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Title: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 08, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress
We picked up a pair a few weeks ago and I will now need to learn how to pull logs, mow with a sickle mower and use a dump rake with them. I have driven singles before, but not a team. With Z getting the 60 acre (plus 40) farm, there is over half of it in woodlot with tight trees where we would not be able to get a tractor. I need to be able to work the woodlot of 20-70 year old trees. Also the ground is fragile there since it basically is in rainforest. The horses haver many years of experience as logging horses. The horses will pretty much keep us fuel free and they can help produce their own feed, other animal feed, as well as our own food and firewood. We also have riding saddles for them so they can also be entertainment, and we can also possibly do waggon rides with them for income. Since we will have a farming farm open to the public, they could also be an added attraction to bring people. Since that is also in elk country, they can be used for packing.

Gardening — Crash course in Silviculture - In Progress
Managing, using, conserving, and repairing forestland. There was not an option for forestry or silvaculture, so I opted that it is REALLY a LARGE gardening project. I don't know alot about woodland management and with at least 60 acres out of 100, I need to learn this to keep the forest healthy for us, for wildlife and the ecosystem. This is something I can easily learn from the local college. I like learning new things. I need to walk with a timber cruiser and see what s/he has to say. There is lots of flora and fauna on this land and I want to make sure I don't mess up anyone's home, whether it is a mushroom or an elk. Income, firewood, lumber, wildlife refuge, added value for other ag products.

Carpentry — In Progress
House building With the new house being built over the footprint of the old one, there is going to be alot of steps I have not participated in before. Although I can swing a hammer and use a saw, I have not built that many things and I am excited to be able to help on this project. At the minimum will help me when I build other buildings such as the outhouse, poultry breedings pens, the cow stanchions and more.

Beer Making — In Progress
Make beer because Z has all the equipment and I got him hops from a interview I did for the newspaper. Even though I HATE beer. I was raised on a vineyard in Oregon when 'they' said winegrapes could not be done here. Dad had about #11 vineyard in Oregon, and now there are over 500. I used to play out in the winery with him, dabbled a bit in distilling (not for 'shine, although when I was in West Virginia I saw the copper stills there) and I like the science of making these types of things. Security through food for the family??? Fun to see if I can pull it off?

Animal Husbandry — A.I.ing Hogs - In Progress
Put my class from a few weeks ago to good use and start AIing livestock, so I get better at it. Not only do I do conservation with heritage vegetables and fruit trees, but I also do with animals. Most of the livestock I raise many people have not heard of, let alone seen. So the gene pools in areas tend to be close and I need to go 'out' to keep them from getting too inbred. Some of the cattle genes I want to bring in from Scotland as frozen semen. Some of the hog genes I need to bring in from the mid-west. The area the farm is in, creates some challenges with livestock and how we want to raise them. If the farm had been elsewhere, I likely would have chosen other breeds to raise there. But with the way and where the farm is, these are the breeds I selected. 10,000 varieties of heritage vegetables go extinct each year and so do 60 breeds of heritage livestock. I would like to help prevent this from happening to our heritage or at least slow it down enough maybe more people can have the opportunity to find out about them and start raising them too. I was a vet tech for 22 years for large, small animals and worked on a conservation zoo for endangered wildlife which most no longer existed outside zoos. We did embryo transfers and such and I became interested in that. I do not believe in some types of AI, such as the un-naturally broad breasted turkeys which cannot naturally reproduce, but to bring in semen from distantly related or not-at-all-related to produce offspring, I do not have an issue with. I can also hire out as a AI tech if I wanted so that is profit, keeping us from having to keep a male of a certain species which can take up room, feed and could be dangerous (like a Jersey bull) for only using him limited times a year (like 1-2 in some of our cases). We should be breeding our sow in January/February.

Weaving — In Progress
Perhaps set up my floor loom finally by the end of the year. You know, I have carted that darn thing which is the size of a pickup bed around to four houses and two countries and I have not set it up yet. Now I have two of them. Hopefully soon I will have a 600 sf log cabin to use as my teaching space and office and I will no longer have an excuse in leaving it in pieces. I even have a willing victim friend who is awesome weaver (she has 8 looms) who has volunteered to help me warp it. It is for education, income, teaching, and being able to make clothes for me and my family if I want to. I think it has a 58" reed in it.

Alternative Energy — Planned
Hydro power (pelton wheel) since we will probably have a good source for that at least 9 months of the year. I am not sure we can do this, but there is a strong creek coming down the hillside to the river. It would be awesome if we could put a power generator on a diversion or something even if we create some of our own power for 9 months of the year, since although the creek runs 12 months of the year, with the 3 months of rain we don't get in the summer, the previous owner state it will get enough flow, although it also is spring sourced. I have always been interested in alternative power through my father (who was an industrial electrician) in the 1970's and I would like to know if it can be done, how to set it up and how to keep it running. If we can, we can have some (plus) self security for producing our own power. I have really been interested in Pelton Wheels since I saw a working one deep in the mountains not far from here, where it has been working since the 1860's, giving electricity way away from towns when many of those towns at the time lacked it. I always like the ... "Can it be done?" theme.

Food Storage — Spring House - Planned
Spring House on same water source as above. It so looks like there is a foundation for one on the creekline at a natural spot not too far from the heritage house. Until 1970, they used the creek and finally a hand pump next to the lilac bush for water. I would like to restore a springhouse if there had one previously to preserve the ambience of the century old farm (again, working/teaching farm open to the public) and teach people about them, but they are also practical for me to store extra produce from the garden, extra milk/butter from the cow. I have been in spring houses before and if the electric does go out, they are just about as good as a refrigerator. Not to mention pretty nice to hang out in on a hot day.

Communication — Ham radio license - Planned
My grandfather had his ham license and I remember his shack in the basement along with lots of scary looking electronic tubes nearly as large as I was. I have his ham logs and some of his other stuff. MINUS the radios themselves. I used to have a rig in my kitchen for a few years, not knowing it was a ham radio and yes I used to talk on it. But now I would like to take my classes to get licensed and learn what I am doing and how to repair and all that stuff. I want it for various reasons going from nostalgia of what my grandfather did. I saw what ham radio did for us when I was in SAR. I see this one as security and communications when there might not be any other means. It might even be fun.

Water Catchment/Filtering — Planned
Crash course for watershed management, erosion control. (There was no 'right' catagory for this one either). Again, wanting to preserve the ecology of the place and with water running downhill to the creeks, rivers, wetland I want to make sure any farming activities I do there, do not create washouts, mud into the creek/river. Make sure I am not going to dry up the wetlands if I clear some brush uphill/east side from it and always keep in mind any changes I do can mess up native plants/animals.

Bio Fuel — Planned
Possibly making biodiesel for Z's truck This one might be nixed now since his truck half died. However, when it gets towed to the garage at the farm, I will be tearing it down to see if we can fix it. I used to work on lots of quarter mile cars for the racetrack, but never diesels which were not semi trucks. So it will be a bit of a new thing for me. I have had an interest in biodiesel and would like to try it even small scale to see how it is done.

Electronics — Planned
Learn basic electronics, like build a radio from scrap like they did in WWI. This goes back to my 2012 New Years Resolution for learning electronics. My brother built a small radio when he was in 4-5th grade and I remember it working quite well. I know during WWI they used scraps off the Jeeps to make radios for the trenches. It fascinates me that something so useful can be made out of so little. I would like to know the knowledge on how to make one. So for entertainment, learning and one day could be security.

Education — Economics - Planned
Learn basic economics better than I have a grasp on now. I fear that what I know, I really don't know, so I think I really ought to know what it is all about. I think in a way I am afraid of knowing, which is why I am forcing myself to know it.... you know?

