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Title: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Onug on April 19, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
And for my first real post...I did some searching, but didn't see anything that satisfies my question.

I have a typical split level two story house and I'm working on an idea for securing it in a bug-in situation.  Skip the property (for now), for starters I'm just focusing on the house and how to keep it secure and my family safe.

There are no points-of-entry on the sides of the house, so I only need to worry about the front and the back.  At the front, I have the front door (ground level obviously), garage doors (2) and windows (1st and 2nd floors).  Out back, there are windows (1st and 2nd floors), one steel "person" door (1st floor, off garage) and a glass sliding door (2nd floor off deck, with stairs to ground level).

The question...what is the best way to secure the house?

I have one concept and two ideas.  My concept...and I'm new to all of this, so my concept is from an FNG...is to secure the points-of-entry on the first floor and leave only one entry/exit at the front and one at the back.  So that narrows things down to two areas to defend and (hopefully) always one way to escape. 

Other info that might be handy
Any pointers, ideas, suggestions, lessons-learned, don't-do's...are appreciated.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: AZCeltic formerly occeltic on April 19, 2010, 10:52:50 PM
Wow Onug, you are way ahead of me for sure! I always told myself that I would choose one room in my house that would be made a safe room. Not only would I fortify the door by upgrading it from the current hollow core wood, I would also equip my room with food, a small frig, small coffee maker, etc., as well as items for defense.
I like your ideas, but to fortify the whole house would be quite the undertaking. Unless you install fortification on all the windows and doors ahead of time, how are going to find the time when you are facing possible threats?
It would be good to hear you elaborate on the possible threats you believe you may have to face in your situation, and what led you to come up with your ideas.

Good luck!

Occeltic
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: gigaJack on April 19, 2010, 11:54:12 PM
Here is an copy and past from our site "The Survival Summary" http://survivalsummary.wordpress.com (http://survivalsummary.wordpress.com). It outlines our setup for our house security.

      
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: HumeMan on April 20, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
3/4" plywood covering all windows and secondary doors is perfect.  This is something you should already have precut and ready to hang at a moments notice.

For the front door I would add some kind of drop bar.  Either made of metal or 2x4s.
(http://www.axonsecurity.co.nz/door_products/drop_bars_door_closers_slide_bolts/drop%20bar%202.jpg)

So far the weakest point on your house is that sliding glass door.  I would completely cover one side of the slider with plywood and 2x4s.  Possibly hanging another sheet of plywood on hinges, covering the other slider, acting as a door over your door.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: survivininct on April 20, 2010, 06:24:08 PM
It is so easy to break into a home that is conventionally made if you want to.  In short, do the usual stuff with locks and what not, but to secure a home against a SHTF scenario, will be tough.  Ultimately, a shotgun or three pointed out the upstairs windows will be the best security system you could get. 

I have thought about this for my home, but came to the conclusion that it will be impossible.   If you piss off the crooks, they will just burn you out!  Best to just keep it looking like all the other houses, with normal precautions, and be waiting with a shotgun as mentioned above.   Better yet, have your whole neighborhood waiting and ready to pounce if any individual gets attacked! 

I almost think a tight neighborhood like you have is better than a remote location where you are all on your own from an attack standpoint (assuming the neighbors watch out for each other). 

In the country, they may not even know you exist - but if they know you do, you may be the only (or one of only a few) targets.    In a suburb, your one of 10 thousand other homes in which they have to choose.  Chances are, they won't bother you unless they have a reason to.  Like you live in a high-end home or somehow show you have something they want. 

If things get lawless, and thugs are running rampant, it is not going to be easy to protect from this scenario without guards.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: JGreene on April 20, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Something was mentioned in another thread about using the decking from your 'deck' to reinforce your windows. 

I suppose the easiest way is to make your home look like a harder target than your neighbor's.  On the downside, it would appear that you may have some good stuff if you're all secured up like that.  For me, boarding up the windows isn't practical, there are too many.  Fitting iron bars across the back of the doors looks like crap, ain't gonna happen.   Perhaps a more practical solution for many of us is to create a safe zone within the home.  I'd call it a retreat zone, if the lights, alarms, locks, shotguns don't deter the bad guy, you have a safe zone to retreat to if needed.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: HumeMan on April 20, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
If you piss off the crooks, they will just burn you out!

