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Title: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on November 28, 2019, 12:56:43 PM
According to natural news this would ban martial arts as well as all weapons I guess ? If this is true it is the total opposite of the second amendment and what you always knew that the left eventually wanted to not just ban certain high capacity rifles but any form of self defense. I think that is easily witnessed in the UK and other places.

 I just linked to the sites of the actual law rather than natural news or infowars

https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64+hil

 Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.

..

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

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other related articles

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/virginia-bluestate-secondamendment-gunlaws/2019/11/24/id/943090/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQ3M2xcwv0

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/11/yes-virginia-they-want-to-seize-your-guns/#axzz66bWZOtij

https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries

Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on November 29, 2019, 07:26:11 AM
viva la resistance!

https://freebeacon.com/issues/virginia-second-amendment-sanctuary-movement-just-getting-started/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/virginia-second-amendment-sanctuary-movement-just-getting-started/)
Gun-Rights Leader: Virginia ‘Second Amendment Sanctuary’ Movement Just Getting Started

(https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VCDL-supporters-in-Amelia-County-e1574882838372-736x491.jpeg)
"Second Amendment sanctuary" supporters gather outside a meeting room in Amelia County, Virginia / VCDL
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on November 29, 2019, 07:50:33 AM

I can easily imagine a day where if you were involved in gun rights advocacy or anything similar opposing leftist ideology then you could be denied employment, banking, credit etc. I would not underestimate what is possible and I think political non involvement is likely to just make it all more likely
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: armymars on November 29, 2019, 10:14:18 AM
I wonder if this includes my MARS training or the national guard.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on November 29, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
I wonder if this includes my MARS training or the national guard.

It is worded as if to prohibit martial arts. Hard to believe but these days anything seems possible
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on November 29, 2019, 12:53:21 PM

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/newly-elected-lawmakers-plan-full-scale-assault-on-rifles-handguns-firearms-training/

Alert: Newly elected lawmakers plan full scale assault on rifles, handguns, firearms training

..

intent is no longer really required, leaving every gun range owners and employees susceptible to prosecution for simply doing business. It’s plain as day why this language is the way it is, because with these key words, only loose connections need to be established to criminalize gun owners and enthusiasts.

Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 30, 2019, 08:45:07 PM
So... this is all a bunch of crap.

Here is the current law, which has been on the books since 1987:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited. (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-433.2/)

Quote
A person shall be guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder.

Here is the proposed new law (link provided by surfivor):

SENATE BILL NO. 64 (https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814)

The only change this bill makes (besides grammar and punctuation changes) is to add a third paragraph:

Quote
3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

There is no new law against firearms, or martial arts, or paramilitary groups.  There's only an amendment to prohibit armed marches "with the intent of intimidating".  Disapprove of that amendment if you like, but this proposed law has nothing to do with taking away your right to learn Krav Maga.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 01, 2019, 12:33:48 AM
So... this is all a bunch of crap.

Here is the current law, which has been on the books since 1987:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited. (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-433.2/)

Here is the proposed new law (link provided by surfivor):

SENATE BILL NO. 64 (https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814)

The only change this bill makes (besides grammar and punctuation changes) is to add a third paragraph:

There is no new law against firearms, or martial arts, or paramilitary groups.  There's only an amendment to prohibit armed marches "with the intent of intimidating".  Disapprove of that amendment if you like, but this proposed law has nothing to do with taking away your right to learn Krav Maga.

It doesn’t mention any martial arts specifically but the way it’s worded does sound like that although maybe it would never be enforced. Why does the legislature have to pass unconstitutional laws anyway I am not sure tho I do have some doubts if those laws would be applied but it is still interesting and no doubt they wish they could get people to comply with similar types of restrictions or if they had such apparent justification etc. any time there is a mass shooting or similar event they always push the envelope as much as possible even if the actual details of what happened or how it happen turn out to be very questionable. They establish a narrative and promote that towards their ends which is always a desire for restrictions

They are also apparently I guess taking an older unconstitutional law, adding to it and running it through once again, probably for added emphasis etc
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 01, 2019, 01:24:05 AM

When I read laws sometimes it’s not always clear what they mean. They appear to be run on sentences written in lawyer language that need a lawyer to translate them but different lawyers may also give different answers as to what the laws mean. I am not sure these laws are written in correct English and may seem very ambiguous
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 01, 2019, 04:57:13 PM
So... this is all a bunch of crap.

Here is the current law, which has been on the books since 1987:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited. (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/18.2-433.2/)

Here is the proposed new law (link provided by surfivor):

SENATE BILL NO. 64 (https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814)

The only change this bill makes (besides grammar and punctuation changes) is to add a third paragraph:

There is no new law against firearms, or martial arts, or paramilitary groups.  There's only an amendment to prohibit armed marches "with the intent of intimidating".  Disapprove of that amendment if you like, but this proposed law has nothing to do with taking away your right to learn Krav Maga.

The martial arts angle is a media seeded straw man to distract from the real issue which is an attempt to stop protests against their anti-gun legislation.  As explained by the various law enforcent websites:

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-bill-to-make-firearms-training-an-illegal-paramilitary-activity-and-felony/ (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-bill-to-make-firearms-training-an-illegal-paramilitary-activity-and-felony/)
Virginia bill to make firearms training an "illegal paramilitary activity" and felony?

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.”.

How it will be Perceived/Explained:
Well now this will try to put you at rest from thinking that someone can legally start up some kind of training camp to prepare people to wreak havoc on your city, which with the way the law is written it can certainly be applied in that fashion.

And that portion pertaining to marching, well that’s to stop anyone from making it look like they own your streets via a militaristic grip and toting their scary guns. Keep in mind, this is how it will be sold and broadly digested.

How it can be Enforced:
That last Section, 3, is the most unique part of the law. While Section 2 can be applied much like Section 1 can, that third portion has the ability to criminalize open-carry demonstrations and peaceful protests.


In other words, if any group assembles in protest and anyone in the group, even a plant, has a firearm, then the politicians can say it was an attempt to intimidate.  The result will be the classification of everyone there as felons and thus they would all lose their firearm rights.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: mountainmoma on December 01, 2019, 09:53:52 PM

How it can be Enforced:
That last Section, 3, is the most unique part of the law. While Section 2 can be applied much like Section 1 can, that third portion has the ability to criminalize open-carry demonstrations and peaceful protests.[/i]

In other words, if any group assembles in protest and anyone in the group, even a plant, has a firearm, then the politicians can say it was an attempt to intimidate.  The result will be the classification of everyone there as felons and thus they would all lose their firearm rights.

I agree, this is a huge change in the law.

The existing law, so the first two parts, specifically state that there is an  Intent of furthering a civil disorder.

The third part, is way more subjective.  While it still contains the word "intent"  the rest, intimidation, is too subjective, it is in the eyes of the beholder, and this generally means the eyes of the person who feels intimidated.  This makes a person responsible for someone elses feelings.  I felt intimidated.  In this day and age, absolutely anything you do is going to "make someone feel bad"  which is interpreted as intimidation.  A person feels intimadated because another is open carrying, never mind that it is legal !  Now the legal citizen is a criminal because of how the first person felt !  Not to mention, in a way, isnt the whole point of any protest to be a show of numbers ?  A show of strength of shared purpose or thought of the demonstrators ?  So, in that sense, any person of the opposing thought would feel intimidated by that show of strength even in a political disagreement having nothing to do with 2A
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: David in MN on December 02, 2019, 06:45:47 AM
"Assembles with one or more person"... Does that include my kid in the carseat? I hate to say it but the vagaries of this law hang on intent. Beyond that it could just be a couple in a car with a cigarette lighter. It's that poorly written.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 03, 2019, 04:27:31 PM
They definitely need bigger meeting rooms in Virginia.  Maybe NRA will open up the headquarters space for the council next time.  ;)

We're rooting for you, Virginians!
 
https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1201977885143306240 (https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1201977885143306240)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 11, 2019, 08:24:20 AM
Keep going, Virginians!  Gotta blow up that death star and take down emperor Northam and darth Saslaw.  You can do it.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/virginia-dems-cave-on-confiscation-as-2a-sanctuaries-expand/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/virginia-dems-cave-on-confiscation-as-2a-sanctuaries-expand/)
Virginia Dems Cave on Confiscation as 2A Sanctuaries Expand
Gun-rights groups unsatisfied with concession, vow to fight on


Virginia Democratic leaders abandoned their gun confiscation proposal Monday following a grassroots outpouring of opposition to gun control across the state.

Governor Ralph Northam (D.) and incoming Senate majority leader Dick Saslaw (D.) said they will no longer pursue their marquee plan to ban the possession of "assault weapons." Instead, they will include a provision to allow Virginians to keep the firearms they already own. The reversal comes before the newly elected Democratic majority has even been sworn in, after a majority of the state's counties declared themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries."
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 12, 2019, 08:31:04 PM
Pretty much every county, city, and police department has rejected the democrats' plan.  Now they are threatening to call out the national guard against the people exerting their constitutional rights.  But word is that national guard is going to decline calls.  What is next?  Go full Swalwell and threaten nukes?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control)
'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution, National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.

After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an “assault weapons” ban, and a red flag law.

Legal firearm owners in the state, however, joined with their sheriffs to form Second Amendment sanctuary counties, which declare the authorities in these municipalities uphold the Second Amendment in the face of any gun control measure passed by Richmond.

