhan Institute of Virology for viral samples of Ebola and Henipah viruses, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) sent samples for the purpose of scientific research in 2019."

Experts are not convinced, though.

Amir Attaran, a law professor and epidemiologist at the University of Ottawa, told CBC News: "It is suspicious. It is alarming. It is potentially life-threatening."

"What we know is that before she was removed, she sent one of the deadliest viruses on Earth, and multiple varieties of it to maximise the genetic diversity and maximise what experimenters in China could do with it, to a laboratory in China that does dangerous gain of function experiments.

"And that has links to the Chinese military."

In a gain of function experiment, a natural pathogen is made to mutate so humans can see if it has become more deadly or infectious.

Professor Attaran added: "The Wuhan lab does them and we have now supplied them with Ebola and Nipah viruses. It does not take a genius to understand that this is an unwise decision."

"I am extremely unhappy to see that the Canadian government shared that genetic material."
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The revelations come amid soaring tensions between China and the West and, given the fact that the pandemic is said to have originated in Wuhan, news of the "policy breach" is a cause of concern.

US President Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed Beijing for its campaign of "disinformation" relating to the coronavirus.

Tory MP Tobias Ellwood, in an exclusive interview with Express.co.uk, observed: "COVID-19, if it's done anything, it has woken up the world to this rather aggressive and concerning objective of China wanting to quietly advance its own influence across the world."

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #304 on: June 16, 2020, 08:38:48 AM »
Remember how China and their supporters claimed the Wuhan lab didn't have Ebola?  They lied and broke numerous national and international laws to acquire it.  The US media called it a conspiracy theory.  Well, now we know it is a conspiracy fact.

https://www.timesnownews.com/amp/international/article/wuhan-lab-received-shipment-of-deadliest-viruses-from-canada-months-before-covid-19-outbreak-report/607345
Wuhan lab received ‘shipment of deadliest viruses’ from Canada months before Covid-19 outbreak: Report

London: The Wuhan Institute of Virology received a shipment of deadly viruses from Canada's Microbiology Lab months before the outbreak of Covid-19, newly-released documents confirm.
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the lethal delivery was sent from the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, Canada, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in early 2019.
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Dr Xiangguo Qiu was removed from Canada's only level-4 lab over what is described as a possible "policy breach". Dr Qiu dispatched Ebola and Henipah viruses to the lab.
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"In response to a request from the Wuhan Institute of Virology for viral samples of Ebola and Henipah viruses, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) sent samples for the purpose of scientific research in 2019."

Experts are not convinced, though.

Amir Attaran, a law professor and epidemiologist at the University of Ottawa, told CBC News: "It is suspicious. It is alarming. It is potentially life-threatening."

"What we know is that before she was removed, she sent one of the deadliest viruses on Earth, and multiple varieties of it to maximise the genetic diversity and maximise what experimenters in China could do with it, to a laboratory in China that does dangerous gain of function experiments.

"And that has links to the Chinese military."

In a gain of function experiment, a natural pathogen is made to mutate so humans can see if it has become more deadly or infectious.

Professor Attaran added: "The Wuhan lab does them and we have now supplied them with Ebola and Nipah viruses. It does not take a genius to understand that this is an unwise decision."

"I am extremely unhappy to see that the Canadian government shared that genetic material."
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The revelations come amid soaring tensions between China and the West and, given the fact that the pandemic is said to have originated in Wuhan, news of the "policy breach" is a cause of concern.

US President Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed Beijing for its campaign of "disinformation" relating to the coronavirus.

Tory MP Tobias Ellwood, in an exclusive interview with Express.co.uk, observed: "COVID-19, if it's done anything, it has woken up the world to this rather aggressive and concerning objective of China wanting to quietly advance its own influence across the world."


 Is that illegal ? It's very unacceptable that labs have these dangerous viruses and we can't know the truth about it

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #305 on: June 16, 2020, 09:01:42 AM »
Is that illegal ? It's very unacceptable that labs have these dangerous viruses and we can't know the truth about it

Yes.  Acquiring these is a direct violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.  That is why China didnt have them.  Even Russia refused to provide them to China.  But in this case, China used one of its agents to get a top level position within the Canadian lab.  Then when policy violations were discovered (most likely theft of biotechnology) they were placed under investigation but allowed continued access.  During this time they arranged to have some of the most dangerous pathogens known to man shipped to the Wuhan lab just as they were starting gain of function work.  It is now clear to everyone that China haw been using the lab for bioweapon development in violation of treaty.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #306 on: June 16, 2020, 12:42:21 PM »
Yes.  Acquiring these is a direct violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.  That is why China didnt have them.  Even Russia refused to provide them to China.  But in this case, China used one of its agents to get a top level position within the Canadian lab.  Then when policy violations were discovered (most likely theft of biotechnology) they were placed under investigation but allowed continued access.  During this time they arranged to have some of the most dangerous pathogens known to man shipped to the Wuhan lab just as they were starting gain of function work.  It is now clear to everyone that China haw been using the lab for bioweapon development in violation of treaty.