Kinda hard to beat that.  I suppose you can harden your home, if only for the purpose of slowing them down while you make your escape.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Capt Cook on April 20, 2010, 08:02:10 PM
Here's a few ideas for you to think about.
If you live near the coast or hurricane areas, then install steel shutters. They won't stand out too much & give excellent security.
Another house improvement is working wooden window shutters with latches. They will look great, improve the value of your house & give adequate protection while giving you the option to still look & or shoot out the windows.

For the doors you have several options. The New York style apartment lock, a metal bar that sets into a metal notch in the floor & swings up underneath the doorknob. Gives good protection & can be stowed out of the way to store & it doesn't look like crap.
Barrel bolts can be installed top & bottom of your door to give extra protection. The key here is to use the longest/strongest screws you can. They can look pretty good if you get the color to match your door hardware.

An old trick was to blast the hinges on doors with a shotgun when there were extra locks on the door. You can stop this by drilling holes in the jamb & gluing dowel rods in place. Then drill angled holes in the door edge for the dowels to slip into. Sort of like a bank vault door.
My father did this for some Mafia friends he had  ;D

The sliding glass door is the real problem. Best thing you can do there is full sheets of plywood on the outside & inside.
Also, an old broom handle cut to length to fit in the track. This will give an added bit of protection & the broom handle fits in the track nice & is hard to see. In my line of work I have popped sliding doors up & out of their tracks so make sure they fit good & tight to keep this from happening.

Now here's another thing for you to do for your garage door.
Burglars will just push it in at the top in the center & pull on the disconnect cord & lift the door right up.
Drill a hole through the rail on each side & stick a screwdriver into the hole. Then when they lift up the door the guides will hit the screwdriver & keep it from going up. This came in handy for me when I had to leave my garage door open a few inches for the cats to get in.

That's all I can give you right now. I got to walk the dogs & water the garden now.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Darkwinter on April 20, 2010, 08:47:54 PM
These are all really hard core ideas.  I would think that if the situation was so dire that you needed to harden you home with plywood and steel reinforcement, you might want to consider bugging out.

There is a book called Patriots, and in it there is a section about hardening a home.  It was done in a way that would not give the appearance of a hardened home.  He talked about using steel shutters and thick steel doors.  It was an interesting read and something you might want to pick up to get some more ideas.

Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Onug on April 20, 2010, 08:49:41 PM
Great feedback...thanks everyone.  I should have mentioned I'm more interested in doing a "mild" securing of the house than a full fortify.  That would just be too hard given the layout and entry points.  I live in a very low crime area, so my concerns are more around "opportunistic" criminals than a larger, more organized gang.  Unfortunately, my neighbor seems to attract crime, so I've got to be careful.  Hopefully we'll have bugged out before anything too bad gets to where I live.  Either way, I'll likely be camping out on the roof with my gear.

I already have a security bar on the slider, but that is probably still the hardest point to secure.  So I think I'm leaning towards option 1 (in my original post) and then work on securing the stairs to the deck instead.  Heck, it would be easy to keep a ladder on the deck and just cut away the stairs in an emergency.  I didn't think about the garage door, I'll have to stare at that one and see what I can do.

keep the ideas coming...
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Son_of_the_Republic on April 21, 2010, 06:32:05 AM
If you have exterior sliding doors like me a good ol piece of timber,cut to lenght, wedged between door and frame on the inside works a dream.Bar smashing through the glass , this is one lock that can't be picked.

You may also need to escape the house in the event of fire etc so I would have one door/window readily accesible but easily defendable.A rope ladder might be a useful item to have.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: HumeMan on April 21, 2010, 03:36:50 PM
If you have exterior sliding doors like me a good ol piece of timber,cut to lenght, wedged between door and frame on the inside works a dream.Bar smashing through the glass , this is one lock that can't be picked.