Over 75 counties in Virginia have so far adopted such Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in the commonwealth, the latest being Spotsylvania County. The board of supervisors voted unanimously to approve a resolution declaring that county police will not enforce state-level gun laws that violate Second Amendment rights.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 12, 2019, 11:04:18 PM
This is very serious stuff isn’t it. I guess the “alarmists” were right
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: fred.greek on December 13, 2019, 12:26:35 AM
So, it will be in Virginia that you show your wife / girlfriend how to safely handle / use a firearm.  Later you two are taking a walk & a thug tries to mug you.  She fires a round, misses, & the thug runs away.  The bullet hit someone's mailbox.

A rational person would not call that a civil disturbance, but, I can absolutely see some radical prosecutor going after you for showing her how to handle a firearm.

§ 18.2-433.1. Definitions.
As used in this article:
"Civil disorder" means any public disturbance within the United States or any territorial possessions thereof involving acts of violence by assemblages of three or more persons, which causes an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 15, 2019, 08:26:53 AM
Ah, but what does the Virginia Army National Guard say?  Well, their Adjutant General responded in a statement saying they wont even speculate about such a role: ""We have received multiple questions regarding proposed legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session and the authority of the Governor of Virginia to employ the Virginia National Guard in a law enforcement role. We understand and respect the passion people feel for the U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights. We will not speculate about the possible use of the Virginia National Guard."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/yes-virginia-the-governor-really-can-use-the-national-guard-to-enforce-gun-control (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/yes-virginia-the-governor-really-can-use-the-national-guard-to-enforce-gun-control)
Yes, Virginia, the governor really can use the National Guard to enforce gun control

With dozens of Virginia counties declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, some Democratic lawmakers have said the governor should use the National Guard to enforce future gun control legislation — but can he?

Virginia Democrats, who control the legislature and governorship, have proposed several measures, including an “assault weapons” ban, universal background checks, and a red flag law. In response, 75 counties vowed they will not enforce future gun control legislation. Virginia Democratic Rep. Donald McEachin told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that Gov. Ralph Northam “may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law” if local authorities refuse to do so themselves.

The president, as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, is the only person who can nationalize the Guard, but state governors have the latitude to use it to enforce state law, legal experts said.

“Until nationalized, it’s a creature of the state. So that’s what leads me to believe that, yes, the governor can activate the National Guard to enforce even a state law,” Gary Solis, a military law professor at Georgetown University, told the Washington Examiner.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 15, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
The guard might still try it even if the deny it. They could also try replacing the guard leadership with people who would. I wouldn’t doubt it and I would not trust any of these people
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 15, 2019, 10:39:36 AM
The guard might still try it even if the deny it. They could also try replacing the guard leadership with people who would. I wouldn’t doubt it and I would not trust any of these people

They tried it in New Orleans and it was a disaster.  The guard leadership was forced to pull out of that role in a couple days because of troop refusal. And remember, all it takes is one phone call from the president to nationalise the guard and it immediately stops.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 15, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
Citizens putting the politicians on notice:

https://youtu.be/eLh5BdAGv6E (https://youtu.be/eLh5BdAGv6E)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 15, 2019, 12:07:18 PM
They tried it in New Orleans and it was a disaster.  The guard leadership was forced to pull out of that role in a couple days because of troop refusal. And remember, all it takes is one phone call from the president to nationalise the guard and it immediately stops.

I think some guns where confiscated in New Orleans. Any one of these democrats running for office would encourage gun confiscations at any possible chance if they where in office so maybe vote for someone else even if they are not libertarian
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 15, 2019, 04:10:11 PM
I think some guns where confiscated in New Orleans. Any one of these democrats running for office would encourage gun confiscations at any possible chance if they where in office so maybe vote for someone else even if they are not libertarian

The vast majority, if not all, of the ~600 seized in New Orleans was by local police, not national guard.  National guard gave up when they met resistance from  citizens.   The governor of the Virgin Islands also ordered the guard to seize firearms in 2017.  The guard told him to pound sand.  They learned from the New Orleans experience and adopted their own policy not to seize firearms from citizens during emergencies.  It is not worth the loss of troop lives to support crazy politicians' positions.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 15, 2019, 08:14:17 PM
The vast majority, if not all, of the ~600 seized in New Orleans was by local police, not national guard.  National guard gave up when they met resistance from  citizens.   The governor of the Virgin Islands also ordered the guard to seize firearms in 2017.  The guard told him to pound sand.  They learned from the New Orleans experience and adopted their own policy not to seize firearms from citizens during emergencies.  It is not worth the loss of troop lives to support crazy politicians' positions.

How do people resist? They say “turn in your guns” and people say “no thanks but I appreciate the opportunity ” something like that ? I’m not really familiar with the exact details but am curious what you refer to. If I heard something else about it, it was many years ago so I may have forgotten
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 16, 2019, 09:31:29 AM
How do people resist? They say “turn in your guns” and people say “no thanks but I appreciate the opportunity ” something like that ? I’m not really familiar with the exact details but am curious what you refer to. If I heard something else about it, it was many years ago so I may have forgotten

The situation was that for a week after the storm there was little police or national guard presence.  There was a lot of looting and residents started to band together to protect themselves and their property.  Then the police showed up.  A declaration was made that there was a mandatory evacuation and no-one would be able to be armed during the evacuation.  Some people complied and handed over there firearms and evacuated but the vast majority refused; saying they werent handing over their arms or that they didnt have any. Except for weaker individuals (like the elderly) the police didnt press the point.  But the police apparently started spreading rumors that the soldiers were coming and that they were going to take people's firearms and use force to compel them to leave.  The national guard arrived on the scene admist these rumors but almost at once the troops refused.  See here for example story from a national guard member: https://youtu.be/2HRZfvtYlCY (https://youtu.be/2HRZfvtYlCY)

There were thousands of firearms rounded up, but the vast majority were from empty houses primarily to keep looters from getting them  Best guess is that about 600 were taken from individuals directly (which is horrible).  But of those, there were none that were documented as being taken by national guard from what I have been able to find (and at the time I scoured the threads).  There were rumors of National Guard from California and Oklahoma stealing firearms and other valuables found in homes and maybe taking some from people they evacuated, but no confirmation could be found.

The NRA quickly sprang into action regarding the firearms being taken.  They got a judge to sign order stopping police from taking firearms from people and ordering the ones taken returned.  The mayor and chief of police of New Orleans knew they were in deep trouble and denied having taken or holding any firearms.  But in end NRA compelled their return through the court system and member pressure campaign.  However many of the firearms were damaged from storage or because some police were immediately smashing them.

So between the citizens and national guard refusing to comply and the NRA jumping on it immediately, the confiscations were ended.  The same thing is happening in Virginia except this time it looks like the majority of police and county reps are on the good side too.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 17, 2019, 03:38:07 PM
Franklin county becomes 97th 2A sanctuary by unanomous vote.  Only a half dozen counties more to go and only two counties likely not to join.

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2019/12/17/franklin-county-becomes-virginias-latest-second-amendment-sanctuary/ (https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2019/12/17/franklin-county-becomes-virginias-latest-second-amendment-sanctuary/)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 18, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Now 100 with town of Vinton being latest.  And Stafford county meeting was overwhelmed with citizens.  Hundreds of 2A Sanctuary supporters spoke but even after three hours of testimony long lines remained!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMCdw0zWkAEQq09?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 20, 2019, 01:15:11 PM
https://freebeacon.com/issues/like-a-freight-train-9-out-of-10-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/like-a-freight-train-9-out-of-10-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries/)
‘Like a Freight Train’: 9 Out of 10 Virginia Counties Declare Themselves 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries

The grassroots push for Virginia counties to say they won't enforce gun bans even if passed by the state legislature is spreading "like a freight train," with nearly 9 out of 10 counties in the state declaring themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries" and thousands of people expected to show up for a pro-gun rally in the state capital next month.

"It's been like a freight train," said Philip Van Cleave, whose Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) has helped organize the sanctuary movement. "It started moving and it's moving under its own weight at this point. It's amazing."

Van Cleave said the group is doing everything it can to leverage the energy of the "Second Amendment sanctuary" movement which has swept across the state at breakneck speed the past few weeks. As of Friday, 85 counties, 9 cities, and 17 towns had formally declared themselves sanctuaries, according to the gun-rights group.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Prepper456 on December 20, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
i hope no one gets hot headed
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 22, 2019, 07:01:25 AM
Update:  Stephen Gutowski is reporting on Twitter that Gov. Northam's office now says he isn't considering using National Guard to enforce any gun laws.  Looks like the Adjutant General won that battle
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 23, 2019, 08:26:13 AM
Update: counties and towns are now forming militia units led by law enforcement admist Dems tyranical threats.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/thousands-of-cops-veterans-supporters-pledge-to-join-militia-in-virginia/ (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/thousands-of-cops-veterans-supporters-pledge-to-join-militia-in-virginia/)
Thousands of cops, veterans, supporters pledge to join militia in Virginia to combat unconstitutional laws

Last week, we reported on how lawmakers over in Virginia were threatening to use the National Guard if members of local law enforcement refused to enforce laws passed in the state that they felt violated the second amendment.

That’s what sparked things in Tazewell County, which said it isn’t going down without a fight.

On top of calling themselves a second amendment sanctuary county, they’re also crafting a militia as well. The Virginia county has taken the movement that has swept across the state and added an element that is sure to trigger pro gun-grabbing politicians in the state.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: David in MN on December 23, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
My sister lives in Virginia and has some involvement in national security. How do I put this... I can't tell you what she does. Virginia is an oddball because it, like so many states, is dominated by a couple blue cities and awash in red rural areas but it's also the bedroom commuter for most of the 3 letter agencies. If you picked one state awash in full auto M16s and Glock 18s it would be Virginia.

She says it's nuts right now. People are talking insurrection and a lot of agencies are talking about de-escalation tactics because dispatching a small rural police force to deal with 25 farmers is a loser on the power continuum especially if some of those "farmers" are CIA hostage team leads (VA has crazy "farm" laws where guys get a farm exemption based on selling produce so a lot of people go rural and have "on your honor" roadside stands so they can be farm exempt and have a few acres).