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 08, 2013, 11:56:56 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

Two months ago we went to go look at a team of Clydesdales for me to go 'test drive' (don't look at the lines, I am not holding them correctly. The horse was on voice command and the lines were apparently too short and I did not want to be right at his rump since I did not know him and end up with draft horse feet in my face). We ended up buying them. The older horse "Cody" drives wonderfully and was so happy to work. "Whiskers" was like "Umm.. I have been on vacation for three years and you want me to put on a collar?" But he did decide to work for me. My plan is that normally when you get them hitched together, one talks the other one into working too. I hope "Whiskers" goes along with the plan. We had not closed on the farm yet, so the lady we bought them from, agreed to hold them for us until the farm closed. We were pretty sure that by buying extremely large animals we jinxed ourselves. But we didn't.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/draftHorse10212012f.jpg)
"Cody" & Cedar

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/draftHorse10212012e.jpg)
"Whiskers"

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/DraftHorse10212012d.jpg)
"Cody" & Cedar thanking him for driving so nicely


That was the last we saw of them until last Sunday when a friend trucked them 4 hours for us to the new farm. The horses seemed to like their new home. We let them settle for a bit and then we tacked up "Whiskers" into a draft horse sized western saddle to see if he could be ridden as well as driven. We discovered he is green broke and would put up with a green rider.

We do not have work collars for them yet as the collar has to be sized right for each horse. Nelson said he would bring some for us to test fit on them to see what size they were so we can order or locate some. However, we have alot of practice to do before we can even drive them, such as putting a singletree on a post and 'driving it', so we can keep our hands even and such... (and fix the wonky lines). Been reading THE guru draft horse expert author Lynn R. Miller also from Oregon. Z ordered about 5 of his books. And I have been slowly getting to read through them.

Contacted a farrier who will deal with draft horse feet and get them all trimmed up on Saturday and deal with the quarter crack in "Whiskers" front right foot before it gets any worse.

Basically this week we are just introducing ourselves to these gentle giants and gaining some trust from them and getting acquainted to working with them and how they react to things. I have been squashed and broken by horses before which were much smaller than these guys.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 09, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
Water Catchment/Filtering — Planned
Crash course for watershed management, erosion control. Again, wanting to preserve the ecology of the place and with water running downhill to the creeks, rivers, wetland I want to make sure any farming activities I do there, do not create washouts, mud into the creek/river. Make sure I am not going to dry up the wetlands if I clear some brush uphill/east side from it and always keep in mind any changes I do can mess up native plants/animals.

It has been raining alot there, so I am finding the different paths that the water is taking to get to the creek, the river and where it is pooling up at. SweetPea and I checked out the spring house today on the other section to see what was in the house, how the water got to the house, where the source of the spring was and where it went downhill from the building.

Found a winter creek and how the main creek has the remains of an old dam on it. Talked to the former owners two days ago and asked if there had been a springhouse on it for cooling foods and they said there had not been and that was a great idea and they should have done that. (They are in their 80's and 90's and were born on the place). So they answered a couple of my questions and I resolved to indeed make a springhouse here too.

Cedar

Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 09, 2013, 12:09:57 AM
Animal Husbandry — A.I.ing Hogs - In Progress

We took an all day class at Oregon State University in Swine Reproduction and AI-ing. Our teachers were Swine Breeding Specialist Dr. Tim Safranski with the University of Missouri (who was the one who mainly taught the class) along with Gene Pirelli, an Oregon State University professor and the district extension specialist for livestock and forage. We got to do hands on necropsies of the reproduction tracts and got to do hands on AI-ing.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on January 09, 2013, 12:10:13 AM
wow.. i had an answer that you know everything, but you are learning some new useful skills! good job Cedar! Those horses are huge!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Nicodemus on January 09, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
Those Clydesdales are incredible!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: rikkrack on January 09, 2013, 06:53:42 AM
Again, don't you sleep? Nice progress!

 I guess I need to post what I have been doing now too.

Again, inspired me.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Krystel81 on January 11, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
Can't wait to see your progress with your team and AI. I always though that AI was a good skill to have if you ever breed large animals. :)
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 11, 2013, 05:27:59 PM
I always though that AI was a good skill to have if you ever breed large animals. :)

It is and it isn't. Your ratio of getting females bred is down compared to 'pasture bred' as it can be dicey getting her bred at the optimal time. But with the heritage breeds I tend to have, it is nigh near impossible to get unrelated animals. Like with our hogs, we will probably have to bring in semen from the midwest and for cattle possibly from the NE USA or Scotland.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 11, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Electronics — Planned
Learn basic electronics, like build a radio from scrap like they did in WWI. This goes back to my 2012 New Years Resolution for learning electronics. My brother built a small radio when he was in 4-5th grade and I remember it working quite well. I know during WWI they used scraps off the Jeeps to make radios for the trenches. It fascinates me that something so useful can be made out of so little. I would like to know the knowledge on how to make one. So for entertainment, learning and one day could be security.



(http://ambassadorenergynorthtexas.com/files/2012/01/light.jpeg)

While we were moving "Z", I came across alot of his solar yard lights which had cracked globes and such. So SweetPea and I picked them up. I am going to sidetrack a bit on my main goal and tear these down to use the solar cells with "Z's" blessing, saving the rechargable batteries and other bits and pieces that I can out of them. I think we collected about 12 of them and alot of them still seem to work. I have a few ideas on what to do with one or two of them already. I figure this works for the electronic learning too and maybe teach me something for my larger project.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: cheryl1 on January 12, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
There is a Clydesdale breeder in my area. We often stop by the side of the road to watch them running in the fields. Beautiful animal!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 13, 2013, 09:18:46 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

Today we were mostly doing other things in the 20F weather like cutting trails and firewood, hauling 2 ton of wheat straw for the animal bedding and my oyster mushrooms. But we work with the horse every day and the new rule is... you get no sweet feed until you stick your head into the halter. We have to do this anyway as we have to separate "Whiskers" from 'Cody" as "Whiskers" is a hoover vacuum leaving "Cody" very little.

When the farrier was here yesterday, we noted that "Whiskers" does not have ground manners up to my standards, so we are working with him more, but "Cody" as well. My theory always has been "The bigger you are, the better you better behave". Even my cattle used to pick up their feet on command. "Whiskers", not so much. "Cody" even without a halter will pick his feet up in the field for you and anticipate each one as you move to it, but we need to work on other things with him. They do seem respectful of where your body is however, which is a good thing since they weigh about 1,800 pounds each.

My goals for the next two weeks:

"Whiskers"

"Cody"

They are both coming when called now in this last week. I have never used catch grain per se to catch any of my horses, but I teach them to come to me, put their head in a halter, then they get lead out of the field and then fed. Usually within 2 weeks, they come cantering to me when they see a halter as something yummy is probably in the works.

I was a bit nervous about "Cody's" back feet as the former owner told me he was touchy with them and he was a bit sketchy when I was checking him out prior to purchase, but after washing them off in the garden hose yesterday, I found that he would willingly pick them up for me. The new rule with "Whiskers" is that he gets a bit of grain after he picks up each foot for me while he is in halter (and "Cody" gets to eat in peace).

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 19, 2013, 07:23:02 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

The rule for all of my horses over the years, is you get called from the pasture, you stick your head into a halter and THEN and only then you get to eat your grain. The boys have learned this lesson pretty well, the piglet "Whiskers" is super easy to catch now and "Cody" still is like "SERIOUSLY?". Yes, seriously "Cody". But he is 4x easier to catch than before. I think another week and he will be easy to catch on the first try.

"Cody" is taller than "Whiskers" so I usually let Z catch him up and I have been working on getting "Whiskers" to lower his head for me when I put the halter on and off. I put pressure right behind his poll and then he moves his head away from it, downward. If he lifts his head up, I can't even reach his chin. So he is learning what "Lower your head please" means.

While they are eating their grain, we make them pick up their feet. "Cody" is still awesome on all 4 feet, but "Whiskers" plants them solid. Yesterday and today I got him to pick up his front feet in trade for a honey pretzel reward. It is forward progress.