Well actually..... ::)
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=13360.msg152218#msg152218 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=13360.msg152218#msg152218)
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: endurance on April 21, 2010, 04:13:52 PM
I'm with the levels of security that GigaJack suggests.  Impact resistant films on the glass, upgraded locks, a good security system, and a dog are realistic things you can do today that prevent random acts of burglary but you can live with day to day.

I'm just not a big SHTF guy after being a prepper since 1985 and watching nothing go wrong other than an occasional snowstorm that made me glad I didn't have to run to the grocery for milk.  I see the most likely scenarios being a depression-like economic downturn, in which burglary, home invasion, and robberies will be the most likely impact other than the risk of unemployment.  For that, Giga's sitting a lot more pretty than 99 out of 100 Americans right now, and he can go about his normal way of life without stopping to cut plywood.  Bonus, if a severe hail storm or tornado comes through, he's a lot safer than most folks, too.

Boarding up windows when a roving band of rioting jerks flipping cars and lighting fires isn't going to happen fast enough, nor offer adequate protection.  Beyond that, it's time to bug out anyway.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Son_of_the_Republic on April 21, 2010, 04:39:28 PM
Well actually..... ::)
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=13360.msg152218#msg152218 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=13360.msg152218#msg152218)


Tried that,my doors can only be lifted from the inside. :)
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Beetle on April 21, 2010, 06:45:07 PM
I'm with Darkwinter. You don't want it to backfire and attract attention. Check out these guys. http://www.mascottesecurity.com/index.html (http://www.mascottesecurity.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: LdMorgan on April 23, 2010, 10:00:23 AM
Wooden shutters can be unobtrusively duplicated in welded steel. Add heavy-duty hinges to support them. Unfortunately, unless you can weld them up yourself, they would probably be prohibitively expensive.

Fortifying a home isn't about making it entry-proof--that's an absolute impossibility.
 
It's really about deterring the undetermined and slowing the determined down just long enough for you to stick a 12 ga shotgun into a well-concealed gunport and relieve them of their intestines.

A safe room is a really baaaaaaad idea unless it has an emergency exit. If not, it's like a Roach Motel--you may check in, but you won't be checking out.

Once the building has been overrun, you'll have the choice of surrendering or fighting to the death. Or more likely just dying.

As soon as the house was well looted, somebody would come knocking on the "safe" room door with a very short message: Surrender or burn.

Really smart animals always have extra exits from their burrows.

The only exception to a safe room might be one that is so well hidden that intruders never suspect it's there. But even then, it should be 100% fireproof, and have a secret exit, as well.

Everybody needs to dig a quarter-mile of tunnel in their spare time, just in case.

The thing about slowing intruders down is that you have to sleep sometime. You'll want a few moments to kick off the bunny slippers and grab a cup of coffee before you start tossing hand grenades off the roof and/or blasting MZBs thru the gunports.

If I had a garage (which I don't) I'd make it my "sorta-safe" room.

I'd park my BOV (if I had one) in the garage, secure the roll-up door behind it, add a stack of sandbags, and steel-plate the doorway from the house into the garage.

If and when the homefront battle became a losing proposition, I'd load the family up in the BOV and drive it straight out the end wall of the garage--which would have a BOV-sized portion lacking studs and interior sheathing.

A few sheets of T-111 would be no impediment, especially if they were held in place by the least practical number of nails and a little silicone sealer.

If I ever win the lottery, I am gonna be one well-prepared prepper, yah fer shure you bet!







Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: RacinRob on April 23, 2010, 12:02:45 PM
Black pipe, Tee's, fender washers, lag bolts.  It is on the someday list.  Put a tee on each end of the pipe, then lag bolt it to the 2x4s on either side.  You could also put it behind ply wood to reinforce it.  I have smallish windows so 4 would do it per window.  I have a cordless impact so they would be quick to put up.  If I took the trim off I could do it without destroying the house too.  It is a slow down idea, yes they could be defeated quickly with a truck and tow strap, but that would probably get my attention.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: archer on April 23, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
My brother built a concrete dome in a dessert area. He has windows but is having steel plates made that fit over the windows and protect them in case of theft/fire. I figure that setup would almost be a castle.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Capt Cook on April 23, 2010, 05:55:12 PM

It's really about deterring the undetermined and slowing the determined down just long enough for you to stick a 12 ga shotgun into a well-concealed gunport and relieve them of their intestines.