It's a mess and I have no idea how it shakes out. Obviously I hope cooler heads prevail and everybody stays safe.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 23, 2019, 12:50:19 PM
It's a mess and I have no idea how it shakes out. Obviously I hope cooler heads prevail and everybody stays safe.

One of my lobbyist friends lives there.  He said hundreds of recall petitions are lined up ready for delivery to judges very concerned about the governor's disregard for the law.  First the reps will be recalled then new reps will launch impeachment of governor. They are just waiting for most opportune time when they have maximum strength assembled.

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Virginia (https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Virginia)
Laws governing recall in Virginia

Code § 24.2-233 states that "Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer or officer who has been appointed to fill an elective office, residing within the jurisdiction of the court."[2]

The Virginia Law Review in 1975, the year the recall statutes were enacted, noted of the law, "A single Code article now governs the removal of state and local officers, both elected and appointed, except those whose removal from office is specifically provided for in the Virginia Constitution."
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 29, 2019, 12:06:36 PM
Just a sample of the speeches being made in Virginia by people from all walks of life:

https://youtu.be/kigsFjdJrJI (https://youtu.be/kigsFjdJrJI)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Carver on December 29, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
I’m proud of the Virginians.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 30, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
It's critical time.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191230/virginia-first-weeks-of-january-are-critical (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191230/virginia-first-weeks-of-january-are-critical)
Virginia: First Weeks of January are Critical

Law-abiding gun owners throughout the Commonwealth must continue to join together to fight against gun bans, gun rationing, and confiscation this January in Richmond. Your NRA has events planned for the early, critical days of the 2020 legislative session.

The first hearing of the Senate Courts of Justice Committee is January 13th, where lawmakers could hear the first slate of bills to restrict our freedom into oblivion. It’s critical that law-abiding gun owners are heard on this day, because waiting even one week to make our voices heard, whether individually or at an organized event, will simply be too late. Anti-gun zealot Gov. Northam wants the entire package of gun control bills fast-tracked for passage in the first week of the short session.  We must defend freedom at the very first hearing on the 13th and show the new bought and paid for anti-gun majority that our rights are not for sale – to Bloomberg or anyone else. Join us!

January 13, 2020, starting 8:00AM
General Assembly Building
900 E Main St.
Richmond, VA 23219

NRA staff will be on site with giveaways, including an emergency airdrop from Magpul.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on December 31, 2019, 04:05:32 PM
I feel like the libertarian attitude I sometimes hear about not being politically active is not helpful in cases like this. This is the model for the future,: if sheriffs or law enforcement won’t go along with gun confiscation then they will lose their pensions and possibly bank accounts/credit cards as well. It’s one of those things they you need to fight even if losing is a possibility. In some fights you could lose but you still should fight. If someone broke into your house and attacked you you might want to fight against them even if you felt the odds where against you. You need to support political candidates and sheriffs who will take strong positions against this type of thing. If it happens successfully the way these leftist want in one state then it will happen in other states.

Based on what we are seeing the possibility of UN troops or foreign troops does not seem far fetched. Why wouldn’t they try anything at this point? People need to think about any such scenarios. People said how could the mass shootings possibly have a political agenda because they can’t succeed but clearly there was an agenda. I feel people where wrong on that. You need to vigorously object to the FBI taking all the evidence from these shootings and never solving them and the FBI should not even be allowed to investigate because they are corrupt and the truth is obscured by them. Forces connected to the FBI are the same anti gun people looking to concoct reasons for gun control etc . You also have to get concerned about vote fraud
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Carver on December 31, 2019, 04:42:55 PM
Imagine what must have gone through the minds of the signers of the Declaration of Independence knowing that they were putting their lives on the line.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 31, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
I feel like the libertarian attitude I sometimes hear about not being politically active is not helpful in cases like this..

Libertarians are more politically active than any other group save greens.  Who do you think is participating in this?  And believe me, Libertarians make concerted efforts to support constitutional sheriffs.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 03, 2020, 12:01:37 PM
Virginia Governor tried to secretly fund his own "door kicking" gun confiscation force which would report directly to him with no judicial or representative oversight.  Unprecedented in US history.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/virginia-governors-call-for-18-person-gun-ban-force-comes-under-fire (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/virginia-governors-call-for-18-person-gun-ban-force-comes-under-fire)
Virginia governor’s call for 18-person gun ban force comes under fire

Virginia’s pop-up gun sanctuary movement has turned its attention to fighting the governor’s call for a $4.8 million, 18-officer team to enforce his proposed “assault weapons” ban.

Two key groups issued an alert this week to push gun owners to four budget hearings Thursday around the state, asking them to quiz state legislators if they will vote to ban or confiscate weapons.

“We understand that this is short notice. But it would have a significant impact if many of our members could show up and make a 3-minute statement and ask questions of the legislators in attendance,” said the Virginia Citizens Defense League.

“We see in the governor’s proposed budget that he wants $4 million and 18 new law-enforcement positions to enforce a ban on commonly-owned firearms,” said Erich Pratt, Gun Owners of America senior vice president.



Let's not forget that this all started with his efforts to disempower African Americans, something he has pursued his whole life. I think we all know from what group he would recruit and which doors will be kicked in first if he succeds in forming such a lawless force.

(https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/northam-photo-2-e1549055808249.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 03, 2020, 07:09:30 PM
Strange bedfellows.  ANTIFA joins efforts to stop Northam's and the Southern Democrats racist gun control efforts.

https://www.facebook.com/AntifaSevenHills/posts/1411756002332143 (https://www.facebook.com/AntifaSevenHills/posts/1411756002332143)

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p296x100/81046225_1411746698999740_7734066730825154560_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=U8-qlz1JpWsAQkkKR_7hvjwHsnjYE7CISUZpYr0txilR8v74bj3XoYlkQ&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=4298bcd75507afeffa1c39a865beddaa&oe=5E669D20)

ASH Anti-Fascists of the Seven Hills
December 26, 2019 at 3:01 PM ·

Gun control has a racist past indeed.

We are avidly against Virginia democrats gun control measures. Ralph Northam’s threats of violence of using the national guard to take weapons from the people for laws that haven’t even passed yet is reprehensible. Meanwhile, he continues to make us all extremely unsafe by constantly licking the boots of Dominion Energy.

We stand with working class and other marginalized people thathave the right to arm and defend themselves against a myriad of very real threats. Democrats are creating a very unsafe scenario for many in VA as tension across the state builds.

We do not believe the state exists to protect us.
We keep us safe.



Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 03, 2020, 09:18:18 PM
Trying to keep their useful idiots under control is not always going to be easy OR maybe the idiot shock troops are starting to get an idea of who the real fascists are
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Carver on January 03, 2020, 09:30:27 PM
An enemy of your enemy isn't necessarily your ally. I can see how this could be a problem.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 03, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
Yes.  But now we have learned there is one thing that can get them all to (at least temporarily)set aside differences and work for the common good - a state government takeover by the KKK.  I will sleep a little better tonight knowing that.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 04, 2020, 10:18:11 AM
https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-promises-strong-presence-to-block-virginia-gun-bans/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-promises-strong-presence-to-block-virginia-gun-bans/)
NRA Promises ‘Strong Presence’ to Block Virginia Gun Bans

The National Rifle Association said Thursday it will work with gun owners to swamp the first hearing of the Virginia Senate committee considering new gun bans in an effort to beat back the gun-control proposals from Governor Ralph Northam (D.).

NRA spokeswoman Catherine Mortensen told the Washington Free Beacon that the gun-rights group is mobilizing its members to appear at the first meeting of the Virginia Senate's Courts of Justice on Jan. 13. The organization hopes that pressure from constituents will make newly elected Democrats, who helped the party capture control of the state legislature, think twice about supporting gun bans pursued by the state's Democratic governor. Those new Democrats, who were silent on gun bans during the election, hold the key to how far the two-vote Democratic majority in the state Senate and the five-vote majority in the House of Delegates go with new gun laws.

If gun-rights supporters can convince just a handful of Democrats to oppose a new gun-control measure, it will not become law. Mortensen said the Courts of Justice committee is the first stop for those new gun-control proposals, and gun owners in the state need to show their opposition to those bills face-to-face.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 06, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
Virginia Beach joins as sanctuary number 118 after record crowd attends council meeting.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/01/06/huge-overflow-crowd-assembles-at-virginia-beach-council-meeting-over-gun-sanctuary-status (https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/01/06/huge-overflow-crowd-assembles-at-virginia-beach-council-meeting-over-gun-sanctuary-status)
Huge overflow crowd assembles at Virginia Beach council meeting over gun sanctuary status
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 07, 2020, 11:02:34 AM

 Restrictions on indoor shooting ranges is being proposed in VA now. According to infowars, this would shut down the NRA's main shooting range

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/breaking-virginia-vows-to-shut-down-all-gun-ranges-not-owned-by-the-state/



https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB567

Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty. Prohibits the operation of an indoor shooting range, defined in the bill, in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card. The bill provides that any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 10, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
LOL.  British newspapers didnt understand it in 1775 and they still dont understand it in 2020.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/09/virginia-gun-control-second-amendment-civil-war (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/09/virginia-gun-control-second-amendment-civil-war)
Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 12, 2020, 10:51:59 PM
https://twitter.com/NRA/status/1216550061221588992 (https://twitter.com/NRA/status/1216550061221588992)
EMERGENCY AIRLIFT:
@Magpul_HQ sent us 1,000 30 Round PMAGs to hand out tomorrow in Richmond to NRA members who show up to fight Northam’s extreme gun ban!

