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Title: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: 0degreesK on October 13, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
I live in Akron, Ohio, which is about 30 minutes south of Cleveland.  The winters here can get pretty bad.  I started getting into this stuff in the summer, but now I'm faced with winter and I'm kind of nervous.  I have a gas furnace and electric oven/stove.  The way I'm looking at it, if the electricity goes-out for an extended period, I could be in trouble.

I thought about this a couple of weeks ago and started looking at kerosene heaters.  I figured in a pinch, I could put the heater in a bedroom and keep the door close, essentially concentrating on keeping that room tolerable.  But, that would require quite a bit of kerosene.

I don't have a fireplace.

I guess I'm also thinking survival vs. comfort here.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: SueDonim on October 13, 2008, 03:03:10 PM
I don't want to be too obvious here, but please be careful about carbon monoxide poisoning.  I don't know lots about cold weather (being in NC) but I know every time there is a power outage, several people die from carbon monoxide poisoning from running portable heaters (I think they were kerosene) in closed spaces.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I am can add more here.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Roknrandy on October 13, 2008, 04:42:46 PM
I don't want to be too obvious here, but please be careful about carbon monoxide poisoning.  I don't know lots about cold weather (being in NC) but I know every time there is a power outage, several people die from carbon monoxide poisoning from running portable heaters (I think they were kerosene) in closed spaces.

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I am can add more here.

BIG +1  Suedonim

Odegreesk be very careful using one of these if you never have before. read the directions and leave a window cracked open for fresh air to enter
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: 0degreesK on October 13, 2008, 05:56:17 PM
Thanks for the warning... I had no plan of asphyxiating myself.  heheh...
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Beetle on October 13, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
  You can check out the buddy heaters http://www.mrheater.com/ (http://www.mrheater.com/) they have a low oxygen shut off sensor and run about 8-10 hrs on a 1lb propane tank. Nice that they are propane, it takes dealing with Kerosene out of the question.
I've seen them for under $90.  Since the 1lb tanks are a little on the expensive side you can get a kit to refill them from a larger tank.
The only downfall is it might heat a room if it is well insulated, they are not the most powerful of heaters.
On the plus side they are compact and very easy to use.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: 19kilo on October 14, 2008, 04:21:19 AM
In another thread Tactical badger ( who lives in our region) had a great idea of putting a tent up in a large room in the house.    That is now part of my planning with a propane heates and a CO detecter.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: 0degreesK on October 14, 2008, 07:02:37 AM
In another thread Tactical badger ( who lives in our region) had a great idea of putting a tent up in a large room in the house.    That is now part of my planning with a propane heates and a CO detecter.
That's an interesting idea!  Can you track that thread down, by any chance?
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: millerized1 on October 14, 2008, 07:58:50 AM
Thanks for the warning... I had no plan of asphyxiating myself.  heheh...
Not a lot of folks plan for it. 
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: 0degreesK on October 14, 2008, 08:06:47 AM
Thanks for the warning... I had no plan of asphyxiating myself.  heheh...
Not a lot of folks plan for it. 
Survival of the fittest?!?  Sorry... I couldn't resist. ;)
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: dragonart on October 14, 2008, 02:59:34 PM
I live in Akron, Ohio, which is about 30 minutes south of Cleveland.  The winters here can get pretty bad.  I started getting into this stuff in the summer, but now I'm faced with winter and I'm kind of nervous.  I have a gas furnace and electric oven/stove.  The way I'm looking at it, if the electricity goes-out for an extended period, I could be in trouble.

I thought about this a couple of weeks ago and started looking at kerosene heaters.  I figured in a pinch, I could put the heater in a bedroom and keep the door close, essentially concentrating on keeping that room tolerable.  But, that would require quite a bit of kerosene.

I don't have a fireplace.

I guess I'm also thinking survival vs. comfort here.

