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Title: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on March 28, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
A week or so ago, I posted the question "What is the First Rule of GunFighting?"
The stock answer is "have a gun'

Seeing how 'Survival' is a life or death issue, depending on your performance (and luck) for its outcome, a corrolation can be made to gunfighting.

If we accept that corrolation, if 'have a gun' is the correct answer to the first question, then is it correct to say that the First Rule of Survival is "to have preps"? Or, "to have survival equipment"?

What say you, Ants?
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Darkwinter on March 28, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
The basic rules are; breath, shelter, eat, and drink.

But I think the most important rule of survival is determination.  Without the will to survive you have nothing.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: sledgehammer on March 28, 2010, 06:12:43 PM
The will to survive.

Your preps affect what you CAN do, not what you WILL do.

In one hand, you have a pocket knife. In your other hand,  well, your other hand is actually being smashed by a boulder. You CAN cut your own arms off but WILL you?

Sledgehammer
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: MightyRunt on March 28, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
Not first, but fourth or fifth maybe. Having a plan and being able to think outside the box.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on March 28, 2010, 06:19:04 PM
IMO the most important elements of survival are information and preplanning.  The best BOB available is useless if you don’t know how to use the stuff inside.  The middle of a disaster is the wrong place to start attempting to decide what to do.

In order to survive you need to acquire the necessary survival information, and you need to make plans in advance to cover any contingency.  Reaction time in an emergency could be hours, but it could also be seconds.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Angry.mitro on March 28, 2010, 07:52:54 PM
the first rule of survival is to never talk about survival ((fight club)) lol beer is good
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ozarked on March 28, 2010, 07:58:31 PM
The first rule for surviving any situation is "Don't Panic!".  IOW, keep your head.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: kc9eci on March 28, 2010, 07:59:53 PM
The first rule of survival is scene safety.  If the scene isn't safe, you aren't safe and to continue your survival you either need to make it safe, or relocate to a position of safety.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Cult Leader on March 28, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
I have to agree the above post...the correct answer is Obtain knowledge\skill.

This would be the correct answer for both the question for the gun fight as well as SHTF.

Suppose you have two identical guns, both loaded with identical ammo.  One is given to a USMC Master Sergent, the other to a tribesman from an isolated indigenous clan the Amazon Rainforest.  Both are faced with a life threatening situation and they need to use their weapon to survive.  Which of the two would have be best odds of survival?

The same logic with prepping.  You can have a pantry full of #10 cans of every imaginable ingredient, but without the knowledge and skills you'll be lucky to survive, much less enjoy what you've prepared.  By the way, knowledge of using a can opener would be handy as well.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Truik on March 28, 2010, 08:03:30 PM
With sincere respect for the previous posts, as they are all very good and insightful posts, my own personal #1 rule to survival is that there are no hard, fast rules for survival which are more important than the others. Each of our rules may have its shining moment and, at that time, it may seem like the most important thing but the most important rule, to me, is simply to survive.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: PaCoTx on March 28, 2010, 08:09:14 PM
Here are my rules of survival.

1. Remain alive today.  (Identify immediate threats and overcome them.)
2. Wake up alive tomorrow. (Plan for overcoming today's and tonight's threats.)
3. Plan for waking up alive in the near future. (Short term disaster preparation.)
4. Plan on waking up happy/comfortable tomorrow. (Living a better life if things get tough or...)
5. Plan for waking up alive in the foreseeable future.  (long term planning.)
6. Plan for being happy/comfortable in the near future.
7. Plan for being happy/comfortable in the foreseeable future.

I debated switching 4 and 5.

Although they may be an over simplification, if you follow these rules and you will be fine.  Use them to prioritize your preps, training, knowledge base.

Luckily, we very seldom have to worry about #1 & #2, mostly because we practice #3.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Komodo on March 28, 2010, 08:29:42 PM
I would offer that maybe the first rule of survival could just be to adapt.  Adapt to the situation, adapt to what you have available to work with, adapt to using the skills you know well, and adapt to realistic outcomes/expectations. 

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: mxitman on March 28, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
#1) Using Your Brain

Without it anything else is pointless! But; Will, Determination, Skill, Etc... are definitely a part of it.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ColdHaven on March 28, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
I'll bite. I think the answer is as simple as the answer to your gun question. The first rule of survival is to survive. If you do not survive then you are not a survivor. Everything else like preps, knowledge, and even a gun are tools used to accomplish survival. 
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: bartsdad on March 28, 2010, 10:31:00 PM
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Yoda
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: JerseyVince on March 28, 2010, 10:55:20 PM
1) Remember after the initial shock wears off that you are in a survival situation, get yourself together and focus on the immediate problem at hand and try to keep your mind on it. Panic is contagious and spreads and it will/has killed the best of people.