This morning a person from TSP runs draft horses and invited me to be his 'helper' at an Ag event in April. So even if I don't get any hands on time with the team, I will be taking lots of mental notes on harnessing, working and driving them.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: LvsChant on January 19, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
amazing list... amazing progress Cedar!
Title: Picking up feet
Post by: rmoeggy on January 20, 2013, 09:10:02 AM
One of my 2200lb. percheron didn't like to pick up his feet for me so we had to work on it. I also practiced when he was having his grain. I would run my hand down his leg to the hoof which is my cue that it is time to clean his hoof. They move slowly so this gives them time to shift their weight and prepare. When I get to the hoof I say "foot!" and give them another second to process and pick it up. If they do not I poke the back of the foot just above the hoof with the hoof pick. Always start with the smallest amount of pressure. You want the horse to respond to your asking them to do something. If that doesn't work, I apply pressure and make it uncomfortable to do the wrong thing. When they do what I want I release the pressure and praise them. If your horses are prone to kicking at all be very careful. Now my boys are so good at picking up their feet I can't get them to leave them on the ground when I am brushing their legs!
Title: Re: Picking up feet
Post by: Cedar on January 20, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
Now my boys are so good at picking up their feet I can't get them to leave them on the ground when I am brushing their legs!

This is what "Cody" does. He anticipates and lifts before you say "Foot". I swear "Whiskers" shifts his weight onto his foot. I pull up on his feathers at the hoofline and sometimes this works. I will start taking the pick down with me when I go to feed.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 21, 2013, 08:59:23 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

I am pleased as punch tonight. I got "Whiskers" to pick up all 4 feet today. Without treats and without a hoofpick as an incentive.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 21, 2013, 09:12:25 PM
Gardening — Crash course in Silviculture - In Progress
Managing, using, conserving, and repairing forestland. I don't know alot about woodland management and with at least 60 acres out of 100, I need to learn this to keep the forest healthy for us, for wildlife and the ecosystem.

We met with Petr (he has a odd sounding name and I think this is how he spells it) yesterday afternoon to talk about our forests and what he has been doing for them for the former family and what we envision it in time for us. Petr has been cutting and thinning, but he is not really a silvaculture guy. We do not want to fall any of these 100+feet tall trees so we are working on shares at the moment as a deal. He has been thinning and then getting all the firewood which then he sells as agreed from the former owners who wanted the woodlot managed, but they did not burn any. He is pretty knowledgeable however and was happy to know we have logging horses.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 22, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

Not only did "Whiskers" pick up all 4 feet today (you guys do realize his feet are the size of pie plates?), but he anticipated on 2 of them and shifted his weight over and picked his feet up!! Woo Hoo!

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: viking on January 26, 2013, 06:25:52 AM
Great pics, When do you sleep?
Its amazing all the stuff you do.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 26, 2013, 09:28:52 AM
Great pics, When do you sleep?
Its amazing all the stuff you do.

Contrary to belief around here, I usually get 7 hours a day of sleep and if I am tired, sometimes I even get a nap in the afternoon. Like yesterday I got a 1 hour nap around 1 p.m. with one ear open listening for my 3 year old. When I write(work) I work from 9p.m. to 2-3 a.m. and back up at 7-8 a.m.

It is just part of my day and I am not even really busy yet. Like soon I will be scrubbing acres of Scotch Broom off 100 acres and I figure that will be a 5-8 hour day for a few weeks. Building permanent fence.

I don't tend to watch TV. I don't go out. But I still do get to have fun even if it is working.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Hootie on January 26, 2013, 05:01:14 PM

Water Catchment/Filtering — Planned
Crash course for watershed management, erosion control. (There was no 'right' catagory for this one either). Again, wanting to preserve the ecology of the place and with water running downhill to the creeks, rivers, wetland I want to make sure any farming activities I do there, do not create washouts, mud into the creek/river. Make sure I am not going to dry up the wetlands if I clear some brush uphill/east side from it and always keep in mind any changes I do can mess up native plants/animals.

I know it is still cold and frozen in the north, but let me know you start this.
Been troubleshooting on how to capture water in a 55gal containers. might be too small scale for what you have planned. http://gardenrainbarrel.blogspot.com/ (http://gardenrainbarrel.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 27, 2013, 09:16:26 AM
I know it is still cold and frozen in the north, but let me know you start this.
Been troubleshooting on how to capture water in a 55gal containers. might be too small scale for what you have planned. http://gardenrainbarrel.blogspot.com/ (http://gardenrainbarrel.blogspot.com/)

Was only frozen for a week, now we are back to rain and mud. When they refilled from pouring the basement, there is a 'duck pond' where it should not be and we are using the D-4 when it dries out a bit (which could be months from now), so get the water to start flowing down the hill to the pasture and river. But that is not my main intent for watershed management, erosion control, but just a little 'side job'. But yes.. will keep you posted.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on February 13, 2013, 12:13:41 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

Improvements:

"Whiskers"

    Standing without pawing the ground [ ] (Getting worse actually)
    Ground tying [ ]
    Standing quietly when tied [ ]
    Come when called [X]
    Picking up his feet when asked [X ]
    Lower his head into the halter [X] Perfect gentleman now.


"Cody"

    Ground tying [ ]
    Come when called [X] Both the horses come trotting up to us when whistled to now from the bottom pasture.
    Lower his head into the halter [X ]


They also both hate worming and had to snub them tight to a tree with their heads low so I could reach, so I saved a paste syringe back and am filling it with strawberry jam to give to them. They are liking this.

Have not gotten collars ordered yet, soon friends are coming with their horse work collars to try them out for size. We both parties have been busy and swamped to meet up yet.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on May 02, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

I have not been able to get much done on my 13Skills recently in managing and building the farm,which has been a 14-16 hour job 7 days a week and caring for my 3 year old who is an awesome trooper.

However, I got my 'driver's permit' last Sunday. One of our wonderful TSPers here at the forum owns a draft horse team and was doing an event last Sunday. Months ago he invited me to come help him at the event and learn how to hitch and watch the team work.

I was talking to our TSP member (he might pipe up and say who he is if he sees this post) in email about hitching two horses up together a few months ago. I have driven singles, but after looking at our harnesses I was mystified as how to hook the two horses together. So I went and was excited to learn.

My fellow Oregonian invited me to come to AgFest 2013 and help with his draft team and learn more about working draft horses. I have been a bit mystified as how to hitch two together and I am usually quite good at puzzles. Again, I have driven singles, but never a team (a bit more about the mystification in a moment). I wanted to learn for our draft horse team and their harnesses so everyone was happy and safe.

So I arrive at the Oregon State Fairgrounds to meet "r" and get a chance to work with a draft horse team giving rides to a couple hundred people over the course of the day. The morning started out with giving the horses a bath. They have white/grey coats, so after rolling in the arena the night before, a bath was in order. The pair is named "Dan" and "Saucer" who are a pair of Percherons in their early 20's. They have been carriage horses all their lives, not logging horses like ours.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013d.jpg)

"Dan" who is the horse in the photo getting a bath, loves to play in the water with his lips. Sometimes he will splash the bather back too. After their bath I got to walk them back to their area and brush out their manes and tails. I am almost too short to get their forelock. Thankfully they both lowered their heads for me to a bit to be accomadating. They are really gentle giants.

The Percheron is a breed of draft horse that originated in the Huisne river valley in northern France, part of the former Perche province from which the breed takes its name. Usually grey or black in color, Percherons are well-muscled, and known for their intelligence and willingness to work. Although their exact origins are unknown, the ancestors of the breed were present in the valley by the 17th century. They were originally for use as war horses. Over time, they began to be used for pulling stage coaches and later for agriculture and hauling heavy goods. (The breed I have at home are Clydesdales).

Then after waiting until the appointed time, we got the boys harnessed up. It did not take long. Less than 10 minutes per horse. I learned the finer points of how to store a harness, how to hook it when not being used so it is easy to put back on after use, the parts, how to put it on a horse. For instance when we put the collars on our horses, we unbuckled it, but you can turn a collar upside down to slip it over the horses head. I also found out about the "Y" on the driving lines and why one is shorter and how to hook the lines through the ring between the horses.

Also found out why I was mystified on hooking them together. I forgot the actual name of this piece of harness, but it attaches to the yoke, but I am pretty sure our harnesses are lacking them. I will go double check when I get a chance to go to where we store our harnesses at the farm. So if the "Yoke Straps" are not there, I was not completely losing my mind after all. I asked Z when I showed him this photo and he does not think there are any of these 'yoke straps' attached to the harnesses either.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013e.jpg)
This is the part I seem not to have on my harnesses and why I could not figure out how to hook them up together.