A wood or coal burning stove is awesome, and you can do what we did.  We bought ours on eBay.  It's in excellent condition and it only cost $120.  All we need is to find someone to hook it up to our existing fireplace w/liner, which we may have found someone who can do it.  If you live in coal country, look into getting a stove that can burn either wood or coal.  The great thing about a cast iron stove is there is no electrical needed and it does provide a substantial amount of heat.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: GroundPounder on October 14, 2008, 03:14:05 PM
I bought a 23,000 BTU kerosene heater at Lowes a few years ago at the end of winter.  They put everything at 1/2 price at the end of the season so its a great time to buy.  It uses about 1 gal every 6 hours.  Of course that depends on how cold it is and how high you turn it.  A couple of 5 gal cans could probably get you through a weekend.  It is a pretty stable fuel so I personally dont have an issue storing a few cans in the garage.  As mentioned, its a good idea to open the window a crack to let some fresh air in.

I also have a few Mr. Buddy's.  They burn through a lot of canisters and just dont seem to work all that well IMO.  Last winter I shut off the heat and fired one up in my bedroom - it had a hard time keeping up.  Great for the deer stand though. 

Something else to consider is how you house is insulated.  Adding more insulation would not only decrease your heating bills, but would hold the heat in longer if you used an alternate source.  It would also decrease fuel consumption on your heat source.

Also look at the clothing you have.  Do you and your family have plenty of warm clothes if you had to bundle up for a while?  You will save a considerable amount of fuel layering up that trying to keep your house at 72 degrees during the blizzard. If your family does not know how to layer teach them. 

As with anything when prepping always have a least 2 options.  I can tell you from experience that you primary option will always break if you only have one. 
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: wingrider on October 14, 2008, 08:50:45 PM
I live in Minnesota where our winters can get cold and snowy. I put a natural gas fireplace in my home 2 years ago. I specifically looked for one that is home heater rated. It has a 110 volt fan and remote control, but will run in a radiant heat mode if the power goes out.
It won't keep the whole house cozy without a fan and ducting, but it will keep the pipes from freezing and that is peace of mind.
And I do have several battery CO detectors throughout the house. CO detectors are now mandated by law in this state.   
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: dreadstalker on October 14, 2008, 09:16:35 PM
In another thread Tactical badger ( who lives in our region) had a great idea of putting a tent up in a large room in the house.    That is now part of my planning with a propane heates and a CO detecter.
That's an interesting idea!  Can you track that thread down, by any chance?

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php/topic,140.0.html
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Puukko56 on October 17, 2008, 06:31:54 PM
I'm in North Dakota, I just got done getting my car winter survival kit ready. It's going into the pickup tonight and won't be out until May.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on October 18, 2008, 11:42:17 AM
Lots of wool blankets.... wrap them around yourself or cover the windows with them. Keeps you warm and comfy!  ;)
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: doctorzero on October 18, 2008, 07:04:17 PM
7700 foot elevation, western slope Colorado Rockies here. Battery operated CO monitor and winter clothing will be primary method here. Big Buddy propane heater for back up. I LOVE snow camping so being indoors even if it is below freezing will be pretty luxurious. LOL
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ink on October 21, 2008, 09:15:51 PM
40 degrees last night, and 34 tonight where I live.  I've always added an oil-filled electric heater in winter.  This year maybe I'll go without it for kicks & SHTF practice. 

I added an unzipped sleeping bag to the bed's blankets.  Tonight we'll see how that goes. 

Started keeping a fleece hoodie and fleece pants near the bed.  Leaving the warm bed for the cold room... this will help.  The fleece pants will fit over other pants... which is actually really warm.  Need to do something about feet now. 