 I find that outrageous and highly unacceptable

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #307 on: June 19, 2020, 03:34:29 PM »
Preliminary analysis of Itallian water system supports lab leak timeline and bolsters claims of coverup by China.  Other studies in Spain and France are also consistent on this timing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-19/italy-had-coronavirus-in-sewage-as-early-as-december-study-says
Italy Had Coronavirus in Sewage as Early as December, Study Says

The coronavirus was present in Milan and Turin’s sewage systems as early as December, two months before the first Covid-19 cases were detected in Italy, a new study shows.

“Traces of SARS-Cov-2 have been found in samples of waste water taken in Milan and Turin on Dec. 18 and in Bologna on Jan. 29,” said Giuseppina La Rosa, who led the research for a coming study from the country’s ISS National Health Institute. “More traces were detected in other test samples through January and February.”
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The new ISS study “may contribute to shedding light on the first phase of the virus’s circulation in Italy,” La Rosa said. The results are consistent with similar tests carried out on waste water in Barcelona and with clinical tests on patients hospitalized in France, which showed biological traces of the virus as early as last December.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #308 on: June 19, 2020, 09:30:53 PM »
It does suggest that China was either covering up the outbreak or was incredibly negligent in its disease data collection.  But I don't think this supports any particular timeline, because a natural-source virus could follow the same schedule.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #309 on: June 19, 2020, 09:45:47 PM »
It does suggest that China was either covering up the outbreak or was incredibly negligent in its disease data collection.  But I don't think this supports any particular timeline, because a natural-source virus could follow the same schedule.

It does support it because we have clear times of when it occured from satellite data, conference proceedings, social media accounts, cell phone records, hospital accounts, etc.  This data falls directly in line.  It is completely out of line with what China' has been claiming..

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« Reply #310 on: June 24, 2020, 08:09:18 PM »
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/australia-under-malicious-cyberattack-from-state-actor-1.1592530328449
Australia under 'malicious' cyberattack from state actor
PM says broad attack targeting government, public services and businesses


“This activity is targeting Australian organizations across a range of sectors, including all levels of government, industry, political organizations, education, health, essential service providers and operators of other critical infrastructure,” he said.
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Australia enraged China by calling for an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic and accusing China of fuelling a virus “infodemic” and engaging in economic “coercion”.

China — increasingly unwilling to tolerate criticism of its more aggressive foreign policies — has warned its students and tourists against going to Australia, threatened more sanctions and sentenced an Australian citizen to death for drug trafficking.

Morrison said that he had notified the leader of the opposition and state leaders of the cyberattacks, which he described as “malicious”.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #311 on: June 29, 2020, 01:22:59 PM »
MODERATORS:  It's been a long time since I started a new post, so please correct whatever mistake I made...

COVID-19 virus detected in a Barcelona sewage sample from back in March 2019.

Link to the study as pre-published in a medical journal.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full.pdf

"...  All samples came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive.

This striking finding indicates circulation of the virus in Barcelona long before the report of any COVID-19 case worldwide. Barcelona is a business and commerce hub, as well as a popular venue for massive events, gathering visitors from many parts of the world. It is nevertheless likely that similar situations may have occurred in several other parts of the world, with circulation of unnoticed COVID-19 cases in the community..."

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #312 on: June 29, 2020, 01:50:53 PM »
wow! Thanks for sharing that, Fred. It is very interesting... and hard to understand how that could be... more food for thought for sure.

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« Reply #313 on: June 29, 2020, 02:53:21 PM »
wow! Thanks for sharing that, Fred. It is very interesting... and hard to understand how that could be... more food for thought for sure.

Most likely a false positive given that all the surrounding samples were clean:

This possibility prompted us to analyze some archival WWTP samples from January 2018 to December 2019 (Figure 2). All samples came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive.

Also, that one "hit" is not aligned with similar studies from other European cities but the later times are. 

Net, it is worthy of a closer look but definitely needs confirmation.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #314 on: July 01, 2020, 06:20:51 AM »
The thefts continue and the Dems are ok with that

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/house-dems-reject-resolution-condemning-china-for-coronavirus-cyberattacks/
House Dems Reject Resolution Condemning China for Coronavirus Cyberattacks

No House Democrats voted in favor of Kinzinger's resolution.

National security agencies have been monitoring the issue. The FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued a public service announcement in May to warn U.S. medical research organizations of "likely targeting and network compromise by the People's Republican of China (PRC)." The announcement accused China of seeking "valuable intellectual property and public health data through illicit means related to vaccines, treatments and testing."

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #315 on: July 01, 2020, 02:05:37 PM »
Most likely a false positive given that all the surrounding samples were clean:

This possibility prompted us to analyze some archival WWTP samples from January 2018 to December 2019 (Figure 2). All samples came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive.

Also, that one "hit" is not aligned with similar studies from other European cities but the later times are. 

Net, it is worthy of a closer look but definitely needs confirmation.