Then it was time to hitch up. "r" took the wagon to the horses, VS the horses to the wagon. Depending on the circumstances, it can be a bit easier. The wagon holds about 20-21 people and we took a couple hundred people around, some of which this was their first experience with farm animals, let alone interacting with one like this. About three kids got to sit up on the front bench seat with us on each trip. I sat up next to "r" to learn how to work them and I think maybe I did not ask him as many questions as he was thinking I would, but I was absorbing almost everything he was telling me in.

We had a route that went about 20 minutes from loading people up to the place we unloaded them. The route usually took us under a large metal sculpture. It did not even phase the boys a bit, but neither did the steam engine whistle. They are pretty unflappable. I was perfectly comfortable working in close proximity to them or right between them when hooking them up, even if I did not know them well. I am not usually like that with animals I do not know.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013f.jpg)

We stopped them a few times and gave them water and then lunch. "Saucer" did not usually drink very much. "r" warned me "Dan" might splash me, being the water loving guy he is, but he was a gentleman and refrained.

I was able to drive them twice today. On the way to give them a break at lunch and then again when we were done for the day. The first time I did not grab forward enough on the lines (if you don't, you have no extra room for pulling back) and then I cut a corner a bit close (due to having too much line out, but glad I did not wipe anything or anyone out). You really do have to grab out alot further on the lines (the proper name for these long reins) than you think to keep good contact with the horses mouths. When the horses are moving, you need to keep some pressure on them or they will break into a fast trot. It is pretty fine to be flying along with them, but not when there hundreds of people in your way. I like that the lines feel alive in your hands and you have 2,200 pounds of horse connected to you through the same. "r" said they probably wouldn't listen to me as they are used to him driving, so he called out the commands, such as "Come Gee", "Yup, Yup, Yup", etc, but I still did, as it is habit I guess, from working with various animals and my sled dogs. Felt weird not to.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013b.jpg)
Me, just getting the lines ready to move off

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013c.jpg)
OMG, I am actually driving!! In public yet!

After getting them unharnessed (and I got to learn more by unharnessing), letting them eat hay, drink water and roll in the dirt it was time to part ways.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013g.jpg)

I had a wonderful learning experience and I thank 'r' so very much for this opportunity and entrusting his partners to me.

Cedar

Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: LvsChant on May 31, 2013, 07:29:01 AM
Love those photos, Cedar! That sounds like a wonderful day.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on June 21, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
Yeah, yeah. I have been slacking on my 13.

Food Storage — Spring House - Planned
Spring House on our creek which the former owners said had never gone dry in 100 years. It so looks like there is a foundation for one on the creekline at a natural spot not too far from the heritage house, but the 'kids' did not remember. Until 1970, they used the creek and finally a hand pump next to the lilac bush for house water. The children (who are now in their 90's and born on the place) of the original homesteaders said they used it for the garden too.

It re-started when I went to my friend Brenda's house yesterday and she showed me the water system on their creek that her grandfather designed and put in on their century farm which is about the same vintage as ours.

I would like to restore a springhouse if there had one previously to preserve the ambience of the century old farm (again, working/teaching farm open to the public) and teach people about them, but they are also practical for me to store extra produce from the garden, extra milk/butter from the cow. I have been in spring houses before and if the electric does go out, they are just about as good as a refrigerator. Not to mention pretty nice to hang out in on a hot day.


I knew we had a dam on our creek at one time even though it is a little rough. I figured that it was built sometime in the 1970's as it is pretty trashed. Yesterday I had a bit of time since it was pouring after I got home from gleaners, and SP was driving me crazy as a 3 yr old can, so I was not getting anything productive done anyway. So I decided to search for the rumored water rights attached to the farm. Guess what I found. Yep, they exist for this farm and they are NOT cancelled and still current.

We have priority water rights. It was filed in the early 1930's. That means the 4 other farms in the area (and not even on our stream) filed after the original homesteader did, so we will have priority and it says so on the certificate. I also found out that our creek is unnamed. Which is good, since we named it the other day for ourselves. The dam was actually built in the early 1930's, so no wonder it looks a bit rough. It is still there, just needs a bit of TLC. And since it lasted so many years (almost 80) we are thinking that was a good design and will refab it. Back in the day it cost $162.00 to build the dam. What is also awesome about the record of it, is that it tells how it was constructed and how many feet of pipe used. That the dam was 10 feet wide at the top, 8' at the bottom and that the gateway was a 6x8" notch out of a wooden plank. And that it also has 50" of head.

Now I will start pulling out my books of springhouse designs and maybe get it started before fall while the waters are lower and we have heavy equipment here to help us out.

Cedar


Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on June 21, 2013, 03:29:33 PM
wow nice find Cedar...
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on June 21, 2013, 04:52:03 PM
Yeah.. S-C-O-R-E!!!!

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: rikkrack on June 21, 2013, 05:55:01 PM
Need to research this as never heard of it before. May prove benificial down the road
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on June 21, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
Need to research this as never heard of it before. May prove benificial down the road

Which? Water rights or a Spring House?

On the farm here, there was a tiny little rumour that there was Water Rights. Which are worth gold if you have them. If you have grandfathered ones, they are Platinum. ONE reality agency had it listed with water rights for about half a day, but I remembered seeing it before it disappeared when all the rest did not mention it at all and when we asked our realtor he said he did not know. I left it at that for then, suspecting I could find it later if there was one with less kafuffles. Although I thought it would take alot more to find it than a couple of hours on the net. I thought for sure it would take a few trips to the county or state offices and the Water Master at the minimum.

Each state has different laws. I was vaguely aware of mine in Oregon as alot of my friends growing up were on century farms of the same era and kinda where to start looking. I also knew the farm was old enough that someone long ago probably did file for water rights as it was 'all the rage' then (if you will).

You will need your Township, Range and Section for a start and the probable original person's name who you suspect filed claim on the water. And in my case I had to wade through alot of old old old grainy certificates and maps. I knew the lay of the land here, not quite as well as the back of my hand, but a working knowledge and BINGO.. found it. I was grinning like a Cheshire cat.

On the Spring House, there are different ways to do it, from a seep to a running stream. I will be working with a running stream and a partial diversion from the dam for about 8-10 feet? I have to go with what was permitted for back in the 1930's. It is permitted for 200' of diversion. But like I said, the system worked for almost 80 years, so I like tried and true.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on June 22, 2013, 10:57:32 AM
Food Storage — Spring House - In Progress

I actually went to bed early last night, but I found this awesome vid by engineer775 about developing raw springs before I slept and I watched it this morning. There are several parts, but this part is giving me good ideas for the springhouse and I think I can make these parts from things I pretty much already have here, spare stuff left over from the farmhouse dismanteling and rebuilding. I am also going to the library today to pick up a book I own, but have stuck away in storage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxdAesHk9M

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: rmoeggy on June 22, 2013, 04:32:40 PM
I hadn't checked your 13 since you worked with me. This is awesome! I am glad you had fun and I hope you have been able to put your new knowledge to work for you. If anyone is interested in seeing more of what I do you can go to www.CowboyCarriage.us

Ryan

Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - In Progress

I have not been able to get much done on my 13Skills recently in managing and building the farm,which has been a 14-16 hour job 7 days a week and caring for my 3 year old who is an awesome trooper.

However, I got my 'driver's permit' last Sunday. One of our wonderful TSPers here at the forum owns a draft horse team and was doing an event last Sunday. Months ago he invited me to come help him at the event and learn how to hitch and watch the team work.

I was talking to our TSP member (he might pipe up and say who he is if he sees this post) in email about hitching two horses up together a few months ago. I have driven singles, but after looking at our harnesses I was mystified as how to hook the two horses together. So I went and was excited to learn.