We’ll see everyone TOMORROW at the General Assembly Building in Senate Sub-Committee Room #1 on the 5th Floor at 8am! #valeg
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 13, 2020, 04:08:17 PM
Busy day for 2A supporters. NRA members flooded the meeting dwarfing anything to date.  It was really embarrasing as the dems forced the small comitee room to be divided in half and the politicians marched in mom's demand action people on one side to try to make it look like it was 50/50 on TV..  But there were so few they couldnt even fill those seats.  Meanwhile the NRA had thousands there filling all overflow rooms and rows outside all around the buildings.  Totally freaked out the dems and they pulled the craziest bills including "assault weapon" confiscations.  But still some very bad things moved out of committee and NRA vowed to return for rest of process with multiples of those there today..

(https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/20200113_123439-736x552.jpg)

https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-supporters-flood-virginia-capitol-push-dems-change-gun-control-bills/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-supporters-flood-virginia-capitol-push-dems-change-gun-control-bills/)
NRA Supporters Flood Virginia Capitol, Push Dems to Change Gun-Control Bills

Thousands of NRA supporters turned out at Virginia's capitol building on Monday in a show of opposition that pushed Democrats in the state legislature to moderate or abandon some of their strictest gun-control proposals.

"We are beyond impressed by today's turnout," Daniel Spiker, Virginia state director for the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, told the Washington Free Beacon. "You can see the passion and enthusiasm that the citizens of Virginia have in joining us in this fight."

The presence of gun-rights supporters at the state Senate judiciary committee hearing appeared to have an impact, as Democrats formally withdrew S.B. 16—a hotly-contested bill that would have effectively confiscated AR-15s and similar firearms—and moderated several other proposals. The NRA, however, said the changes were not enough and promised to continue to oppose the bills as they continue to move forward in the coming weeks.
...
"I'm a single female that travels the country by myself in completely new areas," she told the Free Beacon. "I never know where I'm going to end up, and to protect myself with whatever firearm I choose is so important to me. With the bills that are written and how they're written, 90 percent of my firearms, including my carry firearms, would be made illegal, and I would be made a felon overnight."

"I was disappointed to see the state legislature was interested in instituting these pieces of legislation," Richard Cosner, a preacher from nearby Chester and a 10-year Virginia resident, said. "The Constitution is specific; it ‘shall not be infringed.' If somebody wants to restrict those rights then they need to follow it by altering the Constitution, not by putting in place legislation that is in conflict with the Constitution.".
...
The size of the NRA's push on Monday eclipsed the attendance of a similar event held last week by Michael Bloomberg-backed gun-control group Moms Demand Action. According to Moms Demand's official estimate, just 200 volunteers showed up to push legislators for more gun control—an order of magnitude smaller than the number of NRA supporters in attendance on Monday. While the Free Beacon did not witness any Moms Demand Action supporters outside the Judiciary Committee hearing, the group's president posted pictures on Twitter showing eight members in attendance.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 15, 2020, 11:10:01 AM
Growing realization among newly elected dems that they will lose their seats if they go along with Imperial Wizard Ralph Northam's radical proposals. 
 
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/14/va-dems-drop-ar-15-confiscation-after-1000s-of-nra-members-show/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/14/va-dems-drop-ar-15-confiscation-after-1000s-of-nra-members-show/)
VA Dems Drop AR-15 Confiscation When 1000s of NRA Members Show

Was interesting to see that Bloomberg's Moms Demand Action group was composed of white, upperclass, middle-aged-to-retired people while NRA members were a broad mix representative of the entire population.  This made for some diverse arguments against the proposed legislation like this gentleman speaking about the challenges faced by his disabled spouse: https://m.facebook.com/NationalRifleAssociation/videos/2544809072462551/ (https://m.facebook.com/NationalRifleAssociation/videos/2544809072462551/)

Estimates are for tens of thousands to show up when legislation is debated.  Northam is freaked and is now trying to do everything to quash their 1st amendment rights: There are no rights this guy wont trample in his attempts to disarm minorities and lower income people, even calling fake states of emergency to do it.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-virginia-democrat-governor-ralph-northam-to-declare-emergency-banning-all-guns-from-state-capitol-grounds/ (https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-virginia-democrat-governor-ralph-northam-to-declare-emergency-banning-all-guns-from-state-capitol-grounds/)
Virginia Democrat Governor Ralph Northam To Declare Emergency Banning All Guns From State Capitol Grounds For Upcoming Protests
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 15, 2020, 01:29:11 PM
Case in point:

https://youtu.be/557Q9C8RP4M (https://youtu.be/557Q9C8RP4M)
Meet the 16-Year-Old Competitive Shooter Working to Keep her Guns Legal in Virginia

Mia Farinelli is like most teenage girls in most ways but her skill as a world-class competitive shooter has brought her into the national spotlight. She's now using that spotlight to teach others about her sport and to stop Virginia politicians who want to ban the guns she competes with.

Stephen Gutowski follows Mia as she practices shooting, makes coffee for customers at her afterschool job, beats competitors twice her age, lobbies her lawmakers, and speaks at a county meeting during the height of the Virginia Second Amendment sanctuary movement.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 15, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
 A VA state police officer called into infowars today. He says the democratic establishment run by Obama is running this thing in VA and the analysis seems to be they to get some kind of a conflict or a shootout between police and gun owners during the impeachment process. Perhaps they think that could help them with getting Trump impeached somehow

 The officer also said that people in high places are being told that if they don't go along with it that they will be indited after they get rid of Trump and the next administration comes it. He claims he has heard all this from other people he works with. He also believes that the UN or foreign entities will be the ones taking the guns, but he said it will all happen slowly and incrementally until they get all the people in office that they need and in various counties. He also mentioned how voting fraud through the voting machines plays into this

 This officer said that what people need to do is stop thinking about hiding their guns in their backyard and arrest the governor. That sounds like a political action to me rather than an anarchist do nothing approach

 I think it has always been a slow moving operation. The many mass shootings that where created using mind control happened along time ago but help give the impetus and propaganda for the whole thing

 I'm also hearing that Soro's has gotten his sheriffs and DAs elected all over the place

 It was also said that Bill Barr isn't going to do anything but that Giuliani will be the next guy to take that AG office and he is ready to arrest people but who knows

 A whole bunch of police and military seem to be calling in to infowars podcast today to talk about VA. I am listening to hour 2, I skipped hour 1 but I may see what's on that hour
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 15, 2020, 04:35:56 PM
Call in audio here as well, although it is cut off here from the actual show. Maybe they wanted to protect his identity or something

https://www.infowars.com/obama-behind-northams-anti-gun-emergency-says-virgina-state-police-officer/

OBAMA BEHIND NORTHAM’S ANTI-GUN ‘EMERGENCY,’ SAYS VIRGINA STATE POLICE OFFICER
Obama continues to meddle in state and local politics – even after his presidency!


Virginia Gov. Northam’s anti-gun “emergency” was orchestrated by former President Obama, according to this Virginia State police officer:


Obama does have a history of muscling into state and local-level issues. Case in point, the former president created a “Task Force on 21st Century Policing” back in 2014 which was intended to place more federal control over local police.

“Just weeks after the report [on the task force] was released, the administration unveiled a list of six U.S. cities targeted to serve as ‘pilot sites’ to develop and deploy federal guidance for local police — all of it supposedly to create ‘better procedures, reduce racial bias, and regain citizens’ trust,'” reported The New American. “The plan, officially dubbed the ‘National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice,’ will use U.S. taxpayer dollars to deploy ‘experts’ and ‘researchers’ charged with training officers to act in a manner that the DOJ deems just — in essence doing the bidding of the Obama administration.”

And, during the Clinton administration, a survey was given to U.S. Marines at the 29 Palms Marine Corps base in California which asked if they would “fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government.”

It was later reported that, during the Obama administration, top military officials were given a litmus test asking them if they would fire on US citizens or not.

“Going back to the beginning of this administration, I’ve had friends within the community talking about how they were brought in and questioned with people from more towards the top side and the questioning… where it was pointing was do you feel comfortable disarming American citizens,” former Navy SEAL Ben Smith said.

Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Hurricane on January 15, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Where were all these 2A people on the last election day? And the one before that?
Somebody voted all these libs into office.
Reaping what was sown.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 15, 2020, 05:37:00 PM
Where were all these 2A people on the last election day? And the one before that?
Somebody voted all these libs into office.
Reaping what was sown.

They were there.  But Dems got activist judges (Obama appointees) to gerrymand the districts for them.  They basically disenfranchised 30% of the state.  That was only way they could win.  That is why Sanctuary movement is so widespread in VA.  Many are people who had their vote stolen from them.

Also, most of the new Dems ran saying they would not support new gun laws.  They lied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/federal-judges-choose-va-redistricting-map-favorable-to-democrats-six-gop-house-districts-would-get-bluer/2019/01/22/401b2618-1ebc-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/federal-judges-choose-va-redistricting-map-favorable-to-democrats-six-gop-house-districts-would-get-bluer/2019/01/22/401b2618-1ebc-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html)
Federal judges choose Va. redistricting map favorable to Democrats

Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 15, 2020, 05:49:50 PM

 There is likely election fraud as well
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 15, 2020, 09:08:06 PM
Perspective (green are 2A sanctuary areas):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOWaA0NXkAABn41?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Now West Virginia has bill entered to allow 2A sanctuaries to leave Virginia and become part of West Virginia. 

http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bulletin_Board/house_abstract.cfm?ses_year=2020&sesstype=RS&headtype=ab&houseorig=h (http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bulletin_Board/house_abstract.cfm?ses_year=2020&sesstype=RS&headtype=ab&houseorig=h)
Admitting certain counties and independent cities of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the State of West Virginia as constituent counties - Introduced 1/14/2020 - To Government Organization then Rules

HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8

[Introduced January 14, 2020]

Providing for an election to be had, pending approval of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and a majority of qualified citizens voting upon the proposition prior to August 1, 2020, for the admission of certain counties and independent cities of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the State of West Virginia as constituent counties, under the provisions of Article VI, Section 11 of the Constitution of West Virginia

Whereas, The Legislature of West Virginia finds that in 1863, due to longstanding perceived attitudes of neglect for the interests of the citizens of Western Virginia, and a studied failure to address the differences which had grown between the counties of Western Virginia and the government at Richmond, the Commonwealth of Virginia was irretrievably divided, and the new State of West Virginia was formed; and...