Kinda fun.  I was raised to believe turning on the heat was a sign of weakness, so ditching that electric heater makes me feel good.    ;D
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ottowolf on October 22, 2008, 05:02:30 PM
I have a small battery bank and inverter to keep the furnace running. plus I also have kerosene, propane and colemen fuel heaters as backup.  along with a generator.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: creuzerm on October 22, 2008, 07:51:33 PM
I just helped my folks switch out the propane fireplace with a wood fireplace in the house they bought a few months ago. It took 1000 gallons of LP to heat the house last winter according to the old owners. We have ALWAYS heated with wood at the old house, so we have 2 years of it in a leanto off of the old barn. It's now 3 miles away from the stove, but that's a cheap, if time consuming fix.

The LP forced air furnace will be set pretty low, like maybe 60 degrees. The idea is to see if they can heat with wood for the most part at the new house. I guess we will know in a few months.

This spring I picked up some of those window insulating kits on clearance at the local chinamart. I got half a dozen kits as they where THAT cheap. Both inside and outside application. The next warm day here, I am planning on installing the outside set. I can then install the inside set when I get bored or cold. :)

I had read about the tent idea as well. My current tent is a MASSIVE family tent. I don't think I can even set it up fully in my bedroom. I was thinking of getting a much smaller tent, a backpacking single person's tent when I find one on clearance. As many of these tents are free standing, I don't have to nail them to the floor, so I could even set up the little tent in the bigger tent in the bedroom. That oughta be enough for a candle or an oil lamp to keep warm. Especially if I am all bundled up.

My fish tanks would freeze up if the power was out for an extended period of time. The heaters are small enough that I suppose I could run them off of a power inverter and a deep cycle battery. Not sure where I would charge the battery though.  It would probably be cheaper to replace the fish in the spring, but I would feel so bad about letting them die.
Hrmm, just looking at the tank, it's on an outside wall. I should probably make up a quilted blanket to go between the wall and the tank to keep it a tad warmer over the winter.

The warm clothes. Keep them folded up under your pillow. This should keep much of the chill off of them. I hate putting cold things on in the morning. It just seems to ruin my whole day.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Pangie on October 22, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
I'm in North Dakota, I just got done getting my car winter survival kit ready. It's going into the pickup tonight and won't be out until May.

Hey, that makes you just the person I'm looking for!

I'm in ND, too, and I'm building my winter car kit right now, too.  We haven't had a ton of snow in past years, so I thought it might not be a bad idea to keep some water in the car, too, in case I get stranded somewhere without any snow to melt.  The problem with this is, I'm thinking if I just put a jug of water in the car, it'll freeze and burst.  One thing I thought of is wrapping my blanket around the water and putting it in my container to insulate it, but then if it does  burst, my blanket will be all wet and useless to me.  I know I can get those little water pouches, but I really don't have the spare cash to do that right now and I'd rather do this with an 85 cent jug of water instead.

Also, what all did you put in your kit?  I always feel like I either have way too little or not nearly enough.  I need some help finding my happy medium. :)
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: creuzerm on October 22, 2008, 10:47:16 PM

I'm in ND, too, and I'm building my winter car kit right now, too.  We haven't had a ton of snow in past years, so I thought it might not be a bad idea to keep some water in the car, too, in case I get stranded somewhere without any snow to melt.  The problem with this is, I'm thinking if I just put a jug of water in the car, it'll freeze and burst.  One thing I thought of is wrapping my blanket around the water and putting it in my container to insulate it, but then if it does  burst, my blanket will be all wet and useless to me.  I know I can get those little water pouches, but I really don't have the spare cash to do that right now and I'd rather do this with an 85 cent jug of water instead.

Also, what all did you put in your kit?  I always feel like I either have way too little or not nearly enough.  I need some help finding my happy medium. :)

Cold is cold. Wrapping it in a blanket will slow the water down from getting cold, but it will eventually chill to the 'average' temperature of the car. If it's ten below out, it's going to be ten below inside the car way quicker then you or I want. The blanket will only slow this a little bit.

i have a couple of small bottles of water in my vehicle, probably half a dozen small bottles of water. I get ones that have a good sized air bubble on the top - so the water has some room to expand to. I also get the ones with the heavier bottles, because that air will compress as the ice moves in on it's space. Try putting the bottle into a dish and pop them in your freezer. See if it bursts open. I haven't had any of trouble with the water bottles I freeze to keep the coolers cold. If a small water bottle bursts, you only have a little mess in the car till spring, if a big water jug bursts, you have a big mess until spring.