2) Take care of yourself, you wont be good to anyone else or yourself if you get hurt trying to do too much at once.

I'm sure most of us have been lost in the woods even for a few mins and have had that OH-Shi&!! feeling
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: rjselzler on March 28, 2010, 11:31:25 PM
"Don't Die."
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: OLD DUDE on March 29, 2010, 06:10:13 AM
Sit down,relax and ponder the WTF happened drill,then proceed.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on March 29, 2010, 07:34:36 AM
I think the Boy Scouts answered this one.  "Be Prepared".  That doesn't mean have lots of food or the right equipment available at all times.  It means have the knowledge needed to survive in a given situation (Even if you have nothing) and be prepared to make use of whatever is available.  This kind of mental preparedness helps to ensure you don't panic in a given situation and increases your chances of survival.  (Whether your the lone survivor of a plane crash in the ocean and end up on a deserted island with absolutely nothing or you are somewhere semi urban with lots of "Potentially" useful items surrounding you.)  Heck a junkyard in a survival situation may be the Kings Court so to speak.

I think survival starts at Base 0,  Meaning, if you are prepared to survive with nothing but the clothes on your back, then ever extra "Resource" available to you, whether is your own preps if you are surviving at home or at your BOL, or you have only your Get Home bag with you 1000 miles away from home, or all you have is a pocket knife in the middle of nowhere, that is a PLUS.  Start with preparedness to survive at base 0 which equates to knowledge.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ncjeeper on March 29, 2010, 10:23:36 AM
Having the correct mind set.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Muddyboots on March 29, 2010, 11:56:35 AM
First rule of survival?

Have a plan.

A realistic plan that is based on reasoned examination of probability of occurrence and backed up by ever expanding skill base and preparation.

Muddyboots

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: womule on March 29, 2010, 03:16:22 PM
Don't stop breating. That's the first rule ;)
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: phuttan on March 29, 2010, 04:06:27 PM
The first rule of survival is to survive.

That said, your first concern should be knowledge and planning. Start studying how to survive in different environments and situations. Practice the skills you learn as you study. The most basic needs are the ability to cut and to produce fire. Everything else comes after them. Without the ability to cut and produce fire, most people won't survive.

Pat
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: kiteflyer on March 29, 2010, 04:51:11 PM

 Unless your a mountain man, you will need to group together to survive.That means to find people you can trust and work together to ward off incoming attacks or disasters.I find that many still go to work and support their nuclear family and could care less about their neighbors.When The SHTF many will have to wake up and make do or die.Discern the best you can to find people who have honor & integrity.Also to be vigilant in respecting of others and the group as a whole also must do the same.A band of brothers & sisters that know they must change and adapt and get to helping the group as whole in doing so. A  good leader must give more then he takes to lead.

                   kiteflyer
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Beetle on March 29, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
  Mine is think.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on March 29, 2010, 05:09:40 PM
One other thing to consider.  "Survival" doesn't necessarily mean SHTF or TEOTWAWKI.  It could mean walking down the street and getting confronted by thugs, it could mean getting stranded on an island in the middle of the Mississippi river while your fishing, it could mean being in your car when it rolls off the road down into the water.  It could mean twisting your ankle on a short hike in an area you know very well.  It could mean falling in to cold water while your out fishing or hiking.

Survival is not a situation.  Its a mental state.  You can't prepare for every contingency, but you can prepare to deal with any contingency.


Just sayin   ;)

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on March 29, 2010, 05:14:15 PM
The first rule of survival is to survive.

That said, your first concern should be knowledge and planning. Start studying how to survive in different environments and situations. Practice the skills you learn as you study. The most basic needs are the ability to cut and to produce fire. Everything else comes after them. Without the ability to cut and produce fire, most people won't survive.

Pat

The first rule of survial is to be a survivor.
This is a synthisis of 3 things; body, mind, spirit/heart (listed with the first thing being the least important, the last, being most important, prolly along the lines of 1,10,100 if I were to place a value on them)

Preps and tools (body) don't do you any good if you don't know what to do with them.
Skill/training is of no avail if you haven't the heart to employ what you know.
Heart is what will pull you through.


Are you familiar with Roy Benavidez?