This is actually historically legit with several offers still standing from civil war times.

https://wset.com/news/local/west-virginia-invites-virginia-county-to-join-them (https://wset.com/news/local/west-virginia-invites-virginia-county-to-join-them)
West Virginia invites Virginia county to join them

The West Virginia Senate adopted a resolution by voice vote Monday to remind residents of Frederick County, Virginia, that the county has a standing invite — from 1862 — to become part of West Virginia. It now goes to the House of Delegates.

The resolution was introduced by Morgan County Republican Charles Trump, whose district borders Frederick County. Trump was born in Winchester, the seat of Frederick, which is Virginia’s northernmost county.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 16, 2020, 09:47:44 AM

The West Virginia Senate adopted a resolution by voice vote Monday to remind residents of Frederick County, Virginia, that the county has a standing invite — from 1862 — to become part of West Virginia. It now goes to the House of Delegates.

The resolution was introduced by Morgan County Republican Charles Trump, whose district borders Frederick County. Trump was born in Winchester, the seat of Frederick, which is Virginia’s northernmost county.


this is hilarious!
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 16, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
It is fascinating to watch it play out.  The last time people like Northam led Virginia, half the state's counties left:

https://wvcivilwar.com/ (https://wvcivilwar.com/)

That could very well happen again.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 16, 2020, 03:24:51 PM
The fake emergency declaration is being challenged.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/virginia-sued-over-2nd-amendment-gun-rally-ban (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/virginia-sued-over-2nd-amendment-gun-rally-ban)
Virginia sued over Second Amendment rally gun ban

Two gun rights groups planning to host a rally of 130,000 supporters Monday at the Virginia state Capitol have sued to repeal Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam’s ban on guns, even for those with permits.

“Governor Northam is behaving like the royal governors who long preceded him. He has arrogantly and brazenly tried to restrict the rights protected to Virginians by the First and Second Amendments,” said Erich Pratt, senior vice president of Gun Owners of America.

His group is joining the other rally organizer, Virginia Citizens Defense League, in pushing to win back gun rights on Capitol grounds for the Monday “lobby day” when members planned to press lawmakers to reject a wave of gun control legislation sailing through the Senate.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: scoop on January 16, 2020, 04:13:08 PM
Lexington And Concord Redux In Virginia - Chuck Baldwin

From an email I got from Chuck Baldwin


some things I don't agree with that he puts forth, but the Virginia issue, this just might be the 2nd shot heard around the world


Lexington And Concord Redux In Virginia

By Chuck Baldwin
January 16, 2020


Tragically, most Americans do not have any idea what it was that actually triggered America’s War for Independence. The primary reason was not “taxation without representation,” or taxes of any kind, for that matter. And it was certainly not because our Founding Fathers were a bunch of anti-government extremists or demon-possessed puppets of the Illuminati.


For the most part, our Founding Fathers were good and honorable men of devout Christian faith. They were mostly educated men of means who had much to lose by supporting America’s War for Independence. They were schooled in both the Holy Scriptures and the principles of Natural Law. They were men who valued liberty above safety and wealth and were willing to sacrifice their “lives, fortunes, and sacred honor” to be able to bequeath the principles of liberty to their posterity.


“The shot heard ’round the world” in the pre-dawn hours of April 19, 1775, on Lexington Green, Massachusetts, was probably inevitable, but the causes of its occurrence cannot be denied. The primary mission of the British Crown that morning was to confiscate the firearms of the colonists in Lexington and Concord. It sent 800 military troops to fulfill that mission.


Warned of the approaching British troops by Paul Revere and William Dawes, a little over 70 men (mostly from the congregation of the Church at Lexington, pastored by Jonas Clark) stood on Lexington Green, muskets in arm, to face the troops. The rest, as they say, is history.


What is undeniable is that decades of grievances of the colonies against British injustice and oppression did NOT bring the colonies to open rebellion against the Crown. For decades, the colonies peacefully petitioned, redressed, reasoned, appealed, pleaded and remonstrated with the British Crown without bloodshed. Even the Boston Massacre on March 5, 1770, did not bring the colonies to arms against their government. But when British troops marched on Lexington and Concord to confiscate the firearms of the colonists, the line between peaceful protest and armed revolution was crossed.


Now, almost 245 years later, the government of the Commonwealth of Virginia is threatening to cross that line again. As we speak, the State of Virginia is attempting to pass laws that would forcefully confiscate the arms of the people of that sovereign State: specifically, semi-automatic rifles AND pistols.


Virginia Governor Ralph Northam is backing a proposed ban on “assault weapons” that would prohibit the sale of many semi-automatic firearm designs like the AR-15, but would grandfather existing owners of the weapons so long as they are registered — or else face surrender.
His proposed bill did note, “The provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment.” (Source)


In fact, Governor Northam has asked the Virginia legislature for an additional $250,000 to fund the anticipated incarceration of Virginians who refuse to comply with the State’s gun confiscation ban and an additional $4.8 million budget to fund a special 18-member SWAT team dedicated to confiscating the arms of the people of Virginia. A U.S. Congressman from Virginia, Donald McEachin, is urging Governor Northam to call out the Virginia National Guard to confiscate the arms of the Virginians.


Predictably, hyper gun-grabber and billionaire Jewish Zionist Michael Bloomberg is throwing his money and support behind the Virginia governor’s efforts.


Make no mistake about it: This has the potential to be a Lexington and Concord redux.
Get a grip on this folks! This is happening in the land of Washington and Jefferson—the land of Lee and Jackson. This is happening in Virginia. I lived in Virginia for over two years; our oldest child—our only daughter—was born in Virginia.


As one can imagine, the freedom-loving people of Virginia are NOT taking this lying down. Ninety-one counties and eleven cities in the State have declared themselves to be in open rebellion against these tyrannical proposals from Richmond. The vast majority of sheriffs around the State have said they will NOT enforce these gun confiscation laws, if they are passed. And the sales of firearms in Virginia have exploded.


I encourage readers to watch this testimony from a Virginian who was a former active duty soldier and Marine and is currently a Major in the Marine Corps Reserve and a federal police officer, regarding the resolve of Virginians to maintain their right to keep and bear arms.


This coming Monday, January 20 (the day in between the birthdays of Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson, by the way), 100,000 Virginians are expected to descend on the Virginia legislature in Richmond to protest the proposed gun confiscation acts—acts that can only be described as acts of war against the people of that State.


A sizeable number of states with tyrannical gun-grabbing governors and State legislatures are watching the events in Virginia with heightened interest, as they intend to enact the same kind of gun confiscation laws in their states. The governor of Washington State is already seeking gun confiscation laws in that State predicated on the proposals of the Virginia State government.


And as one can imagine, other draconian gun control measures, such as universal background checks (meaning there would be no such thing as private gun sales), a high-capacity magazine ban (magazines holding more than ten rounds), gun registration—and Donald Trump’s favorite: “red flag” gun confiscation laws—are also being proposed.


Speaking of Donald Trump, has anyone noticed that this president who keeps telling us how much he supports the Second Amendment has thus far said absolutely NOTHING in defense of the brave men and women of Virginia who are RIGHT NOW fighting for the right of every American to keep and bear arms? Not a peep! Not a tweet!


This braggadocious, pompous, loquacious loudmouth, who is quick to condemn almost anyone and everyone to eternal hell if he doesn’t agree with them, is totally mute about the Lexington and Concord redux that is taking place right now in Virginia. He conducts rallies all over America, so why won’t he go to Virginia and help rally the people in support of their God-given right to keep and bear arms?


From a strictly political perspective, Trump should be jumping all over this situation in Virginia. After all, he LOST that State in 2016 to Hillary Clinton. And since Trump became president—and for the first time in 26 years—Democrats control the governor’s mansion and both State houses. And what is the first thing they try to do? Propose laws to confiscate the people’s firearms.


Trump has campaigned all over America in support of the Second Amendment. He has repeatedly told us that he is a “true friend and champion” for the Second Amendment (of course, he told us the same thing about the pro-life cause, and he’s done absolutely NOTHING to overturn Roe—and continues to fund Planned Parenthood to the tune of over a half billion dollars annually).


One would think that Donald Trump would be seizing the opportunity that this Democrat gun grab in Virginia affords him to rally the people of that State to his 2020 candidacy by screaming to the heavens about how Democrats are going to take their guns and how he will protect those liberties.
Instead, he’s said NOTHING.


Remember, however, this same Donald Trump is the loudest voice in the country in support of “red flag” gun confiscation laws. In his heart and soul, Trump has always been a New York pro-gun control, pro-abortion liberal. He only became “pro-life” and “pro-gun” when he decided to run for president as a Republican in 2016.


There is absolutely no doubt that the rush to enact gun confiscation laws by states around the country—including Florida and Virginia—is largely due to the encouragement they received from President Trump’s boisterous call for gun confiscation in 2018.



Plus, I hope you realize that Donald Trump is also the loudest voice in America in support of the militarization of our police.


