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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2020, 08:45:28 PM »
One of our own that lives in Asia reports they use a sponge in a bowl of water/vinegar. Oh my.
Another little skill to master is using the left hand. It is very unethical to use the right hand.
I have learned to do a lot of things with my left hand but this isn't one of them.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2020, 12:47:13 AM »
One of our own that lives in Asia reports they use a sponge in a bowl of water/vinegar. Oh my.
Another little skill to master is using the left hand. It is very unethical to use the right hand.
I have learned to do a lot of things with my left hand but this isn't one of them.

Yeah, shared washing implements,  is not sanitary.  People I have heard of and known that dont use TP at least do not share washing or drying implements.  The cloth used is used once by a person and then put in the dirty container to be washed and sanatized ---

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2020, 07:40:59 AM »
Yeah, shared washing implements,  is not sanitary.  People I have heard of and known that dont use TP at least do not share washing or drying implements.  The cloth used is used once by a person and then put in the dirty container to be washed and sanatized ---

I read a blog post years ago, before I found TSP, about a family who always used flannel squares.  They used and dropped into a bucket of vinegar water and then washed at the end of the day.  I have been thinking about that blog post quick a bit recently, trying to remember anything else about their system.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2020, 09:37:54 AM »
I read a blog post years ago, before I found TSP, about a family who always used flannel squares.  They used and dropped into a bucket of vinegar water and then washed at the end of the day.  I have been thinking about that blog post quick a bit recently, trying to remember anything else about their system.

Most I have heard of leave them not soaking in solution, for the same reasons it is now thought best to leave dirty diapers not soaking.  Soaking grows bacteria, and I know that is the idea of vinegar, but, I wouldnt soak.  And then movement and handling would be more likely for sloshing, etc...  just drop them into a cute coverd container next to the toilet, I have seen on a blog a repurposed tea kettle, or small ceramic compost container ( those are for smaller families)

Around here, even now, some households are going the in between route, which is to use a piece of flannel for the women for urination dabbing.  This doesnt have the pathogen issue.  SO, those flannels are just dropped into a container next to teh toilet to be washed. Then TP is used for defecation by all.  A roll of TP would last a person a long time like that.  For some of us, let's see 500 square roll divided by 3 squares, ok, 5 squares ... is 100 times so  3 months for a roll of TP.  That can realy stretch out TP use without worring about the pathogens

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
Oh my.  Bet there is a bit of tension in that household.  Wonder how divorce rate is running these days?  I can see it going either way.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alton-illinois-mayor-wife-coronavirus-party_n_5e8bfed2c5b62459a92e0da5

Illinois Mayor Sends Police To Break Up Parties. They Found His Wife At One Of Them.
The Alton, Ill., mayor said his wife showed a stunning lack of judgment in violating stay-at-home orders intended to stop the spread of coronavirus

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2020, 09:27:57 AM »
There is something odd about covering your face in public. I've worn an Israeli battle shemagh for years when out doing outside stuff. This week was the first time nobody blinked and other walkers asked what it was and how it worked. Imagine that, I went from having terrorist headgear to being the sensible guy.

You could walk into bank dressed as the villain of a cowboy movie with a bandana over your face and find social acceptance. We are adopting the visage of our greatest foes. From the outlaw cowboy to Darth Vader to Bane it's kind of an American troupe.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I think any tool to keep your hands off your face is good but it is kind of a sea change. Do I feel cool dressed in my shemagh and boonie hat? You betcha. But a month ago I'd be called a psychopath and looked on with disdain.

It's like we broke a cultural taboo and it feels odd.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2020, 01:19:33 PM »
Just try to see a doctor.  I have allergies to various things, including super bad hay fever every spring.  SO a week and a half ago I developed a rash, which is not usual.  ANd then, it didnt go away, it has spread.  Stopping taking various things has no effect.  SO I go to urgent care yesterday. Because I never get rashes or hives. Especially one that spreads over a week and does not go away. No new foods or meds for me to see an obvious cause.

This was easy, I drove thru to tents outside where they took my temperature and asked me questions.  My temp was 98.8, which is like the rest of you having a low grade fever, as my temp runs under 98 most of the time.  I told them, that is actually a low grade fever for me, but they dont care, so I get a pass to go inside. 

I see a doctor in person who wants me to go see an allergy specialist with an urgent request. SO he figures it is hives and it is bad and the specialist will need to do tests.

I just got a phone call to set up an "appointment" to set up a remote appointment.  I inform the receptionist, how is the doctor going to see the rash or test me over the phone ? SO, why should I bother ?   We are at an impasse. I saw a doctor yesterday, but I cant see one now at a different location ?

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2020, 01:48:39 PM »
Really let this sink in for how off kilter it is. I have no problem covering my face in public. If it prevents spread I'm all about it. But I donated my N95s and I'm not going to loop panties over my ears so the natural choice is my shemagh.

But here's the rub: What would you have said on 9/11/2001 if I told you I would in 19 years literally wear a shemagh that looks exactly like those Jihadis and go about in polite society?