What you keep in your car is really dependent on where you drive. If you drive from home on one side of Fargo to work on the other side of town, you won't need near the stuff you would need if you live in a small town and need to drive 50 miles to the 'city'.

What's the worst that can happen? Slide off the road and get stuck driving home some night from the city getting supplies for the blizzard that is blowing in?
You would need things to keep you warm. Keep a set of mittens, hats, heavy socks, and blankets for everybody in the family in each car. They can be old shabby ones. Kids are cold enough, the won't care if they aren't stylin'. If your alone, four blankets is a lot warmer then one.

You would need things to get the car unstuck if possible. A tip, a tow-truck or a local's tractor is GREAT for getting a vehicle out of the ditch. If you drive through areas with no cell phone reception, a CB radio may be in order. If they build the ditches in the Dakota's like the do in Wisconsin a shovel and non-clumping cat litter or a tube of sand may not help all that much.

If you feel you need to walk out - unless you can see a place or know exactly where a place is, don't. A car is a lot easier to find then a body. A plow truck will know when it found a car buried under the snow - it may not notice a body under the snow.
Have that map and compass of the area you are walking through. I haven't been through the Dakotas in the winter, but I remember a portion of it being mighty the same in the summer.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Stein on October 23, 2008, 11:31:07 AM
I have a small battery bank and inverter to keep the furnace running.

Great idea, care to share any calculations you did for the lazy amongst us?
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ColdHaven on October 24, 2008, 01:05:03 PM
I just picked this up today, and I think it should be in every BOB and BOV. They are inexpensive and I think would come in very handy in an emergency. They are called 'HotHands' and they are about the average size of a palm, but they do make ones bigger for putting inside clothing and cost the same. They were 1.97 at Wal-Mart for six packs. They claim to reach temperatures of 126-144 F for 10 hours. Now that is handy (slight pun intended). I could see putting these in gloves, pockets, jackets, whatever you could. I live in NC where it never gets too cold. However, I picked them up just in case. I could see using these in an emergency where the risk of hypothermia or frost bite are likely.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: archer on October 24, 2008, 01:10:17 PM
My wife uses those when we camp. She puts them in her sleeping bag on the colder nights. They work great, I keep a small stack in her car in the emergency kit.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Roknrandy on October 24, 2008, 02:41:29 PM
I have a small battery bank and inverter to keep the furnace running. plus I also have kerosene, propane and colemen fuel heaters as backup.  along with a generator.

Have you tested the battery pack out to make sure it will run the motor? Is it wired properly? I've seen several people that have tried to do this and got it wrong. For safety reasons I'd get an electrician to wire a bypass panel in.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: CTF250 on October 24, 2008, 02:56:30 PM
Time to look at what you packed away in your BOB also.  Perhaps the addition of longjohns, wool socks, mittens or gloves, heavy sweatshirt and a pair of sweat pants.

Vehicle prep has been covered a bit in other posts in here.  Time to think about adding the usual winter service,   jumper cables, coffe can with candle etc.


Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ottowolf on October 24, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
in regards to my inverter set up. 1 vector 750 watt, 2 6 volt batteries wire in series for 12volts. I also added an outlet ant plug to my furnce. I havent  tested it for a longterm. Mine main idea for it is to use it night.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: CTF250 on October 24, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
OTTO
Do you have any pics of that inverter setup on your furnace?