My fellow Oregonian invited me to come to AgFest 2013 and help with his draft team and learn more about working draft horses. I have been a bit mystified as how to hitch two together and I am usually quite good at puzzles. Again, I have driven singles, but never a team (a bit more about the mystification in a moment). I wanted to learn for our draft horse team and their harnesses so everyone was happy and safe.

So I arrive at the Oregon State Fairgrounds to meet "r" and get a chance to work with a draft horse team giving rides to a couple hundred people over the course of the day. The morning started out with giving the horses a bath. They have white/grey coats, so after rolling in the arena the night before, a bath was in order. The pair is named "Dan" and "Saucer" who are a pair of Percherons in their early 20's. They have been carriage horses all their lives, not logging horses like ours.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013d.jpg)

"Dan" who is the horse in the photo getting a bath, loves to play in the water with his lips. Sometimes he will splash the bather back too. After their bath I got to walk them back to their area and brush out their manes and tails. I am almost too short to get their forelock. Thankfully they both lowered their heads for me to a bit to be accomadating. They are really gentle giants.

The Percheron is a breed of draft horse that originated in the Huisne river valley in northern France, part of the former Perche province from which the breed takes its name. Usually grey or black in color, Percherons are well-muscled, and known for their intelligence and willingness to work. Although their exact origins are unknown, the ancestors of the breed were present in the valley by the 17th century. They were originally for use as war horses. Over time, they began to be used for pulling stage coaches and later for agriculture and hauling heavy goods. (The breed I have at home are Clydesdales).

Then after waiting until the appointed time, we got the boys harnessed up. It did not take long. Less than 10 minutes per horse. I learned the finer points of how to store a harness, how to hook it when not being used so it is easy to put back on after use, the parts, how to put it on a horse. For instance when we put the collars on our horses, we unbuckled it, but you can turn a collar upside down to slip it over the horses head. I also found out about the "Y" on the driving lines and why one is shorter and how to hook the lines through the ring between the horses.

Also found out why I was mystified on hooking them together. I forgot the actual name of this piece of harness, but it attaches to the yoke, but I am pretty sure our harnesses are lacking them. I will go double check when I get a chance to go to where we store our harnesses at the farm. So if the "Yoke Straps" are not there, I was not completely losing my mind after all. I asked Z when I showed him this photo and he does not think there are any of these 'yoke straps' attached to the harnesses either.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013e.jpg)
This is the part I seem not to have on my harnesses and why I could not figure out how to hook them up together.

Then it was time to hitch up. "r" took the wagon to the horses, VS the horses to the wagon. Depending on the circumstances, it can be a bit easier. The wagon holds about 20-21 people and we took a couple hundred people around, some of which this was their first experience with farm animals, let alone interacting with one like this. About three kids got to sit up on the front bench seat with us on each trip. I sat up next to "r" to learn how to work them and I think maybe I did not ask him as many questions as he was thinking I would, but I was absorbing almost everything he was telling me in.

We had a route that went about 20 minutes from loading people up to the place we unloaded them. The route usually took us under a large metal sculpture. It did not even phase the boys a bit, but neither did the steam engine whistle. They are pretty unflappable. I was perfectly comfortable working in close proximity to them or right between them when hooking them up, even if I did not know them well. I am not usually like that with animals I do not know.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013f.jpg)

We stopped them a few times and gave them water and then lunch. "Saucer" did not usually drink very much. "r" warned me "Dan" might splash me, being the water loving guy he is, but he was a gentleman and refrained.

I was able to drive them twice today. On the way to give them a break at lunch and then again when we were done for the day. The first time I did not grab forward enough on the lines (if you don't, you have no extra room for pulling back) and then I cut a corner a bit close (due to having too much line out, but glad I did not wipe anything or anyone out). You really do have to grab out alot further on the lines (the proper name for these long reins) than you think to keep good contact with the horses mouths. When the horses are moving, you need to keep some pressure on them or they will break into a fast trot. It is pretty fine to be flying along with them, but not when there hundreds of people in your way. I like that the lines feel alive in your hands and you have 2,200 pounds of horse connected to you through the same. "r" said they probably wouldn't listen to me as they are used to him driving, so he called out the commands, such as "Come Gee", "Yup, Yup, Yup", etc, but I still did, as it is habit I guess, from working with various animals and my sled dogs. Felt weird not to.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013b.jpg)
Me, just getting the lines ready to move off

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013c.jpg)
OMG, I am actually driving!! In public yet!

After getting them unharnessed (and I got to learn more by unharnessing), letting them eat hay, drink water and roll in the dirt it was time to part ways.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/04/PerchDanSaucer042013g.jpg)

I had a wonderful learning experience and I thank 'r' so very much for this opportunity and entrusting his partners to me.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on June 28, 2013, 11:08:50 PM
Food Storage — Spring House - In Progress

Being that it was 20 degrees warmer than normal today and Z got off work earlier than usual as he went to work earlier than normal.. we decided to walk to the headwaters of our creek or the property line.. whichever was first. Everyone put on boots as we figured we would walk the creek down to the farm even though we figured we needed to crawl through brush now and again.

We walked the flagged property line through the brushy thick brush and over hill and dale, down a very steep bank and found the creek. I would like to say I found it gracefully, but I slid down the slippery bank on my rear end and ended up IN the creek. Z and SweetPea laughed at me and my muddy bum.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/06/CreekHeadwaters06282013a.jpg)

Since I was IN the creekline, I climbed out on the opposite side and  I went back upstream on the bank a few yards and found where the creek started for us, which oddly is RIGHT on the property line (at this time of the year anyway). We thought it would be further up where it started by 1/4 mile. There is about a 2 1/2-3 foot drop of water and it sounds all bubbly and waterfall-like into a 2 foot deep pool, it doesn't have the right effect in the photo for size, as I am standing up on the bank aways as I did not want to fall into the creek again. I know.. wimp..

In asking Z, we figure it might be 15-20 gallons a minute at this part of the creek. We did not bring a bucket however. We decided to try down at the dam at the farm. At this point we are at the Lodge property which is above the farm.

I am sure in the winter months it is more than a seep above where this lovely little waterfall comes out of the ground into the pool. Across the creek is a bowl out of the hillside with what seems to be another spring coming out and trickling down to the main creek. If it was not so brushy, skunk cabbagey and wet, it would be a nice place for a picnic.

After going and seeing some more sights along the way (some not so good, but that is for another post.. or not) and ditching the creek for the old slid road on the south side of our property which is up a STEEP 50+ foot 45 degree angle climb out of the ravine. We made it down to the dam area and tried to get a bucker under, but it was not working. I will likely go down this weekend to the waterfall before it goes into the river and time it there.

After Archer talked to me about hydraulic rams on TSP, I mentioned it to Z and now Z is all over that. We will use it to water the farm garden we think.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on August 07, 2013, 04:07:51 PM
Food Storage — Spring House - Project started.
Spring House on our creekline where we have water rights. It so looks like there is a foundation for one on the creekline at a natural spot not too far from the heritage house. Until 1970, they used the creek and finally a hand pump next to the lilac bush for water. I would like to restore a springhouse if there had one previously to preserve the ambience of the century old farm.

I did more research on our creekline, studied the Water Rights from pre-Depression Era days (it tells how the dam was built actually) and weed eatered the area free from 5 foot tall Horsetail and Braken ferns, so I could see what was happening in there a few weeks ago. I pulled some sheet metal and such out of where the dam/creek is, (looked like kids put it in years back maybe?) and got a bucket under the flow. At the driest part of the year, it is still giving 5-8 gallons per minute.

Since then, I talked to my friend Bob who is a geologist and I ran my ideas past him to see if they were plausible, while he was here.

Yesterday I talked to my friend S who is an OSP and I was teasing him that I found the perfect rock I want for the springhouse alongside the road from a slide, but it was on a crummy corner and I required him to block the road for me with his police car so I could safely get it. He told me to call the county and they often will pick it up and haul it to you. So today I called 3 phone numbers, each one getting me closer to the guy I needed to talk to, and they are sending me a form to fill out and they will go collect my rock I want and dump it here for me. Apparently they do look for closer places to haul rock than back to the county/state road shops. Before I was off the phone, the email came through for info on it from the guy I was talking to on the phone.

