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Title: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: agentem on June 30, 2009, 11:30:11 AM
As the proud father of a beautiful two week old girl (she still has that 'new baby' smell), I'm wondering what thoughts some of the parents here have about additional steps a prepper can take to attend to the care of infants and toddlers who are still completely reliant on us for survival.

I'm using reusable diapers and have a food processor so that I don't have to rely on stores, but any insights into how a dad can better prep for his children would be helpful. Jack, if you're listening... potential show idea?
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Louisiana Suvivor on June 30, 2009, 11:41:15 AM
I'm using reusable diapers and have a food processor so that I don't have to rely on stores, but any insights into how a dad can better prep for his children would be helpful. Jack, if you're listening... potential show idea?

not a parent yet but i agree this would be a great show idea!


(she still has that 'new baby' smell),

Congratulations. and LOL!
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: TexDaddy on June 30, 2009, 02:49:29 PM
Congratulations on the new baby!  Father of four boys here.

Having the reusable diapers is great, but a hassle.  You might consider disposables for regular use and keep the reusables ready if needed.  They do make the best multipurpose clothes there are when the baby no longer needs them.  The disposables are too bad in price if bought in bulk at Costco, Sam's, etc.

Mostly, be sure you have your specific baby care items in stock.  Keep plenty of the meds in child/infant doses.  Tylenol is a blessing when they are teething. For you and the child.

Also, have some type of hands free carrier for the baby.  We have used both in front slings and a back pack type rig.  Much easier to carry the baby a long distance and keeps your hands free for whatever.

Love the baby.  This will lead you the right way.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Louisiana Suvivor on June 30, 2009, 03:16:35 PM
hands free sounds good. BOB on ur back. baby on ur front. and you still have ur hands free!
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Herbalpagan on June 30, 2009, 03:49:14 PM
We always kept a compehensive "Baby BOB" with our kids. This is also commonly known as a diaper bag, but they have some good ones that are backpacks now.  As baby grows, this has to be updated monthly, but it's still a very handy item to have...include plenty of gallon sized ziplock baggies, wet wipes and small tubes of baby "goo" (ointments,lotion etc). I also would include one bottle and at least 6 packets of powdered baby formula.  If you plan it right, without much extra effort you could get a 72 hour bag going.
Babies are way too cute, but after having 3 of my own plus two steps, I can say with absolute certainty that structure and consistancy is key. Also, think of the outcome (productive useful citizen with a strong personal honor system and good attitude towards hard work) and start as you mean to go on. All activities are opportunities for education. First silver ware can be a sprok, first backpack can be his own GHB, family info is not to be talked about in any way, pick up after himself (starting at 1 yr old with help), playing outdoors is fun, gardening is wonderful etc...it honestly does make a big difference!
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Louisiana Suvivor on June 30, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
i think i'll call the baby bag the baby bug out bag when i finally have kids. then you can convert ur kids right then. "when they're 3 you tell them your snacks in your Bug Out Bag little Timmy." then it is 2nd nature to them their whole life. I like it!
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: TexDaddy on June 30, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
Amen, to everything Herbalpagan said.

Just to expand.  Even if the baby's mom is nursing her, it is a good idea to have powdered baby formula, along with bottles, nipples, bags, etc.  I suggest at least a case of the large cans.  Stress can lead to a mom losing her milk. In a bug out scenario, stress, especially if an infant is involved, can be high.

If all goes well, and the formula is not used, it can be passed on.

You can look forward to the day you want to hug and choke your child all at the same time. ;D  Seriously, my children are the greatest thing to ever come my way.  There is nothing like it.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: agentem on June 30, 2009, 07:53:11 PM
Wow, thanks everyone. It seems like the diaper bag is key to getting started. We carry it anyways, and my wife has done a wonderful job in stocking it, but daddy just wants to throw a few of his 'just in case' items in there.

Luckily my wife is pretty well on board with everything, but I haven't brought myself to bring up modern survivalism yet... She's perfectly comfortable doing everything 'like our grandparents' (thanks for that one Jack) and she gives me pretty wide berth to prep like a boy scout. Baby preps are a whole new world for me.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Winchester32 on July 01, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
By my 4th child, I was packing a gym bag for a diaper bag!   ;D  I had 4 in 6 years, so they were petty close together.  I broke it down into two bags.  One never left the car, it had changes of clothes, diapers, formula, meds and any possible thing I could think of that I might need.  Then I had a small over the should bag that had basics for stopping at a friends house, or going to church. 