A safe room is a really baaaaaaad idea unless it has an emergency exit. If not, it's like a Roach Motel--you may check in, but you won't be checking out.
You got this one right! If I want to get into a place I'm going to find a way.
The whole idea is to "deter" the intruders & make them want to find an easier mark.
A good defense is only as good as your offensive capabilities.
Think about your defenses. Which way will they most likely come in. Then have a plan on how to attack.
You can always make one area look like the easy way in. That's the trap & when they take the bait you hit em in the head with the cheese :excited:
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: OKGranny on April 23, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
Dogs work well. I have a friend that lives on a large lake in NW Arkansas and the other night she had her bedroom window open. She heard voices and looked out, there were 3 men in a boat and evidently they forgot how well sound carries over water. She saw them start to swing in towards her dock then clearly heard one of them say "Not there! That's the house with the dogs". She has 2 beautiful German Shepherd's. They hit 3 places down from her, stole everything that was remotely portable.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: phargolf on June 13, 2010, 08:54:01 PM
I like that! woof and your butt is mine! ;D
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: radtke on July 10, 2010, 11:52:58 PM
vice grip c clamps next to the rollers on the track of the garage door .quick and easy to get off when you need to
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Asclepius on July 10, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
Don Paul says to bend metal conduit to shoot people outside with birdshot by proxy. Take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: MCopes on July 11, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
Don Paul says to bend metal conduit to shoot people outside with birdshot by proxy. Take it for what it's worth.

Got any links to this?

Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: devildoc on July 11, 2010, 09:24:49 PM
I still want a hand pumped pressurized gasoline sprinkler system far enough from the house of course. But tanerite waterproof bags mixed with nails in the bottom of larger flower pots would make good claymores.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Asclepius on July 16, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
Got any links to this?



No links. Don Paul writes odd little books that sell at army surplus stores. They're not bad.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: PAGUY on September 11, 2010, 05:49:23 AM
You have many great ideas listed.  The key is to use those ideas if the SHTF.  Many people have issues with their homes on a normal day to day basis because they do not lock their doors, close their garage doors, or leave a hidden key under the flower pot.  These are the things that make it easy for someone to break in.  Your plan will work well you just have to put it into effect to make it work. 
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: kr66p6r13 on September 12, 2010, 02:01:03 AM
 these are some of the steps I've taken

 planted rose bushes under windows
 precut & drilled plywood to put up on inside over windows. gathered deck screws needed 
 2 rolls of black plastic sheeting for between windows & plywood
 reinforced all doors
 set up basement to use as living quarters (in case theres bullets flying around outside)
 devised method of redirecting gutters to all flow into designated collection areas inside 2ND floor
 windows (already measured, cut & practice ran) application of this takes very Little time
 built a few covert stash areas
 trimmed trees near specific widows to maximize view of perimeter
 focused on making outside look less like a target than all my neighbors houses do
 brain stormed a few medieval/modern methods of home defense
 planned 3 different ways to evac if needed
 keep a few extra fire ex tingushers & wasp sprays on hand
 most important of all, I kept all my plans & prepping to myself, no neighbors or acquaintances     
 know my business
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: soupbone on September 12, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
Onug,

Back in Reply #9, you said," I should have mentioned I'm more interested in doing a "mild" securing of the house than a full fortify.  .......I live in a very low crime area, so my concerns are more around "opportunistic" criminals than a larger, more organized gang." Many of the suggestions here are for really hardening the structure. They are good, but overkill for the circumstances that you have described.