I was in our Lodge well house today and I want the Springhouse to be about that size I think.  I just went out to measure it and it is 7 feet wide, 6 feet-ish deep and 5 feet tall against the back wall, 7 foot at the front where the door is. I could make it 6x6, but I think I will like that extra bit for shelves and such. 12" thick walls from stone, so the interior will be a bit smaller than the 7'x6', although I may change that to 8'x7' depending on how much rock I receive. This rock I have had my eye on is a orangey-grey coloured rock, so it would be difficult to just match from the next slide down the road. Part of my requirements for this project is that is has to be local stone.

Off to find boards for slip forms now....

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on August 07, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Food Storage — Spring House - Project started.
Spring House on our creekline where we have water rights.

After Archer talked to me about hydraulic rams on TSP, I mentioned it to Z and now Z is all over that. We will use it to water the farm garden we think.


And we did build a hydraulic ram since this last post.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/07/HydraulicRamJuly2013b.jpg)

The hydraulic ram will lift the water up to the garden and not even use any electricity. They are really simple and ingenious machines.

Cedar

Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on August 08, 2013, 04:53:08 PM
Food Storage — Spring House - Project started.
Spring House on our creekline where we have water rights.
 

And we did build a hydraulic ram since this last post.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/07/HydraulicRamJuly2013b.jpg)

The hydraulic ram will lift the water up to the garden and not even use any electricity. They are really simple and ingenious machines.

Cedar



damn! excellent!! Cedar, you and Z are amazing!! wish i had a stream nearby I could make one for...
+1 to you cedar!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on August 08, 2013, 06:01:05 PM
damn! excellent!! Cedar, you and Z are amazing!! wish i had a stream nearby I could make one for...
+1 to you cedar!

That +1 should go to Z  and SP actually. I did not do much on this project.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on August 09, 2013, 10:32:53 AM
That +1 should go to Z  and SP actually. I did not do much on this project.

Cedar
I'll go look for his login and give it to him then... Does he have a site/link with the plans he worked off of? I might go build one just to see how to do so so I know how to do it.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on July 01, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Here that it is halfway through 2014... I still have not given up on the 13-in-13. Sometimes it just takes me a little longer to get something accomplished when other things have taken priority. We are always doing 'prepping' type projects around here, and the ones I chose were large tasks to accomplish. I knew I would likely not get them done in a year's time, but they were still goals I would like to finish in the next few years.

So where I am at now.
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - Still in Progress
Got to drive the team a TSPer generously allowed me to do. Still looking for a work collar to fit "Whiskers", but I have a buggy harness which has a breast collar on it. Been driving him around with that to smarten him up. Still not trusting this horse yet. He still has poor ground manners. Granted, I could be working with him more on them. I am wondering if this is why he was dropped from working as a logging horse. If it were up to me, I would consider selling him and getting a new one. He is a nightmare to worm. Z has built him a sledge to pull as soon as we get the work collar and get him to work on something and maybe that will chill him out. I may put the harness on him today in fact. I know I need to do it more often than I do, but once we have the work collar, I can see me utilizing him on a daily basis, even if he is slower than using the tractor or the quad. I want to have him in 'working order'.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/05/HorseSledge05232013b.jpg)

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/05/HorseSledge05232013c.jpg)

Don't worry, we had not finished harnessing him up yet.. That one line is really short and it kept slipping through.
(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/draftHorse10212012b.jpg)

Gardening — Crash course in Silviculture - Still In Progress
Managing, using, conserving, and repairing forestland. I am currently learning about how to selective cut for the health of the forest. How far apart they should be. What to look like in culling individual trees as well as which ones are going to gain more worth over the years. We have bought a 'portable' sawmill to cut our own lumber and are in the process of designing a permanent mill shed for it built before Autumn. I will not allow either of us to actually cut trees larger than 'poles', so we will hire someone who does this as a living (we have lots of loggers around here), to drop them. I have identified at least 3 more types of trees in our forest this year.

(http://www.linnlumber.com/wpimages/wp0_wp0f73b07e_06.png)

Carpentry — Always In Progress
The house is built and even if I did not get to do alot, I gleaned alot of knowledge from it. We have been building many things around the farm and repairing infrastructure which is here. Sheds, barns, bathroom remodeling, shelving, root cellar bins... each little project teaches. Soon we will be building a real hog barn (called on concrete yesterday), and then a 16-20'x 60' overhang on the east side of the North Barn. One of my projects is my log studio. I need to install three windows, in the logs. My biggest worry is that the logs will fall and crush me when I am attempting that, or falling off is foundation. Also replace a door which I think is there, but has no frame. Then installing wood flooring (maybe cut from our trees. http://owic.oregonstate.edu/oregon-ash-fraxinus-latifolia )

Beer Making — At a standstill. Alot of projects on the the go and this one is a low priority.

Animal Husbandry — A.I.ing Hogs - On Standby
Z and I took classes at Oregon State University on this. I have AI'd various other animals at the vet clinic as part of my job in the past. But we have since bought our own Berkshire boar, so we have not had to AI our sows. But we have the knowledge if we need to attempt it. So far our sows have produced us four litters.

Weaving — On standby
It needs to be on standby until I have my 600 sf log cabin studio to use as my teaching space and office. I have two floor looms, and they are not just a small piece of furniture to set up in the house.

In the pic, the log building over the concrete basement is my studio. With the help of my WWOOFer who is coming, perhaps we can tear off the siding over the logs on the South-ish side of the building. Get the three windows in it, the large picture window over looking the south side, and two windows which open on the creekside. Maybe this summer we can start to chink it, put the rock in the wood cookstove alcove and get a little further on it. Someday, I would like to rock over the concrete to dress it up. The bottom part will eventually be our farm store.
(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/06/Fencing06142014a.jpg)

Alternative Energy — Always reading up on it and looking at other peoples setups. I still think we have a good chance at
Hydro power (pelton wheel) but I think it needs to wait on the Spring House being built.

Food Storage — Spring House - Planned
Spring House on same water source as above. A spring house is practical for me to store extra produce from the garden, extra milk/butter from the cow. I have been in spring houses before and if the electric does go out, they are just about as good as a refrigerator. Not to mention pretty nice to hang out in on a hot day. I have a WWOOFer who is coming to stay with us. She is the mother of a TSP member from Texas. And I believe she would like to get into this project with me. Part of the reason I have not done this project yet, is I have a window of August/September/October when the water it at is lowest and I missed that window last year. I also need to go scavenge rock, and if I am going up into the mountains to get it, I want a partner to go get it with me.

Communication — Ham radio license - In Progress
I have contacted the 'local' ham group a few times and they keep telling me they will have classes soon. This is something I really feel like I need to actually sit in a classroom and be taught.

Water Catchment/Filtering — Partly Accomplished
I have set up five water catchment systems (there are 5 of them, but 4 are for watering livestock). One of them is a 55 gallon drum for human household use when the power goes out. I want a larger system, either with more 55 gallon drums or a 227 gallon IBC tank system. I would like to catch rain from the roof of the North Barn and pipe it down a a huge bank of IBC tanks for the greenhouses. I want to base it off a system that was used in the 1860's in a historic town in northern BC. I would like to put a spiggot on the bottom of the one we use for household, but I think I wouldlike to move it over a bit and put it on a concrete brick pad, but I want to put it right where I need to put in a 'foundation' on the backside of the woodshed.

Bio Fuel — Nixed, but still learning about it.
I have had an interest in biodiesel and would like to try it even small scale to see how it is done. There are a few guys in the community running their large trucks on SVO and I stuck my head under their truck hoods last week and learned what they had to say about their trucks, their pre-heaters and such.

Electronics — Still Planned
Learn basic electronics, like build a radio from scrap like they did in WWI. This goes back to my 2012 New Years Resolution for learning electronics. My brother built a small radio when he was in 4-5th grade and I remember it working quite well. I know during WWI they used scraps off the Jeeps to make radios for the trenches. It fascinates me that something so useful can be made out of so little. I would like to know the knowledge on how to make one. So for entertainment, learning and one day could be security. This will be a winter project I am sure. So likely I will attempt it again in Winter 2014/15. And get SP involved in it too.