Just a few ideas in regards to the prepping situation.  I think cloth diapers are great, but if you are in a SHTF scenario, where you might have to cut and run, disposables might be better.  They hold more and last longer when wet, and you don't have to worry about where to wash out a cloth one.  Perhaps if you just stored away a couple boxes of cheap diapers (if there is such a thing) for emergencies.

As several others have mentioned, keep baby advil/tylenol handy.  Also ask your pediatrician for a med dosing weight chart.  That way if you are not able to get a hold of your doc, you will know how much medicine to give.  Another important one to remember in my opinion, is benedryl.  You never know if your child will have allergies or an allergic reaction until it happens.  My 5 year old has had several severe reactions over the years, the first at 9 months, that we didn't see coming.  Even now, we never know what might set her off and make her face swell shut!  I keep bottles of benedryl stashed everywhere! 

Also, screw top tubes of ointments, like desitin or A & D ointment, travel better in the car.  They are less likely to leak when they get warm.  I still store them in a ziplock bag, just in case. 

I always kept a bottle of water in my diaper bag, incase I didn't have access to fresh when I need to make a bottle.  As they get older, I added travel size boxes of cheerios and things like that.  They travel well and last for quite a while. 

Many blessing on you and your precious addition.   When my first was born, my biggest joy was just sitting with her across my chest and smelling her hair.  It was the ultimate contentment.  Enjoy every moment.   :)
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: agentem on July 02, 2009, 11:44:49 AM
Thanks Winchester!

We're making a 6 hour haul with her tomorrow and a hotel stay over the weekend so this is a good list to get me going on that. I'll treat it as a little bug out and try to keep notes on what, if anything, we're lacking on the trip.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: 2Caffeinated on July 12, 2009, 08:38:11 PM
Meds is one of the most important things.  There are rumors that the drug companies are going to pull their baby/kid meds off the shelf.  I've actually had our former Dr. tell us that studies have shown that they don't do any good.  Well, apparently they didn't study my kids.  I've had many a potentially sleepless night warded off by Benedryl, Children's Tylenol, and children's ibuprofen.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: cartpusher on July 13, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
Prepping for the kids is also a great way to get the spouse on board.  My wife is tolerant of my prepping, but not totally on board, yet the diaper bag she built is like a  48 hour kit for our two kids.  In addition she has extra clothes, blankets and first aid kits stashed in the car, house and garage.

Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Kwitzats on July 16, 2009, 11:19:12 PM
Invest in a good all terrain stroller now while the kid/s are young if you wait then its hard to justify the expense for bug out purposes. Kid in front bob on back just doesnt seem to work especially after a year old they out grow those things fast and have never been all that comfortable to me. Bugging out on foot with an infant and two adults is a tuff nut throw a toddler in the mix and its darn near impossible without wheels.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: 2Caffeinated on July 17, 2009, 09:39:05 AM
Anyone got thoughts on the benefits and costs (mostly the cost of space) of an all-terrain stroller.  We had a 3 wheel jogger stroller a few years ago, but gave it up due to its inability to fold up compactly.  Any suggestions on a good stroller?  If I had to hike out of an area with my 3 little ones, this would be the #1 item I would take.  You can't go far before kids are complaining about walking "so far".
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Serellan on July 17, 2009, 01:21:41 PM
Anyone got thoughts on the benefits and costs (mostly the cost of space) of an all-terrain stroller.  We had a 3 wheel jogger stroller a few years ago, but gave it up due to its inability to fold up compactly.  Any suggestions on a good stroller?  If I had to hike out of an area with my 3 little ones, this would be the #1 item I would take.  You can't go far before kids are complaining about walking "so far".

Get a bike trailer.  I got one on sale at Fred Meyer for $79.  It is actually more useful as a all terrain stroller than as a bike stroller.  Folds flat.  Push bar removes.  Holds two kids + stuff, or one kid and a whole lot of stuff.  Has rain & sun covers.

I took mine on a 4 mile hike (improved bike trail), we ended up taking off our daypacks and putting in the stroller next to my daughter, and then we alternated pushing.  Worked great.

(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/33_2007/bike-trailer-stroller.jpg)

Plus, if you ever want to, it doubles as a bike trailer for kids or stuff! Of course you aren't going to go extreme BMX'ing with it on the back, but it can't hurt to have a versitile piece of kit like this.  I wish I had bought this in the first place instead of the expensive fancy stroller I got when my daugter was younger.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Kwitzats on July 17, 2009, 08:14:59 PM
Get a bike trailer.  I got one on sale at Fred Meyer for $79.  It is actually more useful as a all terrain stroller than as a bike stroller.  Folds flat.  Push bar removes.  Holds two kids + stuff, or one kid and a whole lot of stuff.  Has rain & sun covers.