Would love to see how you did that
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ottowolf on October 24, 2008, 07:01:42 PM
Don,t have any pic but will try to post some. when i figure out how to.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: SueDonim on October 27, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
Coldhaven.  I agree on the Hothands.  My wife gets very cold (painfully cold) hands when it is cold enough to snow.  Beyond the frostbite question, warm hands do a lot for her morale.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on October 28, 2008, 03:05:00 AM
Coldhaven.  I agree on the Hothands.  My wife gets very cold (painfully cold) hands when it is cold enough to snow.  Beyond the frostbite question, warm hands do a lot for her morale.

I think they're great for comfort, but alas not for survival.

Your body retracts the bloodflow from the limbs in the cold for a reason: to keep the core temperature up. If you apply external heat sources to hands or feet you trick your body into start pumping out blood to arms and legs - and your body heat radiates away from you.
I keep some in my BoB for putting in pockets or for temporary hand warming if my hands are to cold and stiff to start a fire, for example.

...and there's nothing wrong with comfort, anyway. You'll just have to sacrifice some of that in a survival situation!  :-\
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ColdHaven on November 03, 2008, 09:42:07 AM
I am not mentioning the Hot Hands as a comfort item. I meant to use them if there was a genuine threat of frost bite. That is very unlikely here in NC, but you can never tell when the weather will change. I would rather have them (at such a low cost) and never use them than to need them and not have them. If I found myself threatend with frost bite I would definitely use one if I could not find a source of heat quickly enough.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on November 03, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
I am not mentioning the Hot Hands as a comfort item. I meant to use them if there was a genuine threat of frost bite. That is very unlikely here in NC, but you can never tell when the weather will change. I would rather have them (at such a low cost) and never use them than to need them and not have them. If I found myself threatend with frost bite I would definitely use one if I could not find a source of heat quickly enough.

I hear you! But their utility for SURVIVAL could be negative, since they warm extremeties and thus lowers your core temp. Since I'm not survivalist enough to start cutting of fingers or toes to keep alive, I'm in you camp!  ;D
BUT, the most survivalist attitude would be to keep your core temp high, and cut of any toes or fingers that are getting black... and in that scenario, Hot Hands and counter productive. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ColdHaven on November 03, 2008, 02:43:13 PM
Well that is certainly something to consider.  :D But I am not much of a survivalist either. Not enough to cut off fingers, toes, ect. Then again, if NC gets that cold I will be having other problems as well.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ottowolf on November 09, 2008, 09:36:14 AM
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Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on November 09, 2008, 09:53:53 AM
Since I'm living where I'm living (scandinavia), I might as well contribute with what cold weather experience I've accumulated... ;)
Here comes the first in a long line of random cold weather advice:

If stuck outdoors in harsh winter weather, and your best way to keep warm is to build a fire, remember this:

2 - 5 smallish fires are better than one huge pyre.

You can't stand close enough to a big fire to get the benefit of all its warmth anyway, so if you've got lots of wood, build a couple of smaller fires in a semicircle. If you can build them in front of some kind of reflector (such as a rock wall), you utilize an enormous amount of the heat energy generated. Moreover, you won't be well cooked on one side of the body while frozen on the other... ::)
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: archer on November 09, 2008, 11:22:41 AM
+1! Good idea!
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on November 09, 2008, 11:47:59 AM
+1! Good idea!

And I wish it was mine!  :D

Seriously, though, this is one of those ideas that potentially could save your life one day...
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ColdHaven on November 10, 2008, 08:01:09 AM
+1 Lucretius. Wonderful idea!

I remember reading about using reflectors when making a fire, but I never thought of  using more than one fire, and it becomes obvious to me why it would be so beneficial. If one fire goes out, all of it doesn't go out, and you can still have warmth while trying to get the other started. More fires also means more distribution of heat as it comes off the fires. Add in reflectors and you have yourself a pretty cozy area, though the person in charge of keeping all of them lit will be almost a full time job, I would think.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on November 10, 2008, 09:49:52 AM
If one fire goes out, all of it doesn't go out, and you can still have warmth while trying to get the other started.