You also said that your neighbor seems to "attract crime". What do you mean by this - are they engaged in criminal activity? Do they throw wild parties? Are you living next door to a crack house? Or have they set themselves up as victims (flash their stuff, forget to close windows, leave doors unlocked, etc.)?

For a "mild securing", I would suggest concentrating on reinforcing doors and windows - installing deadbolt high security locks and security hinges. I would install steel or solid wood doors, with small or no windows (use peepholes). If your windows are double hung, you can secure them by drilling into the frame in the track and installing a piece of dowel so the window can only be opened a couple of inches. Do not glue or jam the dowels in, as you may need to open the windows fully in event of an emergency.

Security film is a good idea, but it is expensive, and to work right, must be attached to the frame. I have seen 4 mil  thickness mentioned in various threads, but 7 - 10 mil thickness is what my manuals say.

Eliminate hiding places - vegetation - by windows and doors, but plant roses, blackberries, etc., as a discrete way of saying "keep away" along your property line. Keep your security very low key as you do not want to set yourself up as a challenge to your neighbors or their friends. And get a dog.

Good luck. 

soupbone
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: LdMorgan on September 12, 2010, 11:19:49 PM
In medieval times, castles were often under siege for months on end. In all of the history I've read, the defenders were always defensive, except for the occasional sally out to light up a few tents or slaughter a few workers that didn't have adequate protection.

Here's a gag that castle defenders never seem to have thought of.

As soon as the siege started, or news arrived that one would, they should have torn down a few stone buildings and used the stone to build two walls in the courtyard.

The walls would have been about 12 feet high, thirty feet long, and four feet thick, extending inward from the sides of the front gate in a VEE shape that closed to juuuuuust wide enough for one man to pass through. Sideways. Barely. If he was real skinny.

Then the next (or first) time the enemy charged, they should have opened up the front gate, raised the portcullis, dropped the drawbridge, and sent five guys out who were under orders to take one look at the attackers, throw down their swords, and run screaming back into the castle.

Leaving the gate open behind them.

(Oh Gosh, Martha! Deserters have breached the defenses!)

Those "terrified" guys would then run right up some handy ladders, exit the veetrap, and haul the ladders up behind them.

(Oh, shucks! No ladders for Bad Guys!)

Sensing a swift and decisive victory, the enemy troops would have swarmed in and gotten jammed up in the veetrap worse than a Bloomingdale's elevator on a Super Sale Saturday.

Hundreds would probably have suffocated within minutes. The defenders on the ramparts would have finished off the rest. And those who got stopped just outside the gate, right under the Boiling Oil Disposal Ports.

The first nine guys in would have seen the one-man exit, and raced each other to be the first man through--to survive!

They would have had to to settle for a six-way tie.

Everybody else would have played Follow the Leader until it was much too late to turn back. Until it was impossible to turn back.

When the veetrap was packed full, no amount of battering or burning would get past the 30-foot plug of dead bodies. Even if they'd brought up a battering ram it would have been useless.

And, anyway, the porticullus would have dropped as soon as the veetrap was full.  There would have been no escape for the few still alive.

After a while (and huge losses) the enemy would have had to pull back. And probably abandon the siege entirely.

The defenders would have then cleared out a few score bodies at their leisure, and closed the gates for the remainder of the evening.

Note that not only would they have decimated their attackers, they'd have acquired a lot of bodies to repatriate with their catapults.

That's always good for morale.

Now, fast-forward about a thousand years...give or take.

In a really hard-core SHTF situation, if an eventual mass assault was a given, basic veetraps could be constructed at the front and back doors of a residence or a refuge building. (And/or sliding glass doors, if any.)

Eventually, a group of attackers would make their move: they'd kick in a door, charge in, and be stopped dead a couple of 3/4" plywood wild-walls, braced by 2X4's, and decorated with waist-high ports cut in them for convenient lead injection. 

Six sheets per entry would probably be plenty. Painted black on the inside for night ops, of course.

In a pinch, you could cobble your veetraps together out of whatever was handy. Beds, furniture, refrigerators, bookcases. Even fence wire.