Medal of Honor citation
BENAVIDEZ, ROY P.
Rank and organization: Master Sergeant. Organization: Detachment B-56, 5th Special Forces Group, Republic of Vietnam
Place and date: West of Loc Ninh on May 2, 1968
Entered service at: Houston, Texas June 1955
Born: August 5, 1935, DeWitt County, Cuero, Texas.
Citation:

Army Master Sgt. Roy P. Benavidez (center) is flanked by United States Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger (left) and President Ronald Reagan at his Medal of Honor presentation ceremony in 1981.Master Sergeant (then Staff Sergeant) Roy P. Benavidez United States Army, who distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions on 2 May 1968 while assigned to Detachment B56, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Republic of Vietnam. On the morning of 2 May 1968, a 12-man Special Forces Reconnaissance Team was inserted by helicopters in a dense jungle area west of Loc Ninh, Vietnam to gather intelligence information about confirmed large-scale enemy activity. This area was controlled and routinely patrolled by the North Vietnamese Army. After a short period of time on the ground, the team met heavy enemy resistance, and requested emergency extraction. Three helicopters attempted extraction, but were unable to land due to intense enemy small arms and anti-aircraft fire. Sergeant Benavidez was at the Forward Operating Base in Loc Ninh monitoring the operation by radio when these helicopters returned to off-load wounded crewmembers and to assess aircraft damage. Sergeant Benavidez voluntarily boarded a returning aircraft to assist in another extraction attempt. Realizing that all the team members were either dead or wounded and unable to move to the pickup zone, he directed the aircraft to a nearby clearing where he jumped from the hovering helicopter, and ran approximately 75 meters under withering small arms fire to the crippled team. Prior to reaching the team's position he was wounded in his right leg, face, and head. Despite these painful injuries, he took charge, repositioning the team members and directing their fire to facilitate the landing of an extraction aircraft, and the loading of wounded and dead team members. He then threw smoke canisters to direct the aircraft to the team's position. Despite his severe wounds and under intense enemy fire, he carried and dragged half of the wounded team members to the awaiting aircraft. He then provided protective fire by running alongside the aircraft as it moved to pick up the remaining team members. As the enemy's fire intensified, he hurried to recover the body and classified documents on the dead team leader. When he reached the leader's body, Sergeant Benavidez was severely wounded by small arms fire in the abdomen and grenade fragments in his back. At nearly the same moment, the aircraft pilot was mortally wounded, and his helicopter crashed. Although in extremely critical condition due to his multiple wounds, Sergeant Benavidez secured the classified documents and made his way back to the wreckage, where he aided the wounded out of the overturned aircraft, and gathered the stunned survivors into a defensive perimeter. Under increasing enemy automatic weapons and grenade fire, he moved around the perimeter distributing water and ammunition to his weary men, reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. Facing a buildup of enemy opposition with a beleaguered team, Sergeant Benavidez mustered his strength, began calling in tactical air strikes and directed the fire from supporting gunships to suppress the enemy's fire and so permit another extraction attempt. He was wounded again in his thigh by small arms fire while administering first aid to a wounded team member just before another extraction helicopter was able to land. His indomitable spirit kept him going as he began to ferry his comrades to the craft. On his second trip with the wounded, he was clubbed with additional wounds to his head and arms before killing his adversary. He then continued under devastating fire to carry the wounded to the helicopter. Upon reaching the aircraft, he spotted and killed two enemy soldiers who were rushing the craft from an angle that prevented the aircraft door gunner from firing upon them. With little strength remaining, he made one last trip to the perimeter to ensure that all classified material had been collected or destroyed, and to bring in the remaining wounded. Only then, in extremely serious condition from numerous wounds and loss of blood, did he allow himself to be pulled into the extraction aircraft. Sergeant Benavidez' gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men. His fearless personal leadership, tenacious devotion to duty, and extremely valorous actions in the face of overwhelming odds were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflect the utmost credit on him and the United States Army


What is the first rule of Survival?
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: JGreene on March 29, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
Use your head... or don't panic... or have a plan...
You need your head to make a plan, and the plan ain't worth crap if you panic.
Having a plan helps prevent panic... preparation helps develop your 'head' and therefore your plan...

The first rule of survival is  PREPARATION!!   
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on March 29, 2010, 05:39:55 PM
Use your head... or don't panic... or have a plan...
You need your head to make a plan, and the plan ain't worth crap if you panic.
Having a plan helps prevent panic... preparation helps develop your 'head' and therefore your plan...

The first rule of survival is  PREPARATION!!   

many survivors didn't have a lick of preperation.
Preperation is good, but not Rule 1

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: JGreene on March 29, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
many survivors didn't have a lick of preperation.
Preperation is good, but not Rule 1



True, many where just damn lucky... perhaps most 'survivors' were lucky.  I would think the answer is something one would DO (prepare), not necessarily NOT DO (don't panic).  Even if the preparation was being situationaly aware and,for example, knowing where the closest exit is.  Not necessarily having a firearm, a FAK, food, water or a 'go bag'.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: jaegersapper on March 29, 2010, 07:21:14 PM
Having the correct mind set.