That is the most strange feeling. Like something that was forbidden for 20 years suddenly became not just acceptable but almost a good standard. I'll be honest it makes me a little humbled at how quick society can change. Very strange times.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2020, 06:15:44 PM »
@David: That's an interesting point. While many were predicting that a pandemic would occur at some point, the way it has been handled and its impact on so many parts of our daily lives is striking.

I ordered some cloth facemasks (washable type with added filters) in early January, so DH and I each have simple black masks that we wear when we must go out to shop or other necessary thing. At first, it felt completely strange to be wearing the thing in public... it is getting much less so at this point.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2020, 07:25:18 PM »
Really let this sink in for how off kilter it is. I have no problem covering my face in public. If it prevents spread I'm all about it. But I donated my N95s and I'm not going to loop panties over my ears so the natural choice is my shemagh.

But here's the rub: What would you have said on 9/11/2001 if I told you I would in 19 years literally wear a shemagh that looks exactly like those Jihadis and go about in polite society?

That is the most strange feeling. Like something that was forbidden for 20 years suddenly became not just acceptable but almost a good standard. I'll be honest it makes me a little humbled at how quick society can change. Very strange times.
There will have to be codes of conduct that will allow you to wear a face covering if you are doing so for public health reasons but not if you are a thief or a terrorist.  :sarcasm:

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2020, 12:54:32 AM »
One interesting thing the news hasnt covered much yet is all the talk among the climate scientists.  Since the pandemic started, global temperatures have been dropping at record pace.  This wasnt supposed to happen as CO2 levels in the air are still at near record highs.  None of the UN models can explain this.  It suggests another contributor.  One hypothesis is that it isnt CO2 but rather plane exhaust coverage that is causing greenhouse effect. Regardless, it is creating a lot of excitement aa people wait to see if the trend towards lower temps continue.

And the oil glut has all but extinguished peak oil concerns.  And air quality is looking much better. So, ironically the pandemic is potentially alleviating other big fears.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2020, 03:16:56 AM »
my non-scientific POV is that transportation-in all- has gone down and heat generation by it too.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2020, 04:37:59 AM »
One interesting thing the news hasnt covered much yet is all the talk among the climate scientists.  Since the pandemic started, global temperatures have been dropping at record pace.  This wasnt supposed to happen as CO2 levels in the air are still at near record highs.  None of the UN models can explain this.  It suggests another contributor.  One hypothesis is that it isnt CO2 but rather plane exhaust coverage that is causing greenhouse effect. Regardless, it is creating a lot of excitement aa people wait to see if the trend towards lower temps continue.

And the oil glut has all but extinguished peak oil concerns.  And air quality is looking much better. So, ironically the pandemic is potentially alleviating other big fears.

So if you are a believer you could say that the one who created all has decided his creation needs a good housecleaning.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2020, 05:02:53 AM »
So if you are a believer you could say that the one who created all has decided his creation needs a good housecleaning.

A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2020, 06:06:45 AM »
A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2020, 06:33:25 AM »
A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?

Nah.  He said never again by water.  By fire, however... I believe that is next on the list (after the pestilence, famine, earthquakes, and war)

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2020, 07:21:07 AM »
Nah.  He said never again by water.  By fire, however... I believe that is next on the list (after the pestilence, famine, earthquakes, and war)

Good news is we will no longer  have to beg the Russian or Chinese government for seats if we need a ship for that circumstance. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-nasa-international-space-station-may-27/#app
SpaceX will launch two astronauts to International Space Station on May 27, NASA says

Without mentioning coronavirus safety protocols and the shutdown of multiple NASA field centers, agency Administrator Jim Bridenstine said in a tweet that the agency aims to "once again launch American astronauts on American rockets from American soil!"

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2020, 09:48:40 AM »
I looked at my order history at Amazon and many of my previous purchased items, made in China, are no longer available.
Real estate prices are dropping. I looked up real estate properties and all of them have gone down, some quite dramatically. A good time to purchase getaway property?

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2020, 09:55:36 AM »
This topic has been derailed.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2020, 12:11:55 PM »
This topic has been derailed.

Yup.  Weather discussion has been split off into a new topic in General News:

May weather extremes

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2020, 09:48:18 PM »
I think this fits here, I'm all in support of moral boosting, I don't know how the fly-overs do that.
https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2020, 11:59:39 PM »
Driving through the high desert this weekend I noticed a swath of multicolored shapes in the far distance.  As it got closer I could make out hundreds of airline tail logos from all over the world, all parked and waiting for business to pick up again.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2020, 09:05:01 AM »
I think this fits here, I'm all in support of moral boosting, I don't know how the fly-overs do that.
https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI

Last Thursday had a Chinook circle over the house about 5 times. I guess I just assumed it was waiting to land at the airport. Didn't think much about it but the neighborhood kids thought it was cool. Who knows.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2020, 09:43:36 AM »
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Couple finds true love, marriage during coronavirus pandemic
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Couple-finds-true-love-marriage-during-15276050.php

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Can your marriage survive the coronavirus?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/marriage-coronavirus-wellness/index.html

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2020, 05:48:22 AM »
Last Thursday had a Chinook circle over the house about 5 times. I guess I just assumed it was waiting to land at the airport. Didn't think much about it but the neighborhood kids thought it was cool. Who knows.