I took mine on a 4 mile hike (improved bike trail), we ended up taking off our daypacks and putting in the stroller next to my daughter, and then we alternated pushing.  Worked great.

(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/33_2007/bike-trailer-stroller.jpg)

Plus, if you ever want to, it doubles as a bike trailer for kids or stuff! Of course you aren't going to go extreme BMX'ing with it on the back, but it can't hurt to have a versitile piece of kit like this.  I wish I had bought this in the first place instead of the expensive fancy stroller I got when my daugter was younger.

good call now if you can add a car battery and a portable dvd the kids would be ready for a long haul.I wonder if my 4 year old would still fit?
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: homeshow on July 18, 2009, 05:36:46 AM
in the interest of "even if they don't" we plan on making baby foods from the garden and real home made foods.  my kids will probably get pureed rabbit stew. ;D
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: "Top" W. Kone on July 18, 2009, 08:56:42 AM
Entertainment for the kids. Coloring books, "quite" toys, reading books, etc.

We got stuck on the side of the road in an unexpected ice storm, after about an hour the kids (4 and 1) were bored and fussy. We were warm, dry, and had snacks in the van. We later added an extra copy of their favorite books, a few toys that don't make noise, and coloring books with markers (because leaving crayons in the car...well they melt and make a mess that stains the bags.)

I don't see why that would not apply for any bug out situation.

This would be on top of food, cloths, diapers, meds, etc of course.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 18, 2009, 09:33:26 AM
a few toys that don't make noise

I think that is the most important when picking toys for kids.  Saves mom's (and dad's) sanity.    :o    and you don't have to replace batteries!  ;D
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: phil_in_cs on July 18, 2009, 09:48:32 AM
As the proud father of a beautiful two week old girl (she still has that 'new baby' smell), I'm wondering what thoughts some of the parents here have about additional steps a prepper can take to attend to the care of infants and toddlers who are still completely reliant on us for survival.

I'm using reusable diapers and have a food processor so that I don't have to rely on stores, but any insights into how a dad can better prep for his children would be helpful. Jack, if you're listening... potential show idea?

I washed all the diapers, and it really isn't that big a deal. Especially for now, as long as she's on the breast the diapers don't even smell that bad. Solid foods will change that of course. Babies are almost 'self prepping' as you have to carry so much stuff for them anyway that a bit more is no big deal. The most important thing for prepping for her is one you have little control over, and that is making sure she stays breast fed.

While the idea of expanding your normal diaper bag to a "Baby BOB" sounds fun, the reality is, if you have small children you need to be bugging in rather than bugging out. My daughter is seven and in good shape, but the idea of trying to get her to walk many miles with any sort of load is just crazy. You will be carrying your daughter for years, and while slings like the "over the shoulder baby holder" make it much easier, each pound of her is one less pound of something else you can carry. The off road strollers are a big help, but when you get to a ditch or fallen tree, you will need to unpack it, move the stuff, move the stroller, and repack before you can go on.

Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Artos on July 20, 2009, 05:54:18 AM
I have 4, soon to be 9-20 mo.  We have taken all of them camping from 6 mo old to present.  We get them involved in our gardens and my oldest went on her first squirrel hunt a couple of years ago.

One problem I have run into is locating appropriatly sized camping gear for kids.  Most of the kid sized sleeping bags are crap.  Likewise, kid sized backpacks for the 9-13 crowd provide no support to speak of.  Anybody know any good makers of kid sized quality camping gear?  I know from experience that quality gear and practiced skills make all the difference between a miserable experience and a wonderful one in the woods.

Caveman
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Dene B. on July 26, 2009, 03:16:22 PM
"new baby smell" - I love it!  Enjoy that smell, because when they get to be 9 years old, you'll be begging them to please go shower.. LOL

I'd recommend a book called "Super Baby Food" that had a lot of great information on making your own foods, proper storage, and lots of other great info.   If my kids were still small, I'd want to not only stock pre-packaged baby foods and formulas for short-term needs, but also discover what ingredients go into making formula and baby food in case a disaster situation drug on for a longer period than your reserves could accommodate.   