I agree nc, the way I look at it is to be willing to do things you never thought you would do.

Everything said so far are good rules to live by, but it doesn't matter what kind of guns, training,
preps, etc that you have. If you cant get into the mind set that things have changed, possibly for ever,
you will fail.  Survival is not a good thing to fail at.

Just my 2 cents.  YMMV

P.S. - GO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: LdMorgan on March 29, 2010, 08:36:18 PM
For me, the first rule of survival is "Never Give Up!"

Everything else is just circumstances. You can have knowledge or lack it, have gear or have it not, be lucky or not be.

Some survival situations are not survivable.

Some survival situations are not survivable unless you just flatly refuse to lay down & die.

They did tests with rats in large containers of water.  If there was no possibility of escape, the rats would give up and drown in a fairly short time.

If there was a ledge that led to safety just out of reach of the rats, the rats would keep trying to reach the ledge, and would stay afloat FAR longer than their hopeless brethren.

Never Give Up!
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on March 30, 2010, 09:28:13 AM
There have been many opinions regarding the First Rule of Survival, all of them important elements of the survival concept.  However, there can be only one “First” rule. This forum is all about preparation and information, and I think that says it all.  That is why we are all here, gathering the information that will increase our chances of survival, and preparing for the possibility of an event that will test that knowledge.  IMO that is the key, preparing now and not waiting until it is too late.

We cannot foresee what will happen.  We cannot be certain what our attitude will be when actually put to the test.  We cannot predict how strong our will to survive will be when the time comes.  But, we CAN do those things now which will increase the likelihood that we will have a good attitude and strong will to survive if TSHTF.  Preparation increases confidence, confidence improves attitude, and attitude determines relative success.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: donaldj on March 30, 2010, 10:47:59 AM
There is no "first rule", or there are many "first rules". Either way, I doubt the endeavor can be prioritized effectively since it is so multifaceted.

I also doubt that one person's well thought out list of rules applies to another, so to say there IS a first rule is oversimplification.

If I were to rephrase the question "What is the most important qualities of the survival mindset", it might be more accurate.

To answer that, I would say a fluid mind.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on March 30, 2010, 10:57:18 AM

To answer that, I would say a fluid mind.

Does that mean I need to drink more alcohol?  LOL

Sorry couldn't help myself. :)

I still think this post sums it up.


Survival is not a situation.  Its a mental state.  You can't prepare for every contingency, but you can prepare to deal with any contingency.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Orionblade on March 30, 2010, 11:07:51 AM
How about eat a hardy breakfast?

if SHTF on the way to work, you just missed out on lunch AND dinner - those extra few flapjacks and strips of bacon just might hold you through the rest of the day without feeling like crap! And everyone knows you need protien to sustain yourself while mowing through hordes of zombies.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on March 30, 2010, 12:29:40 PM
The first rule of survial is to be a survivor.
This is a synthisis of 3 things; body, mind, spirit/heart (listed with the first thing being the least important, the last, being most important, prolly along the lines of 1,10,100 if I were to place a value on them)

Preps and tools (body) don't do you any good if you don't know what to do with them.
Skill/training is of no avail if you haven't the heart to employ what you know.
Heart is what will pull you through.


Are you familiar with Roy Benavidez?

"...reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. "
 "His indomitable spirit kept him going..."
"...and his refusal to be stopped..."


Roy Benavidez was armed.
And he was well trained (spec ops)
Is that waht got him though his survival situation?

Spirit is the most important aspect of survival. The problem is that it is the hardest one to define. the hardest to quantify. the hardest to train. I'm not entirely sure it IS trainable...
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on March 30, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
There is no "first rule", or there are many "first rules". Either way, I doubt the endeavor can be prioritized effectively since it is so multifaceted.
In your opinion.  If preparation and information were not the highest priority, what are we all doing here on this forum?

If I were to rephrase the question "What is the most important qualities of the survival mindset", it might be more accurate.

To answer that, I would say a fluid mind.
There is no "most important qualities", or there are many "most important qualities".   8)
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on March 30, 2010, 08:58:45 PM
Spirit is the most important aspect of survival. The problem is that it is the hardest one to define. the hardest to quantify. the hardest to train. I'm not entirely sure it IS trainable...
Perhaps what you call “spirit” is what I referred to as “attitude”.  Attitude can be dramatically altered by knowledge and preparation.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Uncle Bob (he ain’t right) on March 31, 2010, 08:14:51 AM
Maintain a high level of situational awareness.

Without it, even a well armed man is a easy target.