For decades, I have tried to awaken the people of America—especially the Christian people of America—to the existential threat against our right to keep and bear arms. I have urged Christians to vote with their feet and get out of these statist churches who teach that we are Biblically bound to submit to governments that would demand the surrender of our firearms. Any pastor or Bible teacher who takes that position is not only anti-freedom, anti-Constitution, anti-Bill of Rights and anti-Natural Law; he is also anti-Christ and anti-God.


My constitutional attorney son and I co-authored a book entitled To Keep or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns. Every Christian in America—especially in Virginia right now—needs to read this book.
I delivered two messages dedicated specifically to the scriptural duty of Christians to never surrender their arms—and I’m talking about our AR-15 rifles. The first message is entitled A Biblical Portrait Of The Righteousness And Requirement Of Bearing Arms. And the second message is entitled The Attack Against Our Guns And The Christian Duty To Repel The Attack.


I’ve said it from the pulpit, and I’ll say it here: The day that my AR-15 rifle is outlawed, I will be an outlaw! And I would make that decision with the perfect confidence that doing so is in total conformity with the scriptural and Natural laws of my Creator and Redeemer—the same confidence as had Jonas Clark and those brave men on Lexington Green.



The truth is, the attempted tyrannical behavior of the State of Virginia—and many other government entities across the country—are exactly why America’s founders put the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting and everything to do with protecting oneself and others from common criminals and with protecting freedom from the criminals in government—ANY government.


To the valiant, liberty-loving people of Virginia, I say: HOLD THE LINE! Fate has chosen you to once again be the vanguard of liberty for our nation. Never surrender your arms! Never surrender your semi-automatic rifles or your semi-automatic pistols. Never surrender your high-capacity magazines. And never surrender your right to freely sell, purchase or possess a firearm without government registration.


AT ALL COSTS, DO NOT SURRENDER!


If the tyrannical gun grabbers of this country can succeed in bringing the People of Virginia to their knees, it will start a whirlwind of gun confiscation that will sweep across this entire nation.


I’m here to tell you that the vast majority of the People of Montana are with you. And if and when it comes our turn to stand and fight this tyranny, that is exactly what we will do. And I’m sure I am speaking for the People of Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia and many, many others.
Christian pastors in Virginia: Rally the people to liberty!


Sheriffs, police chiefs, deputy sheriffs, policemen and State patrolmen: Resist this tyranny!


It is no hyperbole to say that the future of America as a free and independent country rests upon the shoulders of the People of Virginia RIGHT NOW, as well as with the liberty-loving people in all of our 50 sovereign states.
Donald Trump or no Donald Trump. Republican Party or no Republican Party. Pastor or no pastor. Governor or no governor. Lawman or no lawman. WE THE PEOPLE fought to make this country free; and WE THE PEOPLE must fight to keep this country free.

© Chuck Baldwin
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
Look what Northam's private squad just had delivered courtesy of the VA taxpayers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOc8j92X4AIk-6w?format=jpg&name=medium)


If you havent seen one before, it is an armored insertion vehicle.  It is for his confiscation team that they just dropped booku bucks for.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOc9dJzX4AEObbj?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 11:18:17 PM
Nothing to see here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EObpAf-WoAALEy8?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 18, 2020, 08:51:29 AM

 
I have heard about this. I think something is supposed to happen on Monday. PJW on infowars says bring wire cutters in case they cage you into a pen and you may be crushed and they won't let you out while antifa attacks or some such
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 19, 2020, 07:30:15 AM
What's going to happen on Monday ? Are some gun rights protesters going to bring guns to the rally in Richmond ?


 I found some articles about a supposed new Nazi group related to all this. This first article makes it sound like these guys where planning to attend the rally and commit felonies but other articles mention the usual FBI set ups of that group that are all too common. This is apparently justification for the state of emergency that the VA governor called for.

If this information is basically spot on which often it does seem to be like many other similar scenarios we have seen, it shows that conspiracy theorists have been right all along about the FBI and their political campaign of smoke and mirrors, entrapment and worse things. They are the agency that you should be concerned about rather than thinking that basically not caring or being concerned about any of it is the way to be. In order to fight such effective propaganda that brainwashes the masses, you basically need to actively expose it and call for changes

https://time.com/5767354/what-to-know-about-the-pro-gun-rally-richmond/

Tensions are High, Extremists are Expected to Attend. Here's What to Know About the Pro-Gun Rally in Richmond, Virginia

..

A judge’s decision to uphold Northam’s banning of firearms and weapons came Thursday as the FBI arrested three men with ties to a racist violent extremist group known as “The Base,” who allegedly had plans to attend the Monday rally and were carrying a “firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony,” according to a statement by the Department of Justice. The three men — Brian Mark Lemley, Jr., 33, William Garfield Bilbrough IV, 19, and Patrik Jordan Mathews, 27 — are facing varying federal charges that include immigration (Mathews is a Canadian national) and firearms violations.


==============


https://www.unz.com/item/the-base-inside-the-fbis-newest-scary-story/

The FBI has since the summer been under immense political pressure to turn up “white supremacist domestic terrorists.” As with leftists and Muslims during previous political crackdowns, the FBI is dusting off the old playbook and manufacturing them.

The latest case is a group called The Base, a small organization that is considered the most extreme of all the right-wing groups. Their members have been raided across the country in the past few days. The latest is a man in Wisconsin who, for all the noise made in the media about terrorism, is only charge is in relation to breaking a Synagogue’s window.

The FBI Gets Tough on Illegal Immigration

The FBI released a press release celebrating its “bust” of three Base members in Maryland. According to the media, these three men, one an undocumented immigrant from Canada, were planning a terrorist attack at the upcoming Virginia gun right’s rally.

Governor Ralph Northam has alluded to this as the excuse for his decision to suspend his state’s open-carry laws at the demonstration, which gun rights groups have appealed on Constitutional grounds to no avail.

The actual criminal complaint, however, does not mention this supposed plot at all. According to the affidavit filed by FBI agent Rachid T. Harrison, the men in question are only being accused of immigration and gun crimes.

According to Harrison, Brian Mark Lemley and William Garfield Bilbrough broke the law when they picked Canadian Patrik Jordan Mathews up in Michigan after he crossed the Canadian border. Then they helped him rent a motel room, and later, Lemley allowed Mathews to stay with him in an apartment in Delaware. Finally, the men allegedly modified a rifle, went to the store to buy ammunition and paper targets, and then took the rifle to a gun range, where the FBI had set up a stationary camera to watch them shoot it.

After a long fishing expedition, the federal government was reduced to charging them with a multitude of immigration related crimes – an ironic political statement by them, to say the least – and a number of gun technicalities, partially relating to the modified firearms upper receiver and allowing “illegal alien” Patrik Mathews to fire it at the range.

There is nothing in the affidavit about any conspiracy to commit violence at the rally in Virginia. That story appears to be concocted to help Governor Northam stave off legal appeals for his unconstitutional “State of Emergency” rules.

FBI-Manufactured Georgia Murder Plot

The only serious charges related to “The Base” (which the media pretends is named after Al Qaeda) is the arrest of another group of three men in Georgia for an alleged plot to murder two anarchists belonging to the left-wing paramilitary group “Atlanta Antifa.”

According to the official criminal complaint, an undercover FBI agent had infiltrated the group, and got close to alleged Luke Austin Lane, Michael John Helterbrand, and Jacob Kaderli, whose ages range from teens to mid 20s. The FBI agent was instrumental in goading the young men, planning the murder, and providing important materials for the conspiracy.

It began in early October 2019, at a meeting of Base members, where a man not being charged or named referred to as “TB [The Base] Member” (in other words, an FBI informant) began talking to Kaderli about his idea to start killing local militants belonging to “antifa.”

Kaderli then tepidly agreed with the idea in theory, but went on to talk about his plan to join the French Foreign Legion. “TB Member” then began mocking him for his “escapism.”

“TB member,” then told him that if he wanted to engage in violence, he had a plan to kill “antifa” that he had been discussing with Lane, and then the undercover FBI agent. Kaderli and Lane did not pursue this idea further.

Weeks later, the undercover agent brought the idea up again to the men. Lane and Kaderli are cited as not wanting anything to do with “TB member’s” plot.

After putting their cellphones away, Lane confided to the undercover agent the details of the informant’s plan, and that he resolutely wanted nothing to do with it.

The federal agent, who presented himself as an experienced killer, continued to persist, until finally persuading Helterbrand, Lane and Kaderli to agree to the “plot” months later in December.

Throughout the entire planning phase, Lane expressed doubts, and kept putting it off, making all kinds of excuses along the way to not appear weak or unwilling.

The three men then joined the FBI agent in plotting the murder, including the house that was being targeted. Interestingly, Lane had expressed to the agent that he wanted to “kill” the other informant, though this is not extrapolated in the document. The agent obtained a car to drive them to the home of the anarchists, and later they were arrested.

Would the murder have ever happened without the FBI entrapping these men? No. If these men go to trial, the hasty, sloppy nature of this phony plot invented by law enforcement will be revealed.

The FBI Is a Political Actor

While the FBI expends massive amounts of resources trying to gin up phony murder plots by 19-year-old “white domestic terrorists,” actual homicides are going unresolved at record high rates. They are not a law enforcement body.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Carver on January 19, 2020, 07:57:05 AM
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/2020-01-19.jpg (https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/2020-01-19.jpg)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 06:33:23 AM
The recall process has begun for Uber-Governor Northam.  Virginians at the rally are signing the petitions in droves.  Martin Luther King would be proud
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 07:45:28 AM
CNN has been reporting that hundreds are expected to rally.  This is what the line at metal detectors looked like before it even officially began:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOu0H43W4AEQeDt?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 08:00:34 AM
Organizers of the anti-2A counter rally cancelled the event which included high level Democrat speakers.  They only had about 30 people show up and didn't want to be embarrassed.  They had to load up tons of boxes of t-shirts and signs.