Education — Economics - Still working on it.
Learn basic economics better than I have a grasp on now. It is more of a bit of a read here, a bit of a read there, rather than sitting down with a college economics book.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: busymomx3 on July 02, 2014, 07:23:16 AM
Oh gosh those draft horses are amazing.  I would be lying if I said I wasn't jealous :).  What a fabulous fun skill to learn.  I might have to ask DH if I can learn LOL.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on July 15, 2014, 10:07:30 AM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - Still in Progress

For the last week, I have been ground driving "Whiskers" daily as he had been on 5 years too long of a vacation, between the last people who owned him and then us for the last 18 months. He was getting obnoxious from not having a job to do and getting pushy. We have done 6 miles in the last few days, I am getting out there first thing in the morning after SP wakes up and we do two miles on the forestland next door, which once was part of this property. The ground is easy on his bare feet, there is no traffic, unless they are doing active logging up here (which I don't think they are currently) and since he is a ex-logging horse, 12 year veteran, I figured he would be comfortable in that setting.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/07/Whiskers07122014a.jpg)

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/07/Whiskers07122014b.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ATm0wPDhs
This video was taken yesterday morning on my morning 'walk' with "Whiskers". Sorry about the third part which is turned sideways. But this is what it looks like in general our neck of the woods. When I said "we used to own this part", I actually meant that the land we were walking on USED to be attached to our land. We never owned it, but the previous owners did. This used to be a HUGE parcel. SweetPea also asked how come we did not do this when she was three years old, and I told her she would not have been able to keep up with a horse when she was three years old. But I do plan on going on longer treks with him ground driving, and she should be able to ride him with her helmet and hanging onto the hames. I will try to do a better video another day, but it really is difficult to drive with a line in both hands and run a video camera. I did not run the lines though the bridle either, as I really need the bit more length that it gives me.

In just a few days of driving him daily and getting into a routine for the both of us, he has calmed down and seems to be enjoying being harnessed up and going for a walk. It takes 12 weeks for a human and an animal to become good working partners and know what to expect from each other.

But yesterday was even more progress. Yesterday I bought a Pioneer forecart, already set up for draft horses, for 'Whiskers". The problem is it is in Wisconsin currently, but eventually it will make its way out there. The two pictures below are of my cart, parked in front of my friend Bob's shop after he went to go pick it up for me. There are extras included with it, which are not shown in the pictures.

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/07/Forecart07142014a.jpg)

(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/07/Forecart07142014b.jpg)

One of the extras was a work collar. One thing which we have been missing from "Whiskers" large work harness. We are not sure it fits yet, but my friend will ship it out UPS so we will get that before the forecart. But all-in-all, it is forward progress.

Cedar - who doesn't care it isn't 2013 anymore
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on July 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
Oh gosh those draft horses are amazing.  I would be lying if I said I wasn't jealous :).  What a fabulous fun skill to learn.  I might have to ask DH if I can learn LOL.

There are places you can learn. Or find someone to mentor you.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on July 15, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
nice cart there Cedar!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on July 15, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
nice cart there Cedar!

If it gets here before you get here next time, I will take you and queue for ride.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on October 27, 2014, 08:03:24 PM
Chem 'made' me look to see where I am on my 13 in '13. And re-evaluate. I don't care that it is the end of 2014, just like on my other post.. I will just continue to plug along on it.


Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - Done
I can hitch up a horse, figure out how to put a harness back together, I can ground drive, and I have driven a large farm type waggon. I consider this still in progress, even though I can get the 'job done'. It is an art and every time you change working partners, even if it is an animal, it takes 8-12 weeks to work as a well oiled machine. However, I am looking for another partner. Currently I am looking at Rescue Drafts, and looking into mules. I have always had a thing for long ears and since SP has donkeys, getting another long ear will fit right in. "Whiskers" our Clydesdale is getting old, has no teeth and it is hard to keep weight on him, and he is refusing to lift his feet for a farrier. Whether this is obnoxiousness on his part, or he is in pain (common in older draft horses) from lifting his feet, his feet cannot be done unless we throw him. Even this summer, on full pasture, he was on 9-18 quarts of Senior horse diet a day, and he is still ribby, and losing muscle in his hind legs.  We may have to put him down this winter.

Gardening — Crash course in Silviculture - In Progress
Managing, using, conserving, and repairing forestland.
I have actually learned alot since my original post. Most of my neighbors are timberworkers of some kind and I pick their brains alot. We have started thinning our forest. Evaluated it, and have done Added Value projects in it.

CarpentryDone
Been building alot of things, although Z won't let me tackle a job on my own. I do get lazy as he can do Trig in his head and I cannot add 2+2, so it is easier having him as a walking calculator.

Beer Making — In Progress and not gone forward one step.
Still have not gotten to this one yet.

Animal Husbandry — A.I.ing Hogs - Done

WeavingDone
I still have not set up my large looms yet, but I have been working on the smaller ones and teaching people as well.

Alternative Energy — Planned
We keep wavering on which direction to go, or a hybrid.

Food Storage — Spring House - Planned
A little further along, but I missed my window in August when the water was down.

Communication — Ham radio license - In Progress
I signed up for class in February and got 2 of my fire team, 1 TSPer, and my person I am mentoring signed up as well.

Water Catchment/Filtering — In Progress
We are soon adding three 1,000 gallon+ water catchments. One will be for the well, so I that is not really catchment, but it is storing drinking water. The other two will be set up for water catchment off the North Barn and carried via pipe from the North Barn tank, down the hill to the Greenhouse Complex tank for watering the greenhouses. Overflow and drains to keep the tanks/pipes from freezing will go to our ravine creek and then to the river.

Bio Fuel — Nixed
Nixed. But there is a guy I see every Wednesday and we have talked a long time each time about his BioFuel truck as we sit on his or my tailgate. So I have learned a fair bit from him. At least a working knowledge. So I learned, but decided not to do for many reasons.

Electronics — Planned
Learn basic electronics, like build a radio from scrap like they did in WWI. I plan on doing that this winter, when it is grody and yucky winter weather and I would rather be near the woodstove.

Education — Economics - In Process.
Learn basic economics better than I have a grasp on now.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team

I have upgraded this to 'teach a donkey to drive' goal.

"Whiskers" our Clydesdale is no more. And I have been looking at a new working partner for a year maybe. I looked out the window one day while I was thinking about it and spied the donkeys down on the field.

"Tilly" is my new victim, 'guinea pig' project. And she seems to have a willingness to work. We put the packsaddle on her again with panniers and went on a 4 hour walk yesterday. The 'rigging' for the packsaddle is pretty much in all the same spots as a harness. It has a breastcollar (not a work collar), breaching, things here and there.. and even grabbing her tail and stuffing it through the breeching, she does not mind. I just take it slow with her and let her check things out. Donkeys are different than mules or horses, something I would have not believed until I was working with one daily.

(http://downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/08/Donkeys.jpg)

(http://downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2014/08/Tilly08252014a.jpg)

Donkey's are not stubborn.. well.. yes.. but no.. they have to check things out, study the situation for a bit and determine it is ok, before they are cool with it. They don't always take your word for it, they want to check it out for themselves, which in alot of respects in life, is probably a good idea. Where the stubbornness comes in, is the human getting involved. The human is in a hurry and wants to hurry and wants the donkey to hurry up, which makes the donkey wary and plant its feet stubbornly. Which is why donkeys get the label of 'stubborn', when it is in fact the human that actually starts it. So don't push, pull or do anything to the donkey before it decides the situation is alright. When donkey's are spooked, they tend to stop, or if they do bolt, it is like 12 feet, they stop turn around and stare at the thing which scared them. Unlike horses and mules, if a donkey has a threat.. it doesn't run away from it, but tends to shove into it, or stop it, which is why they are good guardians for sheep. They will run over and stomp a coyote.

They are also horribly playful.... which is good, if you can turn that into something fun and productive. It takes about three times to suggest to a donkey what you want it to do, but when they learn it, they do not forget it. So I have to make sure I am (and Z is) consistant each and every time.