Just my opinion
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: donaldj on March 31, 2010, 10:41:21 AM
In your opinion.  If preparation and information were not the highest priority, what are we all doing here on this forum?
There is no "most important qualities", or there are many "most important qualities".   8)


Of course it's my opinion, I wrote it. And I stand by it. There is no First Rule of Survival, I think there are many "equally first rules".

As for "preparation and information being the highest priority, or what am I doing on this forum"....    If you think these are the highest priority, you should go buy a bunch of books and storage food (and other stuff), and be done. Please understand, this forum is not just about preparedness or survival, it is about self sufficiency and sustainability as well. Even in my short time on this forum I've seen many hard-ass survival junkies come in, lay down their thing on how bad they are, then leave; because we are not just a survivalist forum.  I'd suggest reading quite a bit more posts here, getting the lay of the land, and really learning what we're about.

As for "There is no "most important qualities", or there are many "most important qualities"., I meant just what I said. I don't think the act of survival or preparedness can be effectively prioritized with a clear #1 priority. Is it to have enough ammo to guard your food? Is it to have enough food in the first place? The practice of survivalism and preparedness cannot have a top priority because it is too encompassing. However, the mindset that brings you there can.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on March 31, 2010, 11:29:21 AM
Perhaps what you call “spirit” is what I referred to as “attitude”.  Attitude can be dramatically altered by knowledge and preparation.


I think we're tracking...
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Alpha Mike on April 01, 2010, 05:39:32 PM
+1 a plan.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: P_Coltrane on April 01, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
I didn't even know there was a rule book.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on April 02, 2010, 09:57:02 AM
Of course it's my opinion, I wrote it. And I stand by it. There is no First Rule of Survival, I think there are many "equally first rules".
You somehow manage to make your opinion sound a lot like an immutable law.  (IMO)   ???

As for "preparation and information being the highest priority, or what am I doing on this forum"....    If you think these are the highest priority, you should go buy a bunch of books and storage food (and other stuff), and be done. Please understand, this forum is not just about preparedness or survival, it is about self sufficiency and sustainability as well. Even in my short time on this forum I've seen many hard-ass survival junkies come in, lay down their thing on how bad they are, then leave; because we are not just a survivalist forum.  I'd suggest reading quite a bit more posts here, getting the lay of the land, and really learning what we're about.
Your condescending attitude aside………….  ;)

“First” usually insinuates………well……….first.  (as opposed to, say, highest priority for a given situation) Those who don’t first prepare are probably not going to survive for long.  And of course, since none of us are currently in disaster survival mode (since there is no catastrophic disaster) we are doing what comes before (first) the event of survival (second).

As for "There is no "most important qualities", or there are many "most important qualities"., I meant just what I said. I don't think the act of survival or preparedness can be effectively prioritized with a clear #1 priority. Is it to have enough ammo to guard your food? Is it to have enough food in the first place? The practice of survivalism and preparedness cannot have a top priority because it is too encompassing. However, the mindset that brings you there can.
Everything you mentioned, and other facets as well, all have one thing in common.  They are require information and they all require preparation.  Since we cannot know the exact nature or magnitude of the next disaster, event specific preparations are not practical.  Therefore, we prepare in a more general manner, to cover all probabilities.

Also, “mindset” or “attitude” are going to be greatly influenced by the amount and relevance of information we obtain, and by the level of our preparedness.  Preparedness includes physical, mental, stores, and equipment preparedness.  A MacGyver attitude will be of no use without MacGyver information.   A Rambo attitude will be of little use without a Rambo physique.  An ant attitude will be of little use without ant stockpiles.  And the best intentions on Earth are useless without relevant knowledge (information) and proper (knowledgeable) preparations.

The gathering of information and preparation come before, and are the foundation for, everything else that follows.

IMHO   ;D
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: shadowalker_returns on April 02, 2010, 06:15:13 PM
The first rule for surviving any situation is "Don't Panic!".  IOW, keep your head.

I Agree. The First Rule is "Don't Panic".

When we use the word "Survival" in this context what we are really saying is what's the first rule when something extraordinary (outside the normal bounds)  occurs in your life. The our first reaction to this extraordinary event is hardwired into our systems. The whole purpose of our training and preps is to allow us a greater and more effective range of response to such events. None of our training or preps matter if we fail to properly engage our primary asset, our mind. Panic shuts down the mind and allows the more primitive brain to control our actions. This leads to error and mistakes that we may later be unable to recover from. The first rule of survival is not "to survive". The goal is "to survive". The first rule to achieve that goal is "Don't Panic". It applies to all aspects of our goal. When we first see the need to prep and truly encompass what it means and what we need to accomplish it many of us unknowingly panic. Then we either shutdown (for fear of the size of the task) or rush head long into it (making mistakes all along the way ;D). The first rule is Don't Panic.
The second rule is "take stock of your current situation" see what is around you. Determine what are your circumstances and what resources are available to you. The third rule is "Plan". Now you know what's available to you. Plan how you may use these thing to further you primary goal ("To Survive"). The fourth rule is "Act". The best plan in the world is worthless without implementation. We must act to achieve our goal of Survival. It all begins with "Don't Panic".