Afterwards the well-rested defenders would have lots of fresh ammo, many new items for the armory, a lot of good-for-barter garb to wash the blood out of, and maybe even a little fresh food, if times were REALLY tough!

Just a thought, y'all!
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: LJH on September 12, 2010, 11:39:49 PM
Oh gawd, I just hurt myself.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Ditch on September 16, 2010, 06:08:22 AM
Just watched DEATH WISH III last night, starring Charles Bronson.  Now he made some seriously hurtful devices that stops intrusion through a door or window.  One for example was a sheet of plywood with long nails driven throughout the whole board.  It was placed on the floor under a window with the nails pointing up, sort of a bungee effect.  The show scored some points on home defense against gang trouble.  Another device was a piece of wood at the door with a long pointed object (not sure what it was - knife maybe - no TIVO here).  When the intruder broke in the piece of wood came up and the sharp object penetrated the guys head.  Sort of like someone stepping on the wrong end of a garden rake and the pole comes back to hit them in the face. 
I guess we could all learn some things from the Road Runner cartoons too.  :)
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: PAGUY on September 16, 2010, 06:51:14 AM
The majority of these things that you have just talked about if used on a day to day basis or for that matter at all would put you in jail.  I watched the movie as well and yes it was entertaining but, be careful what you do because you could just end up in deep.  Most of what has been mentioned on here has been simple day to say things that will protect your home and keep you out of legal trouble. 
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Ditch on September 16, 2010, 07:43:09 AM
I was thinking though in a situation that warrants all defensive measures, we could utilize extensive precautions.  I would not recommend that these types of items be left set up 24/7 because you are right about the legal ramifications after the fact, but in a siege, it may become necessary.

I guess I was thinking along the lines of an unexpected intrusion, like at home, they sometimes occur in schools or businesses when a deranged nut goes off with a gun.  Some extra reinforcement may be a good thing.  Just having something ready to put into place may save our life.

I definitely agree with items that we need in place all the time though.  Those are what will stop most problems before they get started.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: archer on September 16, 2010, 10:20:33 AM
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Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: archer on September 16, 2010, 10:31:34 AM
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Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: endurance on September 16, 2010, 01:47:21 PM
There's always a financial reality, a living with the solution day to day reality, and a the cure is worse than the disease reality to be balanced.  If you build enough of a fortress, you're trapped and unless your home is nothing but concrete, inside and out, one careless candle can kill you.  The same theory as tracers work both ways, many security solutions work both ways.  Steel shutters and/or bars on windows both protect belongings and kill people in much of the third world.  Single points of egress add security unless there's a fire by the one way in/one way out.  Jack even gets under my skin when he says how valuable it is to have one road into his property in Arkansas for access control.  That's fine until there's a wildland fire coming from that direction and you have no other way to escape.  Which is more likely, zombie hordes that you have to stop or a fire inside or outside the home?  How come two is one, one is none with everything except points of access/egress?
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: soupbone on September 17, 2010, 05:32:00 AM
Where do you draw the line between fantasy and reality? The reality is that come what may, most of us will never be in a SHTF situation like the L.A. riots. Most of us do not live in L.A. or places where those events are likely. If TEOTWAWKI comes, it will come "not with a bang but a whimper."

Yes, we should secure our homes. But we can do this cost-effectively. Heavy duty doors and frames, ballistic film over the windows, high security locks, landscaping, fencing, etc. You end up with a secure house that is camouflaged to look like any other house in the area.

Then take the rest of the money that you saved by NOT turning your house into the gold depository at Ft. Knox, and buy stuff with it - a wood stove with a water heater, a backup hand pump for your well, water filtration systems - stuff that in the unlikely event of TEOetc. you can actually use.

Last night, we had a severe windstorms in areas all around us. There was a possible tornado in New York City. Back in 1954, a tornado went through Cleveland, leveling several blocks. This is the kind of stuff we should be worried about, not mutant zombie bikini biker bimbos launching a battalion sized brouhaha against our bucolic bug out location.