We live close to Joint Base Ellington. There is the 147th Recon. Group there, a bunch of Apache helicopters, Nasa, and the Lone Star Flight Museum based there. Always something going on here. We often hear planes taking off on afterburners, sometimes see on going ballistic. The WWII planes fly around here sometimes. Just a couple weeks ago there was a flight of 30 WWII planes passing overhead. There's nothing like the sound of that many round engines. Every time I here a military helicopter or radial engine I have to run outside and try to find it. More impressive to me than the jets. Always cool.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2020, 12:03:00 PM »
Worldwide CO2 emissions have dropped an estimated 17% globally, the largest drop ever recorded.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1210331
Carbon emissions dropped 17 percent globally amid coronavirus
“Globally, we haven’t seen a drop this big ever, and at the yearly level, you would have to go back to World War II to see such a big drop in emissions."

Yet, CO2 concentration in the atmosphere continues to rise.  This is because of natural emissions of CO2 which dwarf manmade sources.  Even this huge reduction from human emissions is so small in absolute terms that it is undetectable against natural fluctuations.

April 2020:    416.21 ppm
April 2019:   413.33 ppm
Last updated: May 5, 2020




Quite an interesting side effect to the COVID-19 pandemic.  We are learning a lot  about the drivers of CO2 concentration and global temperature.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2020, 04:20:19 AM »
I think we will be seeing a redefinition/reformation from working from home.
It seems that not all is cheesy and convenient, since the bad after effects have started.
1. Many employers are taking advantage of the situation and require their employees be available during the whole day of.
2. Studies show that performance has dropped for people that work at home while kids are around.

And something interesting I learned while studying for an agronomist certification.
Labor is a resource, but its specific characteristic is that it is NOT storable.
An old time factory cannot plug on and off its labor forces.
But working from home, allows that specifically.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2020, 06:27:54 AM »
I think we will be seeing a redefinition/reformation from working from home.
It seems that not all is cheesy and convenient, since the bad after effects have started.
1. Many employers are taking advantage of the situation and require their employees be available during the whole day of.
2. Studies show that performance has dropped for people that work at home while kids are around.

My husband works from home, and has for most of the last 13 years.  We have had lots of experience with this "new" phenomenon.

1 - yeah, I can see that.  My husband's company is a small tech company, and yes, he is "on-call" most of the day.  But with his co-workers in Puerto Rico and New Zealand, the three of them are able to be "on-call" at different hours and not be awoken.  They have it worked out that they have meetings at a certain time so that they can all be there, early-late, depending on location.  I think there will be some learning that goes on.  For example, employees being able to get up and start work at 5am if they want, and end at 2.  Part of that working, however, is a good communication.  Boss knows what time the worker is "on" and not expecting more of that.  Scheduling a strict meeting time so everyone can attend the meeting and plan it into the day, and work around that.

2.  Kids.  We have always had a strict "when dad is in his office, he is working" policy.  The kids are not to disturb him without talking to me first so I can see if he is available.  If I leave, the kids can only disturb him in cases of "broke, burning, or bleeding."  The hardest is when the baby-toddler realizes that her favorite daddy is NOT gone all day, but just on the other side of that door.  Then she bangs on the door and cries "daddy-daddy-daddy" and feels neglected and abandoned and unloved when daddy doesn't open the door.  It also breaks daddy's heart cuz we know if he opens that door, it will teach said child he can be disturbed whenever.  It takes a while, but our method was for me to come snag said crying child, love her happy, explain "daddy is working and loves you very much.  How about we make him a snack, and I can find out when you can take it down to him?"  And then she toddles a treat down, gets lots of love and comes back up.  But we teach that I am the gatekeeper.  The older kids have also been known to slip notes under the door to answer at his convenience.


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And something interesting I learned while studying for an agronomist certification.
Labor is a resource, but its specific characteristic is that it is NOT storable.
An old time factory cannot plug on and off its labor forces.
But working from home, allows that specifically.

I do not understand.  How does working from home allow labor to be stored?  Will you expound?

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2020, 08:58:28 AM »
I do not understand.  How does working from home allow labor to be stored?  Will you expound?

By either
1. setting an odd timetable i.e. the boss demanding from your husband's team to split the day in three and cover it in shifts. this way the company does not have to have the three on site at the same time.
2. by demanding an employee being on call 24/7 and be paid by the actual hours expended, with waiting time non-payable.
The worst case of the latter (work for 8 hours from home AND cover -without extra pay- emergencies after that) is already happening in Greece.

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Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2020, 10:27:35 AM »