Regards All,
Shadowalker
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on April 02, 2010, 09:50:40 PM
When we use the word "Survival" in this context what we are really saying is what's the first rule when something extraordinary (outside the normal bounds)  occurs in your life.
That is certainly one interpretation.  Remember our motto:  Helping you to live a better life – If times get tough – Or even if they don’t.

The our first reaction to this extraordinary event is hardwired into our systems. The whole purpose of our training and preps is to allow us a greater and more effective range of response to such events. None of our training or preps matter if we fail to properly engage our primary asset, our mind. Panic shuts down the mind and allows the more primitive brain to control our actions. This leads to error and mistakes that we may later be unable to recover from.
That is the purpose of training.  Training and knowledge instill confidence.  It is that confidence which prevents panic or inaction.  Most people cannot simply “not panic” by deciding to not panic.  But, training until the knowledge and skills become second nature will prevent the onset of panic in the first place.  That was one thing that was stressed in our EMT training.  Since we would be dealing with critical situations which might mean life or death, we had to learn all the knowledge and practice all the skills so that we would react calmly, coolly, and confidently.  It is the training and knowledge which prepare us for, and allow us, to “not panic”.

The second rule is "take stock of your current situation" see what is around you. Determine what are your circumstances and what resources are available to you.
Ok, that is a good rule.  It is also one which we use when preparing.

The third rule is "Plan". Now you know what's available to you. Plan how you may use these thing to further you primary goal ("To Survive").
I strongly disagree.  The time to plan is long before you find yourself in a survival situation.  As practical as possible, every probable situation should be preplanned.  The worst time to try to decide what to do is in the middle of an emergency.  If you don’t already know what to do, you will probably make mistakes.

Here is an illustration.  This really happened.  One day I stopped my motorcycle at a stop sign on an exit ramp in Houston.  In my mirrors, I saw a car coming up behind me way too fast.  Not having ever thought of that possibility, I sat there as the car screeched to a halt only inches from the back of the motorcycle.  I decided that the next time something like that happened I would head for the ditch.  About 4 years later, I was in my Chrysler Sebring on a two lane road, stopped behind rush hour traffic.  I saw a dump truck coming up behind me way too fast.  I immediately turned the wheel, hit the accelerator, and drove off into the ditch.  With tires sliding all the way, the dump truck finally stopped right where my car had been.  I was able to act so quickly only because I had preplanned the action.  The middle of an emergency is not the time to try to figure out what to do.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on April 03, 2010, 08:01:25 AM
What is a Survivor without his preps?
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: P_Coltrane on April 03, 2010, 08:19:23 AM
What is a Survivor without his preps?

Is this a riddle? ???

Is the answer alive and empty handed? ;D
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on April 03, 2010, 08:21:20 AM
No riddle grasshopper, serious question.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on April 03, 2010, 10:27:24 AM
Another interesting questions Zen, I say return to Base 0, Preparation isn't necessarily "Stuff".  Preparation starts mentally with learning, training and mental awareness of your surroundings and an attitude that is prepared for whatever comes.  You can survive without "Stuff" but you can quickly die (or fail to survive  ;)) surrounded by stuff if your not properly prepareed mentally.

I always go back to Base 0, if you start there, everything is a plus.  Stuff is a Plus, food is a Plus, the items your surrounded by (whether they are planned or just happenstance) are a plus.

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on April 03, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
The question is asked "What is the first rule of Swordfighting?"
And "What is a Swordfighter, without his sword?"

I mentioned Musashi killing an oponent in a duel, using a 'sword' that he carved out of an oar on his way to the duel.

The point of this discusion is this; People tend to get wrapped up in Things. We look to hardware solutions to software problems. Stuff is the least important part of the equation, but what we focus on most.

Because it is the easiest. It takes the least effort, the least spirit.

Training is more important than the 'Sword'. The sword is of little use if you don't know how to wield it. When was the last time anyone here practiced dealing with S hitting the fan? One forum member recently posted about turning off the power for a week. A good start. How many of us have done similar?

And Training/Practice isn't as important as Heart/Spirit/Attitude. Some mentioned having a limb trapped. How many would have the H/S/A to amputate your own limb, with a jack knife, without anastesia? You have the equipment, the knife, and lets say you have the knowledge, your a surgeon. Those two things don't matter if you don't have what it takes to make the cut.


Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on April 03, 2010, 12:06:24 PM
It is also said that when masters the sword, he can give it up. He no longer needs it. (see Musashi's last duel)

There are a handful of people in my knowledge that could be stripped naked and sent into the wilderness, and they would survive. They have become masters and can give up the 'sword'.



Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Mental Avenger on April 03, 2010, 12:35:49 PM
Zen,
Excellent posts.  +1   ;D
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on April 03, 2010, 01:20:19 PM

There are a handful of people in my knowledge that could be stripped naked and sent into the wilderness, and they would survive. They have become masters and can give up the 'sword'.


And that my friends is what I call Base 0. 
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: kiteflyer on April 03, 2010, 05:15:05 PM


Barefoot an naked is what I call it.Banished from The Garden 0f Eden? The tree of knowledge is all you got.Damn, Eve pulled the wrong fruit,the tree of life is what she should have been eating! ;D

               kiteflyer

And that my friends is what I call Base 0. 
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: pugbellies on April 03, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
Obstinance.

stubborness, mule-headed, single-minded determination... my favorite... chutzpah.   
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: JGreene on April 03, 2010, 07:14:40 PM
It is also said that when masters the sword, he can give it up. He no longer needs it. (see Musashi's last duel)

There are a handful of people in my knowledge that could be stripped naked and sent into the wilderness, and they would survive. They have become masters and can give up the 'sword'.





But stripped naked and thrown into an urban environment brings a whole different set of problems.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: LdMorgan on April 06, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
I kind of think that "survival situations" usually occur because someone doesn't have the gear they need, the training they need, or the plan, or a combination of all three, plus they may have had a generous dollop of bad luck and/or plain stupidity added to the mix.

(And not necessarily their own.)

A blinding snowstorm is of no particular danger to the outdoorsman that has the right gear, knows how to use it, and has the right plan for that specific contingency.

It is only when one or more of those things is lacking that a situation becomes a matter of life or death.

So what will save you if you don't have the gear, don't have the training, and don't have a clue about what to do next?

Pure guts may get you through--unless you find yourself in a situation that is simply not survivable, in which case you'll die.

But if you are obstinate to the BONE--refuse to quit, refuse to lie down and die like a dog, Never Give Up! (And "Never Surrender!")...

...you may just survive.

You may walk that last hundred yards, flash the whole horizon that one last time, strike that one last spark, or set that one last deadfall--or whatever--and hit the jackpot.

If you quit before you die, you may die a hundred yards short of living. Or five. Or one.

In the end, I think what matters is that you never give up. No matter how hopeless things seem, no matter how much you hurt, no matter what.

You try until you die, or you try until you live.

Never Give Up!










Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: ZenGunFighter on April 06, 2010, 09:35:38 PM


You try until you die, or you try until you live.

Never Give Up!

sounds like spirit to me.











Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Orionblade on April 07, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
But stripped naked and thrown into an urban environment brings a whole different set of problems.

That all depends on how purdy y' are.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: MilSpecIA on April 07, 2010, 06:09:03 PM
In a SHTF scenario here's how I view the first rule of survival...

oddly enough I think the same goes for the DoD...

(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/MilSpecIA/Misc/IMG_0149.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: phuttan on April 08, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
The first rule of survial is to be a survivor.
This is a synthisis of 3 things; body, mind, spirit/heart (listed with the first thing being the least important, the last, being most important, prolly along the lines of 1,10,100 if I were to place a value on them)

Preps and tools (body) don't do you any good if you don't know what to do with them.
Skill/training is of no avail if you haven't the heart to employ what you know.
Heart is what will pull you through.


Are you familiar with Roy Benavidez?


You never know how you will react until you are in a situation. We can try to develop our bodies, minds, and spirits but that won't quarantee a particular response.

Most of us aren't likely to end up in his situation. I have been in situations when everybody throught I would die from my injuries and stayed calm and focused. I'm the one that had to direct my coworkers until a competent individual arrive on the seen. I still wouldn't assume I could repeat that response. We don't know until it happens.

Developing knowledge and skills for survival increases our odds of survival regardless.

I don't mean to take away from his heroism. I simply believe that without the knowledge and skill for survival, which he had, our odds of survival go down.

Pat
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: DIM TIM on April 08, 2010, 11:36:48 PM
The basic rules are; breath, shelter, eat, and drink.

But I think the most important rule of survival is determination.  Without the will to survive you have nothing.

I'm with Darkwinter on this one. Determination that you will survive, and that you will try no matter what happens. You can have all the gear, or none...all the knowledge or none...but the fact still remains, if you just GIVE UP, then you will not survive. You have to have the will to do so.