With all the problems and reports of shady things, I don't see how you can trust that the test kits are reliable at all. For all I know, some percentage of them may be pre configured to generate bad results. As far as I am concerned, the test kits are some black box that I have no reason to trust what they do and no one has tried to prove that they are trustworthy and not rigged or that they are reliable.

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« Reply #316 on: July 02, 2020, 03:32:28 PM »
Journalist who broke story in Western media of virus has been vanished day before WHO "investigators" arrived in China.  She first reported on the lab shut down, patients overwhelming hospital, panic among medical staff (many who died), and the crematoriums running 24/7.  If not for her, the West would have been caught completely flat-footed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/journalist-who-reported-wuhan-story-is-arrested-r8lnvt8lk
Journalist who reported Wuhan coronavirus story is arrested

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #317 on: July 04, 2020, 09:39:41 PM »
Previous bat strain published by Shi Zhengli of Wuhan lab is easily transformed into SARS COV-2 using gain of function techniques they were proven to be using.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-wuhan-institute-virology-bats-research-sars-a9601951.html
Questions raised over whether virus sample in Wuhan lab could cause Covid-19

Scientists have raised fresh questions over whether a coronavirus sample held for years in a Wuhan laboratory could have mutated naturally or via genetic experimentation to become the virus which causes Covid-19.
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In addition to giving a full genetic description of the virus, Dr Shi’s paper – published in Nature – revealed that the WIV housed a sample of virus collected from bats named RaTG13, which it said was a 96.2 per cent match with the Covid-19 virus – the closest yet discovered.
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However, past research work carried out at VIW to improve the ability of pathogens to cause disease, known as “gain-of-function” research, has been documented in papers published between 2015 and 2017, described in one paper co-authored by Dr Shi as “virus infectivity experiments”.
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The type of techniques required to turn RaTG13 into Sars-Cov-2 are “identical” to work previously carried out in Wuhan, alleges Professor Richard Ebright of Rutgers University’s Waksman Institute of Microbiology in New Jersey.

The very same techniques, the very same experimental strategies using RaTG13 as the starting point, would yield a virus essentially identical to Sars-Cov-2,” he told The Sunday Times.

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Re: Virus accidentally released from lab ?
« Reply #318 on: July 06, 2020, 01:59:59 PM »
There is very little doubt now.  We have direct documentary evidence of an origin virus which, through gain of function experiments, creates a perfect match for the covid-19 virus.  The chance of it also evolving naturally in the same exact way is vanishingly small and would require decades of natural evolution.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/covid-like-virus-from-bat-infested-mine-sent-to-wuhan-lab-in-2013-says-report-2257717
Covid-Like Virus From Bat-Infested Mine Sent To Wuhan Lab In 2013: Report

Virus samples sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology seven years ago closely resemble Covid-19, according to a report in the Sunday Times that highlights unanswered questions about the origins of the global pandemic.

Scientists in 2013 sent frozen samples to the Wuhan lab from a bat-infested former copper mine in southwest China after six men who had been clearing out bat feces there contracted a severe pneumonia, the newspaper said.

Three of them died and the most likely cause was a coronavirus transmitted from a bat, the Sunday Times reported, citing a medic whose supervisor worked in the emergency department that treated the men. The same mine in Yunnan province was subsequently studied by Shi Zhengli, an expert in SARS-like coronaviruses of bat origins at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Shi, nicknamed "bat woman" for her expeditions in bat caves, described Covid-19 in a February 2020 paper, saying it was 96.2% similar to a coronavirus sample named RaTG13 obtained in Yunnan in 2013. The Sunday Times said RaTG13 is "almost certainly" the virus that was found in the abandoned mine.
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« Reply #319 on: Yesterday at 03:55:15 PM »
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/politics/christopher-wray-fbi-director-china-speech/index.html
FBI director unleashes on China in speech

Chinese hackers have moved swiftly to target US pharmaceutical and research institutions making progress in the fight against coronavirus, FBI Director Christopher Wray said Tuesday in a wide-ranging speech that included some of the agency's starkest accusations about the country's threat to the US to date.
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"The Chinese government is engaged in a broad, diverse campaign of theft and malign influence and it can execute that campaign with authoritarian efficiency," Wray said. "They're calculating, they're persistent, they're patient and they're not subject to the righteous constraints of an open democratic society or the rule of law."
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Earlier this week, the White House chief of staff said that President Donald Trump would be signing an unspecified executive order about China as soon as this week.

In a tweet last week, the President said he is becoming "more and more angry at China" as the pandemic continues to spread.
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Wray on Tuesday described how the FBI has observed "cyber activity tracing back to China" aimed at US organizations that have made a significant announcement about research relating to the pandemic within hours of their announcements, mirroring other warnings from US intelligence officials in recent weeks.

Chinese diplomats are also "aggressively urging" federal, state and local officials across the country to support China's handling of the crisis, Wray said, adding that a state senator, who he did not identify, had recently been asked by the Chinese government to introduce a resolution supporting the country's response to the pandemic.
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"When it couldn't locate one Fox Hunt target, the Chinese government sent an emissary to visit the target's family here in the United States. The message they said to pass on? The target had two options: return to China promptly, or commit suicide,"