It's not just you, Ditch, I've seen several threads along the same line. Its as if Step 1 of securing anything has been overlooked: Determining the ACTUAL PROBABLE THREAT. Sure, mutant zombies are possible, but then so is having your house being the centerpoint of a CEP circle for a nuclear strike.

Times are tough, and they're going to get tougher. We are going to have less and less expendable income for preps, so we have to be cautious and selective on what we spend money for. Landmines and lawsuits are not the way to spend money.

soupbone
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: mxitman on September 17, 2010, 04:39:50 PM
I  have done a few things for my house just based on friends places getting burglarized and for earthquake preparedness as we have the threat of a big one here in Seattle. My house has way too many windows, but luckily for me I only have 4 different sizes. I did this about 4 years ago, well before TSP...

I bought 8 sheets of 1/2" plywood and precut 5 of them for making covers for my windows, I drilled holes along the edge for securing to my house, with nails or screws. I left 3 of the sheets for extra and I have a Dewalt cordless circular saw, which I highly recommend to everyone to have along with other cordless items.

I keep all these items in my detached garage, along with enough nails, screws and other stuff to build a whole house. I also keep a few rolls of plastic sheeting available, along with roofing tar.

I had a basic wooden door that went into my basement, when I got a new steel door I kicked in the old one... it took literally no effort to break it even a 10 year old could it. I picked up a commercial security door, with steel frame for around $400... expensive but well worth it. My basement is concrete walls, so I secured the frame with 3/8 lag bolts all through out the frame. I've tried kicking on it to just see how it would hold up, it's solid!

I like to keep everything aesthetically pleasing as possible, so it doesn't stand out... But adding a dog recently was a happy edition to the family and security measures.

BTW, if I had a garage attached to my house I would put a high security door in my house that goes into the garage... it's very easy to get into garages and then through the flimsy or not locked door to the house.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Dawgus on September 17, 2010, 05:31:35 PM
 When I worked at the gun shop, we had these on the doors and windows. A local company installs them on both retail and residential building/homes. They're expensive, but well worth it in a bad situation.

http://www.stormshutters.com/rolling-shutters/security_rs.html (http://www.stormshutters.com/rolling-shutters/security_rs.html)
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: daved on September 26, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
On my walks through the neighborhood, I've been thinking about security a lot. I've been trying to look at neighbors' homes and see how mine stands out as a target in comparison. I've noticed quite a lot of security measures people have taken as well as things that make them targets. I've really come to believe that the best security you can have is to make your home into the one that the bad guy just passes by on the way to the better or easier target. While it might be a fun exercise to think about installing landmines / traps / whatever, it isn't realistic.
For most houses no matter what you do to fortify it against attack you are going to be vulnerable to fire. That being said, I think it makes more sense to protect yourself from intruders than it does to try to stop an invading army.
So - back to what I've noticed on my walks. I guess a list of good security measures vs. a list of bad things will work.
(In no particular order)
Good:
Dogs
Security systems
Deadbolts
Intelligent landscaping (no bushes to hide in etc)
Good exterior lighting

Bad:
Doors and windows left open
Garages left open (with things of value in plain view - tools, sporting equipment)
Houses that look like no one is around (uncut grass, no lights on, mail or newspapers piled up)
I just saw this one yesterday - a snowmobile on a trailer with no lock or anything - they might as well have put a sign that said "take me" on it.

Something else I noticed that may be an issue if the SHTF - it is somewhat obvious that some people have some preps. I don't know this for sure as these people aren't really close neighbors - just houses I've walked past, but I think I can pick out who is at least something of a prepper just by what their house looks like. It would probably be a good idea not to advertise that you have a bunch of preps if you can help it. Here's what I've seen that says prepper to me: big woodpiles, rain barrels, gardens, older 4 wheel drive vehicles, etc. Obviously you can have this stuff and not be a prepper, but it is at least an indication.