Enjoy that baby!  They grow up soooo fast!!  :)
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: M1Andy on July 26, 2009, 04:14:39 PM
I got rid of so many things that I am going to go buy for my prepping (can you believe that I got rid of excess candles and a dehydrator before I woke up?!)
Oh well, I am making up for lost time.  One thing that I did not get rid of was the BABY BACKPACK that has an external frame for hiking with your toddler on your back.
and a seat for them to sit it.  My 5 year old is still small so we keep this in the car kit for the possibility of walking somewhere with her.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: 2Caffeinated on July 26, 2009, 07:12:23 PM
I'm thinking about what situations that I would need to have to walk in a BO situation and there aren't many.  I think I'm going to reserve the space in the minivan for more BOBs and not worry about a super, go anywhere stoller.  I do like the bike idea though.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 06, 2009, 04:20:47 PM
I think teaching children to help in the family is a big part.  We went huckleberry picking last week, and I expected my children to help according to their abilities.  dd2 was just expected to be there "helping" as she could (which worked well as long as she hadn't tasted the berries, just put them in the containers.  once she tried one, she ate all the ones she picked  :D) dd5 was expected to pick with us, but no requirements on volume.  ds7 needed 1 cup (but earned more with a bad attitude).   we picked so many huckleberries I could see the bushes when I closed my eyes at night.  but my son is soooo excited to eat the jam we made.  that he helped to make.  he acts like it is going to taste better this year than any other year when he did not have to help.   :D
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: TexDaddy on August 06, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
I think teaching children to help in the family is a big part.  ...  he acts like it is going to taste better this year than any other year when he did not have to help.   :D
Nail on the head, Morning Sunshine. And, at least to him, it will taste better because he helped. ;)
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: libertyzeal on August 09, 2009, 08:16:49 PM
I'm fairly new to prepping, and seeking advice for our family BOB.  As I understand it, a BOB needs to be something portable in case you have to leave your vehicle behind and make it back to your house on foot (at least that's a scenario Jack described in one of his early podcasts).  So I'm definitely interested in having an easy/comfortable way of bringing our two year old with us if we have to hike it out.  I'm debating on buying one of these and keeping it in the car,

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51y%2BoC9do-L._AA280_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/DEUTER-COMFORT-CHILD-CARRIER-PACK/dp/B000PBLGJS/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=IMTW1DF9AI53T&colid=276YM7FJPSTUU (http://www.amazon.com/DEUTER-COMFORT-CHILD-CARRIER-PACK/dp/B000PBLGJS/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=IMTW1DF9AI53T&colid=276YM7FJPSTUU)

What do you guys think, would this do the trick or would I be better off with an off-road stroller setup.

Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: TexDaddy on August 09, 2009, 10:53:24 PM
When our children were small, we had a backpack frame for carrying them. It leaves your hands free and it is harder to be separated from the backpack than a stroller. Of course, if the child is 2, it may not be long before he/she is to heavy. It won't be long before the child can walk quite a ways, just not as fast as an adult. Then you may want some kind of harness set up to prevent separation. My little boys are 8 & 10 now and can carry themselves. I have a rope I can use to make sure we stay together. They have no problem being able to travel any distance I can manage.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: phil_in_cs on August 10, 2009, 07:40:38 AM
I strongly preferred the sling type holder. It keeps the child tucked in close, where you can still keep your balance and use both arms.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: libertyzeal on August 11, 2009, 10:07:02 AM
I strongly preferred the sling type holder. It keeps the child tucked in close, where you can still keep your balance and use both arms.

Could you provide a link or two, I'm not familiar with what a sling type holder looks like...
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: 2Caffeinated on August 13, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
my wife likes the sleepy wrap.  Sleepywrap.com
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: libertyzeal on August 13, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
my wife likes the sleepy wrap.  Sleepywrap.com

Looks okay for an infant, but it probably wouldn't work for a 28 lb toddler.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: cartpusher on August 14, 2009, 10:51:57 AM
Not sure on the brand, but most of these, you can wear a few different ways.  One is usually to hold a toddler in a sitting position near your hip.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: 2Caffeinated on August 19, 2009, 01:06:58 AM
I've seen the sleepywrap work for toddlers, but we prefer the Ergo.  It is designed more like a softpack for hauling small people.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: cartpusher on August 19, 2009, 05:26:56 AM
You may want to look at the Mai Tai brand sling.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: soccer grannie on August 27, 2009, 10:12:23 AM
Good article this week on www.survivalblog.com (http://www.survivalblog.com)  Basic Survival Skills for Children.
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: Hawaii Guy on September 05, 2009, 04:14:52 AM
Congrats on the newborn!

As a father of two a 4 year old and a 9 mos. old I realize the responsability of taking care of my family and yearn to learn more about how to protect them and progress their growth as responsible individuals.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Emergency Prepping and children.
Post by: evilphish on September 05, 2009, 05:30:30 AM
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my wife likes the sleepy wrap.  Sleepywrap.com

you mean i cant just toss them in my alice pack?  ;D

i sent that to my wife, we are trying for our second.