Meanwhile thousands of rallyers who refused to go unarmed are forming a ring around the plaza.  Looks like they will outnumber Northam's men by an order of magnitude.  So fears of Northam doing something stupid is greatly diminished.

The homemade signs are amazing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOu5x2xWoAMhTtT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
The left is sending in fake rallyers instigating violence while claiming to be conservatives and libertarians.  But the crowd which includes real ones are having none of it.  They are being rooted out, isolated, and kept from making radical statements unchallenged to media.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1219270732351516673 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1219270732351516673)

They are now reporting over ten thousand armed cutizens have completed the circle and thousands of unarmed are already filling the square.  Nirtham's gambit has failed to discourage the event.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 08:50:09 AM
Stephen Gutowski of Washington Free Beacon doing an amazing job covering it:

https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1219282398648598530?s=19 (https://twitter.com/StephenGutowski/status/1219282398648598530?s=19)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 08:58:59 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hero-sutherland-springs-texas-church-shooting-virginia-gun-rally.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/hero-sutherland-springs-texas-church-shooting-virginia-gun-rally.amp)
Sutherland Springs church hero to speak at Virginia gun rally: It's more about 'control' than safety
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 09:30:59 AM
And here is MSNBC doing their normally (in)accurate reporting of events on 2A.

https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1219271317242945540 (https://twitter.com/gabegutierrez/status/1219271317242945540)

Lots of hit pieces in media before rally even took place; CNN, PBS, Guardian.  You would think they would actually wait until event had taken place before launching false narratives.  Guess they felt they couldn't wait for this one.

Meanwhile, the rallyers are having a great time mocking them:

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1219286445942284290?s=09 (https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1219286445942284290?s=09)

The speaches are starting early as they can't fit anymore people into the fenced in square.  I hope they all brought their ear protection with them.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvKQy9XkAAAWv1?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: IKN on January 20, 2020, 09:40:44 AM
Thank you for all the updates and keep 'em coming !!
Seem YouTube & Facebook are shutting down any info coming from the people there.
The "Live Feed" I was watching a few minutes ago on YouTube was stopped by them with a post that the individual was a "Ru7ssian Collaborator". Get real !!
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Prepper456 on January 20, 2020, 09:57:56 AM
there are tons of live feeds on youtube so not sure where you are looking. ruptly brietbart rt and a couple dozen others
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
It is amazing how much more articulate the typical American is versus the politicians on stage mumbering words.  Doubt you will see this gentleman on CNN.

https://twitter.com/PatriotNotPol/status/1219296683328253952?s=09 (https://twitter.com/PatriotNotPol/status/1219296683328253952?s=09)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
Nancy Pelosi's Refuse Fascism group showed up "in force" to ,march in front of the journalists.  Ten to one odds they will be featured video on CNN with lots of narrow lens editing and cuts from Charlottesville riot.  Here is the reality:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1219291826026373122 (https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1219291826026373122)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Rally is over and people are leaving.  Stephen Gutowski summarized it well: "People are begining to clear out as the rally comes to an end. The attendence was massive. There was no violence, disturbance, or really any consternation from what I witnessed. I did not see any racist displays whatsoever. Everyone in attendance was focused on gun rights."
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 20, 2020, 11:16:17 AM
various live feeds of the gun rally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ8xjg7mcgE

This appears to be live drone footage or it goes between the people giving speeches and the drone footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh3F5iwdII0
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 11:40:25 AM
CNN coverage is amazing.  Note how they try to advance their false narrative by muddling events.  Putin would be proud.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvr8pxXsAgyi05?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: IKN on January 20, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
I was watching the live Ruptly coverage on YouTube when it just stopped.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 12:08:19 PM
There we have it.  A well regulated militia working to secure a free state exercised their constitutional rights.  It was peaceful, orderly, and sent a clear message.  The founders would be proud.

Now, will the the Dems listen or will more exercising be needed for them to drop their infringing on the rights of the people?
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: surfivor on January 20, 2020, 12:41:15 PM
I was watching the live Ruptly coverage on YouTube when it just stopped.

I am seeing it here on the same link I posted .. ACTUALY I guess if you push it to the end it says the live feed is over. I don't know why, it's only mid afternoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ8xjg7mcgE


One part of feed is showing a bunch of cops on bicycles standing with their bikes in the middle of an intersection sort of like they are blocking the road maybe

Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 20, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
AP and Reuters have non-hostile coverage of the rally:

AP, 1/20/20: Pro-gun rally by thousands in Virginia ends peacefully (https://apnews.com/2c997c92fa7acd394f7cbb89882d9b5b)

Quote
...The size of the crowd and the expected participation of white supremacists and fringe militia groups raised fears that the state could see a repeat of the violence that exploded in 2017 in Charlottesville. But the rally concluded uneventfully around noon, and the mood was largely festive, with rally-goers chanting “USA!” and waving signs denouncing Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam.

Many protesters chose not to enter the designated rally zone, where Northam had instituted a temporary weapons ban, and instead packed the surrounding streets, many dressed in tactical gear and camouflage and carrying military-style rifles as they cheered on the speakers. ...

Authorities said that as of 1:40 p.m., there had been no reports of arrests or injuries. ...

Reuters, 1/20/20: Thousands of armed U.S. gun rights activists join peaceful Virginia rally (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-rally/thousands-of-armed-u-s-gun-rights-activists-join-peaceful-virginia-rally-idUSKBN1ZJ15B)

Quote
More than 18,000 armed gun-rights activists peacefully filled the streets around Virginia’s capitol building on Monday to protest gun-control legislation making its way through the newly Democratic-controlled state legislature. ...

Those wanting to enter Capitol Square to be near the morning’s speakers or to speak with lawmakers had to pass through a single entrance for security screening, leaving their guns outside. ...

Grayson County Sheriff Richard Vaughan, who is from a sanctuary county, held aloft a banner supporting the Second Amendment on a street in front of the capitol.

“Some of these bills being proposed are just unconstitutional and we will not enforce them,” Vaughan said. ...
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: scoop on January 20, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
And the rally ended peacefully.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: IKN on January 20, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
My best hope is they got enough signatures to remove that oath breaking, traitorous, POS from office and that both criminal & civil charges will be filed against him and the rest of their legislative body.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 05:36:00 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-violence-in-virginia-pro-second-amendment-rally-as-ralph-northams-fearmongering-falls-flat (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-violence-in-virginia-pro-second-amendment-rally-as-ralph-northams-fearmongering-falls-flat)
No violence at Virginia pro-gun rally as fearmongering falls flat

On Monday, tens of thousands of people descended on the state Capitol in Richmond, Virginia, to exercise the First Amendment in defense of their Second Amendment rights. But if all you’d done was follow liberal media reports and take cues from Democratic politicians, you would have expected this political protest, launched in response to Virginia Democrats' anti-gun legislative agenda, to end in violence and be made up of extremists.

Examples of hysterical media fearmongering abound...


Media Devastated Virginia Rally Went Off Perfectly
https://youtu.be/40grTJ9qlvA (https://youtu.be/40grTJ9qlvA)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 05:47:07 PM
https://freebeacon.com/issues/thousands-peacefully-protest-for-gun-rights-in-richmond/amp/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/thousands-peacefully-protest-for-gun-rights-in-richmond/amp/)
Thousands Peacefully Protest For Gun Rights in Richmond

Tens of thousands gathered in Richmond, Va., on Monday to oppose new gun-control measures being pushed by Democrats in the state legislature.

The event’s peaceful procession marked a stark contrast to mainstream media portrayals of a rally filled with white nationalists and others prepared to do violence. The day’s rally concluded without a single incidence of mayhem or civil unrest.

Music, shared food, and chants of "USA!" made for a festive, fraternal atmosphere as marchers displayed their support for Second Amendment rights in Virginia. The march has been put on annually by the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), a pro-gun-rights group that has been at the center of the controversy around new gun-control legislation. Monday's protest, however, was by far the largest turnout, as gun-owning Virginians gathered from across the Commonwealth to advocate for their rights.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 20, 2020, 05:49:46 PM
https://youtu.be/anPD8REsRk0 (https://youtu.be/anPD8REsRk0)
While Discussing Peaceful 2A Rally, CNN Keeps Up Chyron About Kansas City Shooting
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 21, 2020, 06:38:00 AM
Politicians like AOC and media outlets like CNN and PBS have been pushing the narrative of "confederate flags" at rally.  Yet across the tens of thousands of photos and hundreds of video feeds not a single one has been found.  Which makes me now think that they believe the stars and stripes are a confederate flag.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOwrCTMXsAAnNt3?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 21, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
Politicians like AOC and media outlets like CNN and PBS have been pushing the narrative of "confederate flags" at rally.  Yet across the tens of thousands of photos and hundreds of video feeds not a single one has been found.  Which makes me now think that they believe the stars and stripes are a confederate flag.