+1 Yet another benefit for the multi fire option.  8)
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
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Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Darkwinter on March 30, 2009, 05:54:30 PM
I am in NE Ohio as well.  I spent a little bit of money on some Under Armour.  I wore the leggings and longsleve undershirt all winter long.  This stuff is expensive but I highly recomend it to anyone who spends time outdoors in the cold.  The best part about it, was I was warm but didn't sweat!

http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/mens/sports/snow-sports
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Darkwinter on March 30, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
I almost forgot the reason for the post.  As spring approches, this stuff might go on sale.  (Or any other winter item)  Might be worth looking at the clearance rack this spring to stock up on some good winter survival gear. :D
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on April 04, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
Yes, now that summer is coming, winter gear's cheap! Time to buy is now, if you think there will be another winter...
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Darkwinter on April 04, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
DARKWINTER!!!  C'mon!  of course it will snow again!
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: bioboy on April 04, 2009, 04:14:28 PM
I would suggest a rabbit fur hat and buying tough duck parka insulated overalls and a really good pair of mitts not gloves wear them underneath but mitts work better.. I use to work in Manitoba which can get lower then -40F Think North Dakota. I have worked outside in high winds (don't ask) and I was quite warm just had to watch the face for freezing. I had a normal toque and froze my ear tips a little they hurt until last year in the winter when it was cold.                 



Here's what I'm talking about
http://www.weaverdevore.ca/product_info.php/products_id/78

http://shopping.msn.ca/results/clothing-shoes/bcatid5/tough-duck/2-4914/forsale?text=category:clothing-shoes+Brand:Tough-Duck   

http://www.furhatworld.com/rabbit-full-fur-russian-trooper-hat-black-p-351.html
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ClarkB on April 04, 2009, 05:31:44 PM
A tent that can handle winter camping (4 season tent) and good sleeping bags are a necessity for cold weather survival.  My wife and I each have three sleeping bags - 0 deg. F., 20 deg., and 40 deg.   The 0 deg. bags are rectangular design, and the other two are mummy type bags.  By putting the 20 degree bag inside the 0 degree bag you can endure sleeping in sub-zero temps.  If you spend about 8 hours a day "in the sack" then you can conserve heating fuel by not needing it when you are in the sleeping bag.

I live in Upstate NY, at the edge of the "Tug Hill Plateau" where we get unbelievable 'Lake Effect' snowfall. from Lake Ontario.  Winter survival is something that people in the south don't need to consider, but can be a life or death situation in the north.  So I am glad to see some discussion on this topic.  If a person is properly prepared then it is possible to turn the winter to your survival advantage, and it can be a potent ally.  Consider Napoleon and Hitler, and what happened when they tried to conquer Russia during the winter.  Fort Drum, home of the 10th Mountain Division, is located on the Tug Hill because the climate and terrain are suited to their mission's training requirements.  They are the guys who fight in the mountains of Afghanistan in the winter, and they are the guys I am counting on to protect my 'neighborhood' in the northeast in a SHTF situation.     
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: rustyknife on April 04, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
Remember, if you are cold put your hat on, if too warm take your hat off. If possible get out of the wind. Hide behind something. When I was a kid living in Eastern Montana there were times that it got to -20 and below with a strong wind to drive it. On the Great Plains there are a lot of places where there are no trees or rocks to hide behind. Several time I remember walking forward as normal then turning around a walking backwards just to give the front of my legs a chance to warm up. While riding my motorcycle through North Dakota one year I stopped and bought a Sunday paper to put in my jacket and pant just to try to keep warm. Think poutside the box, you can laugh about it latter.
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Bloodyboots on April 05, 2009, 12:14:01 AM
Coming from Wisconsin, winter survival seems....normal!

Plan on wearing layers of clothing, not that one big thick parka you saw, but 2-3 sweatshirts, a couple of old flannel shirts, and a nice wind breaker should do you until its below zero. Always carry extra hats, gloves, mittens, socks and boots. They get wet, and then they don't keep you warm.