Back when I was a teenager, I joined the Boy Scouts, and learned a lot of great things about survival, but when I was about 17 or 18, I came across a book.......The Book of Survival, by Anthony Greenbank (a paperback copy, and then I later found a hardback copy of the same book), in it he has an opening quote, that I have found to be the words that best say it............." All the following advice presupposes that whoever faces catastrophe takes a deep breath and makes up his mind to have a really determined go at beating the odds ".    ;D

The original is no longer in print, but there is a new and revised addition, and there are some updated additions for our our 21st Century way of life in this one that are good, sound bits of information.  http://www.amazon.com/Book-Survival-Original-Staying-Revised/dp/1578260914#noop (http://www.amazon.com/Book-Survival-Original-Staying-Revised/dp/1578260914#noop)
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: btigtime on April 09, 2010, 05:25:47 AM
Adapt and overcome. Make plans but don't take them too seriously.  Knowledge, wisdom and principles be your guide.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Cryptozoic on July 10, 2010, 07:23:06 PM
First, prevent things from getting worse.
Example:  Car accident.  Step one, even before first aid or summoning help, is to prevent the accident from getting worse.
This also gives you a moment to think, while you are putting out your reflective triangles or whatever you do. 
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: gonnathrive on July 15, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
The will to survive.

Your preps affect what you CAN do, not what you WILL do.

In one hand, you have a pocket knife. In your other hand,  well, your other hand is actually being smashed by a boulder. You CAN cut your own arms off but WILL you?

Sledgehammer

I think the answer is "it depends" if I need to do it to save my life because more boulders are coming then probably, but if help is already on the way, probably not
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: JerseyVince on July 19, 2010, 07:55:56 PM
THINK TWICE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ONCE. AFTER THE SHTF BAD DECISIONS MADE NOW MAY NOT BE REALIZED LATER UNTILL IT'S TOO LATE
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: LadyRebekah67 on July 19, 2010, 08:40:50 PM
Evaluation and recognition of whether it really IS a SHTF scenario, or not, early enough to exercise the skill, knowledge and preps we've acquired.  Reasonably judging whether to bug in or out in time to avoid a worsening, perhaps lethal, situation.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: OLD DUDE on July 24, 2010, 07:30:26 AM
ADAPT
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Truik on July 24, 2010, 01:26:42 PM
ADAPT

+1

Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: PistolWhipped on July 24, 2010, 10:59:02 PM
"Don't Die."

This guy nailed it/

Sometimes the simplest answers are the most profound.  For example, "Don't Die."

Alright.  Well seeing as the point to survive is not to die, that covers it all.

Don't Die.

What if there is a food shortage? Make sure you have enough and can produce enough so that you don't die.

What if a guy is waving a gun in your face and demanding your wallet?  Don't die.  Do whatever you have to do to ensure that, just don't die.

What if you get stranded in a blinding blizzard while out on a mountain hike?  Don't die.  Keep warm, keep hydrated, keep as well fed as you can.  And don't die.  That symbolizes a certain determination to not let force of nature and circumstance dictate the outcome, but rather your force of will.  Take the blizzard example.  Yeah, I'm cold, I'm sleepy, I'm hungry, and if I lay down and go to sleep right now it'll all go away and I'll never have to be cold or hungry or tired ever again.  But I'm not going to do that.  You gotta be willing to take whatever life can throw at you so that you don't die.

Riots in the streets?  Don't die.  Shoot them if they are a threat to you, but don't die.

Lost your job and don't know how you'll make ends meet?  Don't die.  Scale back if you need to, take odd jobs, pay cuts, whatever.  But don't let it beat you.  People have killed themselves over this kinda stuff.  Don't let that be you.

Diagnosed with cancer?  Don't die.  Fight as hard as you can, and harder then you think you can.  Fight until if you die, it's because you killed yourself going after the cancer.  Fight as long as there is life in you.

Live until you die.  And fight to live as long as you live.  Don't die.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: Docwatmo on July 25, 2010, 09:50:47 AM
Well said PW, well said.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: LdMorgan on July 25, 2010, 03:05:08 PM
Perhaps the First Rule of Survival is the same as the Last: Reproduce.
Title: Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
Post by: soupbone on July 26, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
IMHO, based on experience (damnit), the First Rule of Survival is to realize that IT is happening to you NOW! In my case, it took a good beating before I fully realized that the 6'3" crackhead was really trying to kill me. Unfortunately, I made some mistakes. Fortunately, so did he, and his mistakes were worse than my mistakes.

Rule #2 is You WILL Survive. Ingrain this into your psyche and don't not never ever give up. (Archaic stacking of negatives for emphasis) The human body and mind are wonderful creations and will take more than you would ever imagine they are capable of.

Does anyone who has "seen the elephant" care to comment?