I don't know - I see a Betsy Ross flag in there, and we all know that is racist.  Maybe they got confused between that and the Stars and Bars?
/sarcasm off
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 21, 2020, 08:54:00 AM
I don't know - I see a Betsy Ross flag in there, and we all know that is racist.  Maybe they got confused between that and the Stars and Bars?
/sarcasm off

LOL.  Now on radio they are saying in their defense that there was one confedarate flag found in a picture.  But what they conveniently leave out is that it was brought by an antifa group from California to burn at the counter protest which didnt happen.  You cant make this stuff up.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 21, 2020, 06:50:00 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-virginia-gun-rally-police-confederate-flags (https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-virginia-gun-rally-police-confederate-flags)
Virginia sheriff: AOC's claims about gun rights rally 'not worthy of response'

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's comments accusing Second Amendment supporters of "flying Confederate flags" during a peaceful rally in Richmond, Va. on Monday are "not worthy" of a response, Culpeper Country Sheriff Scott Jenkins said Tuesday.
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Appearing on "Fox News @ Night" with host Shannon Bream and former Virginia Republican Congressman Dave Brat, Jenkins disputed Ocasio-Cortez's assertion -- echoing that of the liberal media -- that there were Confederate flags and said the police presence was significant.

"There were hundreds of officers from our state police as well as Capitol police there. To say that there wasn't a strong presence would be wrong," Jenkins told Bream.

"Her comments, I don't even believe they deserve any response at all. They're not worthy of it," he stated.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 21, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/civil-war-ii-gun-control-could-push-virginia-counties-to-join-west-virginia (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/civil-war-ii-gun-control-could-push-virginia-counties-to-join-west-virginia)
Gun control could push Virginia counties to join West Virginia

West Virginia lawmakers are scrambling to let rural Virginia counties join the Mountain State amid conservative voter anger with the new Democratic majority in Richmond and its push for gun control and other liberal initiatives.

In a building fight that echoes the Civil War-era split of the Old Dominion that created West Virginia in 1863, 40 of 100 West Virginia House delegates have signed on to legislation that would accept revolting Virginia counties and towns.
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“We’re starting to get some phone calls from friends on the border who say these folks want to leave,” said West Virginia Del. Gary Howell.

Howell, a Republican, told Secrets that what started off as a long-shot effort “has turned into a real thing.”

He said that Virginia lawmakers and officials along the West Virginia border have cited the Democratic drive for gun control and desire to shift spending to the urban areas near Washington as reasons to leave for West Virginia.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: David in MN on January 22, 2020, 08:23:40 AM
It had to take real stones to do a protest in a Virginia still reeling from the Charlottesville debacle where say what you will about white power groups the city management and police assisted in creating a brawl, not preventing it. It is great to see that all sides were peaceful.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 23, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
Stack it high, Virginians.

https://wset.com/news/local/ammunition-sales-in-va-skyrocket-over-growing-concern-of-gun-control-ammo-shop-says (https://wset.com/news/local/ammunition-sales-in-va-skyrocket-over-growing-concern-of-gun-control-ammo-shop-says)
Ammunition sales in Va. skyrocket over growing concern of gun control, ammo shop says

An online ammunition shop has noticed an upsurge in ammunition sales in Virginia recently.
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The company says that the number of Virginians accessing their website in 2020 has increased by 137 percent as compared to this time period in 2019.
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The company released its sales from 2019 to 2020 for January 1 through January 20:

Arlington - 339%
Ashburn - Up 42%
Charlottesville - 278%
Fredericksburg - 161%
Newport News - 102%
Norfolk - 113%
Richmond - 80%
Roanoke - 155%
Suffolk - 76%
Virginia Beach - 207%
According to AmmunitionToGo.com, Virginia was once one of the company's top 20 markets but it has since skyrocketed to the top five among California and Texas.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: gopack84 on January 23, 2020, 07:36:37 PM
First the 2nd Amendment, then the 1st Amendment. Not surprising to any of us of course...

https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/virginia-democrats-file-bill-to-make-online-criticism-of-elected-officials-a-crime-were-not-kidding/ (https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/virginia-democrats-file-bill-to-make-online-criticism-of-elected-officials-a-crime-were-not-kidding/)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 23, 2020, 07:55:13 PM
First the 2nd Amendment, then the 1st Amendment. Not surprising to any of us of course...

https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/virginia-democrats-file-bill-to-make-online-criticism-of-elected-officials-a-crime-were-not-kidding/ (https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/virginia-democrats-file-bill-to-make-online-criticism-of-elected-officials-a-crime-were-not-kidding/)

The author of that article has mis-read the bill.  The part about online harassment has been the law in Virginia for twenty years.  The new bill only adds a sentence about whch court has jurisdiction.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?001+ful+CHAP0849
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CHAPTER 849
An Act to amend the Code of Virginia by adding in Article 7.1 of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-152.7:1, relating to harassment by computer; penalty.
[H 1524]
Approved April 9, 2000

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 7.1 of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-152.7:1 as follows:

§ 18.2-152.7:1. Harassment by computer; penalty.

If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Full text of the new bill is here: HOUSE BILL NO. 1627 (http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB1627).  Italics indicate the proposed changes to existing law.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 26, 2020, 09:34:51 AM
Must watch.  This is the guy sponsoring the "assault weapon" ban in virginia explaining what an "assault weapon" is.  You cant make this stuff up.

https://youtu.be/DlimCLccxpQ (https://youtu.be/DlimCLccxpQ)
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: armymars on January 26, 2020, 04:28:12 PM
Is he for real.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: David in MN on January 26, 2020, 05:03:23 PM
Never hurts to remind that Carolyn McCarthy thought a barrel shroud is a "shoulder thing that goes up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

They never know.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 28, 2020, 07:28:37 PM
West Virginia is serious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/01/28/west-virginias-governor-virginia-counties-leave-your-blue-state-join-west-virginia/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/01/28/west-virginias-governor-virginia-counties-leave-your-blue-state-join-west-virginia/)
West Virginia’s governor to Virginia counties: Leave your blue state and join West Virginia

As Virginia’s new Democratic majority ushers through a raft of liberal proposals on issues including gun control and abortion, West Virginia’s governor is making an unusual proposal to disgruntled Virginians: Break away.

Gov. Jim Justice (R) on Tuesday endorsed a plan for conservatives unhappy with the new direction of their state legislature to demand ballot referendums in their cities and counties this November, through which they could express their desire for their county to leave Virginia and join West Virginia instead.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 29, 2020, 01:10:28 PM
Influential Democrat Senator now backing away from all firearm and magazine bans and raising legal age for gun ownership.   So those are now essentially off table in Senate.  Good lobbying effort by NRA.

https://shoredailynews.com/headlines/senator-lewis-comments-on-gun-issues/ (https://shoredailynews.com/headlines/senator-lewis-comments-on-gun-issues/)
SENATOR LEWIS COMMENTS ON GUN ISSUES

There is no Senate bill now regarding the banning of assault rifles. The Governor’s bill on this topic was introduced in the House of Delegates and is being carried by Delegate Mark Levine. As I stated publicly before the Session and as was reported in Eastern Shore news media I will not be supporting any type of ban legislation whether on a particular type of firearm or a particular type of magazine.  In addition Senator Howell has proposed SB581 which is very problematic and further highlights the cultural divide in our Commonwealth. That bill has an unintended consequence making it very difficult for our young people between the ages of fourteen and eighteen to have access to firearms for hunting and other purposes. Unless that legislation is amended in some significant way I will not be voting in favor of it. Senator Saslaw put in a bill which would raise the legal age for firearm purchases to twenty-one. As a general philosophical approach to legislation which seeks to increase the age threshold from eighteen to twenty-one I have a problem, since we allow eighteen year olds to vote and in all other respects be treated as adult members of society. I do not believe that we can pick and choose for which things they should be held accountable as adults. We should have had that discussion decades ago when we decided to treat eighteen year olds as full adults. Unless we want to have that larger discussion again, I will resist increasing the age to twenty-one.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on January 31, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
So the coversation is quickly shifting from "keeping" arms to "bearing" them.

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/01/31/virginia-surge-concealed-carry/ (https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/01/31/virginia-surge-concealed-carry/)
Virginia County Sees Surge In Concealed Carry Applications

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam isn’t just selling a lot of guns in Virginia these days. He’s also responsible for the increasing number of Virginians applying to get their concealed carry license as well. Fauquier County, which is in northern Virginia and an exurb of Washington, D.C. fifty miles away, has seen a huge increase in the number of residents applying for their concealed carry license in the past few weeks.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: IKN on February 01, 2020, 04:40:31 AM
I wonder if this has something to do with the proposed legislation that would remove reciprocity with other State concealed carry permits ?
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on February 03, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/02/03/little-good-news-va-gun-owners/ (https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/02/03/little-good-news-va-gun-owners/)
A Little Bit Of Good News For Virginia Gun Owners

We’re a little more than a week away from the crossover deadline in the Virginia legislature, and lawmakers are still hard at work in Richmond trying to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of residents. But as Dave Adams, legislative affairs director for Virginia Shooting Sports Association tells me on today’s Bearing Arms’ Cam & Co., several anti-gun bills were actually set aside or defeated in the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday, and Governor Northam’s proposed gun, magazine, and suppressor ban appears to be in some serious trouble as well.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on February 13, 2020, 03:34:19 PM
https://www.13newsnow.com/mobile/article/news/politics/bill-banning-sale-of-assault-weapons-has-virginia-gun-shop-owners-on-edge/291-30868805-3776-4950-90a9-004f76eb4a46 (https://www.13newsnow.com/mobile/article/news/politics/bill-banning-sale-of-assault-weapons-has-virginia-gun-shop-owners-on-edge/291-30868805-3776-4950-90a9-004f76eb4a46)
Bill banning sale of assault weapons has Virginia gun shop owners on edge

If House Bill 961 is signed into law, the store owner of CE Tactical in Suffolk said 85 percent of his gun stock will have to go.
Title: Re: VA legislature want to ban all paramilitary activity ?
Post by: iam4liberty on February 17, 2020, 08:36:40 AM
Northam's Semi-auto firearm ban and mag confiscation bill shot down for at least a year. 

https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban (https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban)
Virginia lawmakers have rejected assault weapon ban despite Northam's push