Insulate, insulate insulate. The more you keep heat in, the less you have to heat. Do it now when the weather is getting warm and the stores are having sales.

If your surviving out of doors, BANK YOUR FIRE! A set of large logs or stones behind the Fire will double the heat coming your way. And hang old blankets around your campsite to block the wind, anchor them down and they become decent walls.

If you lose power, First order of business, choose your warmest room in your house, and begin moving bedding and clothes i their for the family to huddle together. Sleep together for warmth. And wear a hat at night, you won't believe the difference it makes.

A primer http://www.wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/winter/index.html
And more http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/winter-survival/
Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: Lucretius on April 05, 2009, 01:40:30 AM
For hard work, such as cutting wood, remove some clothes (warm jacket, hat) or you'll start to sweat, which will make you inner layer clothes wet. Not good.

Good winter jackets have a harness system, that lets you hang the jacket on your back rucksack-style, when working. That way you won't need to lay your jacket on the cold, snowy ground...

Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ClarkB on April 22, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
These winter photos were both taken within a half mile of where my wife and I (with MIL reluctantly in tow) are moving to this year.  As you can see, we do not have water shortage issues on the Tug Hill Plateau of upstate NY.  This type of snow is tough to deal with, but compared to hurricanes or earthquakes, the snows are predictable and can be 'prepared for'.  Besides the snow, sub-zero temps are also possible, with 10 deg F being common.  As I mentioned earlier, this weather is a deterrent to roving hoards or lone wolves, since they will die if they are forced to remain outside.  We considered moving south, and we looked at Oklahoma, N.C., I used to live in Georgia (military service), and have relatives in Florida; but we decided that our friends, most of our family, and our lake-side mountain camp (in my family for 105 years) were all in NY state, so we will stay here despite the snow and taxes.  We have found that about two weeks stay in warm climes is enough to relieve the winter blahs, so that is our plan. 

Our new place uses wood for heat (has a 120 acre managed woodlot), and we have opportunities for solar, wind, and micro-hydro power generation.  We will grow much of our own food, and possibly grow some for sale at local farmers markets, etc. ('cash' crop).  In the summer this area is spectacularly beautiful and has moderate temperatures in the seventies and eighties.  It is surrounded by some of the best fishing in the U.S. and has plenty of wild deer and turkey.  The winters do SUCK though.  The snowfall can be pretty, and it is even fun to to play in the snow, but a person has to be able to survive the winter before one can progress to 'enjoying' it. 

Consider the "Bug Out Vehicle" thread - some folks are advocates of ATVs, or Gators, or soft top Jeeps for survival vehicles - now consider that you need to travel in these conditions; how far will the ATV get before you freeze?  That is why I prefer the Suzuki Carry micro-trucks as a utility vehicle around the homestead - because they have an enclosed cab and a heater.  Winter up here means that you will experience a guaranteed deadly environment for several months a year.  It make a hot southern day with 100 degree temps, where you can at least find shade, seem easy to endure.

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 I frequent Syracuse University, and there are many students from foreign countries such as China, Africa, the Middle East, and South/Central America.  In talking with these students it is always one of two cases:  1) either the first winter is a real wake-up call for them, or 2) they have heard of "Snow City" (the name used around Beijing University for Syracuse) and are dreading what is to come when they arrive in the fall.  Heaven forbid when these grad students are driving in the winter.  Often they have never driven before and they have never seen snow, so it is like bumper cars at an amusement park.   


The flip-side of the equation is what the rest of the year looks like.  Winter, by definition, brings with it the Spring and the Fall, with Summer tucked in between.  The water makes the foliage lush; we just trade the Florida hurricanes for New York winters.  The photos below were taken within a mile of where the above photos were taken.  The difference is February vs. August.  You guess which is which.

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Title: Re: Cold Weather Preps
Post by: ClarkB on April 22, 2009, 11:11:07 AM
A shovel is nice to have as it can clear an area and be used to build shelter.  Snow shoes and skis for basic transportation.