To sum all that up, here's what I would recommend for securing your house:
1) Keep it nondescript - don't advertise your good stuff.
2) Follow good procedures regarding keeping things closed and locked.
3) Dogs and alarms can't hurt, but don't rely solely on them.
4) Get some good locks and use them.
5) Keep things well lit at night

I've had my car broken into a few times and it was always because I forgot about number 1. I had a stereo (when I was younger) or tools (more recently) that were in plain view. If those things weren't visible I firmly believe I would have been left alone. The same thing applies to your house pre or post SHTF.
You should blend in to the other houses around you in terms of what you have, but stand out from them in terms of how difficult it would be to get inside. No one wants to go through a bunch of trouble for no reward.

Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: endurance on September 27, 2010, 08:37:43 AM

To sum all that up, here's what I would recommend for securing your house:
1) Keep it nondescript - don't advertise your good stuff.
2) Follow good procedures regarding keeping things closed and locked.
3) Dogs and alarms can't hurt, but don't rely solely on them.
4) Get some good locks and use them.
5) Keep things well lit at night
Some excellent points.  After watching several episodes of It Takes A Thief on Discovery, it became clear that internal security was another layer of protection people miss out on.  Good safes and locking filing cabinets that are bolted down and locked are valuable tools to protect your most prized possessions.  I have two, one main gun safe and a smaller one for jewelry and handguns when we're not around the house.  I still need to get a locking fire-resistant filing cabinet to allow me both easy access and secure storage of important documents.  While they still might take the DVD player and TV, they're not getting the good stuff without having their work cut out for them.  The goal is delay, delay, delay while the dogs are barking, the alarm is wailing and the neighbors are peeping out their windows dialing 911.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: Ditch on September 27, 2010, 05:15:33 PM

Last night, we had a severe windstorms in areas all around us. There was a possible tornado in New York City. Back in 1954, a tornado went through Cleveland, leveling several blocks. This is the kind of stuff we should be worried about, not mutant zombie bikini biker bimbos launching a battalion sized brouhaha against our bucolic bug out location.

It's not just you, Ditch, I've seen several threads along the same line. Its as if Step 1 of securing anything has been overlooked: Determining the ACTUAL PROBABLE THREAT. Sure, mutant zombies are possible, but then so is having your house being the centerpoint of a CEP circle for a nuclear strike.

Times are tough, and they're going to get tougher. We are going to have less and less expendable income for preps, so we have to be cautious and selective on what we spend money for. Landmines and lawsuits are not the way to spend money.

soupbone

Rationalizing our future, none of us can really determine what each home needs to be completely defensive without going overboard.  I too realize the fact that I can build the best bunker, but will at some point have to step out.  My current home can be taken with a butter knife through the siding.  Its scary because signs of the MS13 gangs are becoming more and more prominent, and I live in God's country.  Defending the common foe may be easier.  We too had wicked storms recently, and we are totally prepped for this type of problem.  Its the other issues, such as a recent threat to my person that made me post my land with No Trespassing signs on the borders.  Times they are a changing and so is my age.  Women are especially easier to victimize, so I feel it more necessary to prepare my home and future on a simple income.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: DDJ on December 16, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
I read somewhere, and have not read all of the replies so I hope I am not reposting a responses, a suggestion to put some tarps on the roof board up the windows and apply some black spray paint to the outside of the house when boarding it up.  This makes the house look there was a fire.  Nothing good left after a fire right.  You could also spray paint the door and lower walls with "labels" making it look like the house is pre stripped.  Things like "thanks for taking the copper". 

If you do these things you would need to blackout any unsealed windows and enter and leave form the back a quietly as possible.  The chimney throwing smoke, heat or hot water would be a sign of the ruse as well.
Title: Re: Ideas for securing the house in a bug-in situation
Post by: keebler on December 16, 2014, 01:50:21 PM
I have a slopeing piece of property, the lowest window to get into ,I bought a piece of Cast Iron porch Railing from Lowes   mounted it in that spare Bedroom window framing. works for me- & I am alone- so all that room has is (stuff). no tv..no valuables in site. October thru April smoke coming from my Chimney more than likely. don't attempt to break in- I hate cleaning up messes. & I really don't want to waste tomato Juice to cover the blood splatters.
Keebler.