I have two harnesses to try out on her. One is a nylon one, that I just got, which I think is too small, but it has the blinkers and two sets of lines. I have my horse or cob sized 1800's doctors buggy harness and I have it on the floor in front of me to move buckles and such to see how small I can make it (as soon as the woodstove warms up enough I can feel my fingers). I do have black nylon which is the same thickness on a reel, so I could modify the nylon harness if it is close. If not, the tack sale will be coming up in a few months.

So yesterday I wanted to see how 'bombproof' "Tilly" is. We were walking past a blue plastic tarp on the ground, and I walked her over it.. and then 10-15 minutes later, I hung it on her withers, neck and ear. She stood. She looked like "Excuse me, that thing is cold and wet!", but she never budged. I talked to her former owner yesterday (and showed her pics of the walk with did with the donkeys yesterday) and asked if she had 'sacked' them out. She said she had ten years ago, but has not messed with them since about that time.

So if it stops raining between now and this coming weekend, I will be fitting "Tilly" to a harness (or the other way around) and see what happens there. If none of them fit, I will have to order another one in, or wait until the Tack Sale in the spring.

I am tired of studying for a bit, so I think I will attempt that leather harness now.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: spud on December 29, 2015, 08:48:28 PM
I see that Whiskers is no more but I seemed to miss of what happened with Cody?  Very cool that you are working with draft animals, we have plenty of Amish here in the midwest who are experienced with working animals.  Good luck with trying to get a hydro plant going.
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 02, 2016, 08:25:05 AM
(http://downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/2013/05/Cody.jpg)


"Cody"
c. 1983 - May 6, 2013

We do not know a lot about "Cody's" history, other than he was a logging horse in Oregon most of his life. He came into our lives in January 2013 and was a pasture buddy to "Whiskers". I had a photo of him in his prime in harness with another horse pulling logs out of the Oregon Coast range. He was GORGEOUS in his prime and working.

I know he had heart to the end, prancing his high leg action only a few days before we put him down, that it seems only Clydesdales can do with all that feathering on their legs. I know when I harnessed him up last September when we were considering purchasing "Whiskers", I tossed the collar and harness on him, although I was not too interested in him at the time, but you could see his eyes light up and he really wanted to go to work and he drove like a dream. He was the sweetest horse ever (unlike "Whiskers").

At 30 years of age, he was starting to fail even with having his teeth done. Basically he had no teeth. Even with special feeds, and on full lush pasture he was dropping mass amounts of weight at the end. It was time to let  him go. He is buried at the farm.

Even though we did not buy him, he came along as a friend to "Whiskers", a bonus....I am glad that in his last few months he had a good retirement with a good friend on nice green pastures instead of a drylot where we found him. May there be 'good pastures' where he is now. "Cody", thank you for all your years of hard work for all us humans.



Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: archer on January 02, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
Rest in peace Cody
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on January 02, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
I wanted to see where I was at on this Challenge since spud got me into this thread again. I am no longer at the former-farm, so some of my abilities to do some things have become more difficult, while other things have become much much easier.

Animal Husbandry — Learn how to drive a draft horse team - ACCOMPLISHED, but ongoing forever. It is a skill you will always develop and learn, and with every hitching up you learn more. And when you partner up with a new animal.

Gardening — Crash course in Silviculture - In Progress
Still in progress, as it is not a thing you can just learn quickly. Currently I am helping friends plant thousands and thousands of Douglas Fir on their clearcut, although they might hire a crew soon to get it done. I am learning more about replanting, what trees are available to qualify as 'forestry', how to manage small woodlots (under 25 acres) and Christmas tree farms.

Carpentry — In Progress
I am currently building a project right now with a friend who is a construction/contractor/detail finisher guy, and I am learning how to build large sheds. It is not difficult to learn, but there are practical hands-on things which you can only learn by putting your hands on it. Like my teacher said, "sometimes it is not an exact science".... and here I was thinking alot of math was involved  ;)

Beer Making — DECLINED and culled out. I do not drink and I am no longer together with the person I was doing this for. I always have some project on the go, so this space will quickly get filled, if not already.

Animal Husbandry — A.I.ing Hogs - ACCOMPLISHED
Even though I never AI'd my former hogs, I have AI'd many species in the veterinary field over 20-some years. I took a day long class at Oregon State University on Swine AI, so I feel I can do this with confidence.

Weaving — In Progress
On standby, but I recently went to the Mission Mill Museum in Salem, Oregon. I actually learned alot there. I actually do know how to weave, but I wanted to gain more skills at it.

Alternative Energy — In Progress/ ACCOMPLISHED
Hydro power (pelton wheel). The family I stay with at times, has many creeks coming down their steep mountain. I teased one day that they ought to get a pelton wheel. A week later three pelton wheels were delivered by the Mr. UPS man. We will be building a powerhouse here, and I will be helping set them up and learning. I have also been running a small solar system since August. The man of this family used to install alternative power, so I hope to learn alot from him.

Food Storage — Spring House - Nixed..
I am no longer at the former-farm, so for the time being this project is on hold. One day I will build a springhouse somewhere, even if it is not for me.

Communication — Ham radio license - ACCOMPLISHED Passed my Technician ticket last winter.

Water Catchment/FilteringACCOMPLISHED and ongoing.
Last summer I took a class through SAGE and built a 55 gallon water barrel. At the former farm 10,000 gallons of water catchment was put into place. I will soon have another water barrel system for water catchment and usage. The people who I stay with at times, they have a mountain spring watering system for their home, and I want to help them build a 55 gallon filtration system for that spring, since pine needles, discoloured water sometimes happens when it rains too hard. They are open to that idea and we will work on it as soon as other projects are out of the way.

Bio Fuel — In progress
I borrowed a friends truck for a couple weeks, and it runs on biodiesel. I quipped that he ought to look into making BioDiesel and he went out and bought the equipment for it. I am studying up on how to make it with this equipment, so I can learn how to make it and teach him/his family.

ElectronicsACCOMPLISHED and ongoing
Learn basic electronics, like build a radio from scrap like they did in WWI. A friend and I did build a Foxhole radio. It did work. With me having my Ham Radio license now, I am on to catching 'larger fish'.

Education — Economics - Planned
I am figuring out an angle on how I want to proceed with this, or if I am already doing it.

Cedar
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: RitaRose1945 on January 02, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
How have I missed out on this thread???


Very cool stuff!
Title: Re: Cedar's 13
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
I am still working on it.. Mom thinks I am a procrastinator, but I think all things in their time..

Bio Fuel — Planned
Possibly making biodiesel for Z's truck This one might be nixed now since his truck half died. However, when it gets towed to the garage at the farm, I will be tearing it down to see if we can fix it. I used to work on lots of quarter mile cars for the racetrack, but never diesels which were not semi trucks. So it will be a bit of a new thing for me. I have had an interest in biodiesel and would like to try it even small scale to see how it is done.

Bio FuelNixed
Nixed. But there is a guy I see every Wednesday and we have talked a long time each time about his BioFuel truck as we sit on his or my tailgate. So I have learned a fair bit from him. At least a working knowledge. So I learned, but decided not to do for many reasons.

Bio Fuel — In progress
I borrowed a friends truck for a couple weeks, and it runs on biodiesel. I quipped that he ought to look into making BioDiesel and he went out and bought the equipment for it. I am studying up on how to make it with this equipment, so I can learn how to make it and teach him/his family.


So it has been sitting awhile, but the people I stay with from time to time run diesel trucks, a year and a bit ago I quipped we ought to get a biodiesel system and make our own. It was not salvage, but got it for a good price, and since the friends paid for it, it is up to me to do the learning on how to do this.. so today I am learning, reading, watching videos now that I am back indoors escaping the heat.

Here is part of our system. I think this is the waste oil tank and the methoxide tank you see here. The other parts are 'hidden' somewhere else on the farm here.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4230/34965769784_863cb559f7_z.jpg)

Cedar

PS All of the other pics on this thread will be back up when I unblock my website