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New year's in New york
« on: December 30, 2017, 02:23:24 PM »
I was thinking of new year's night in New York and security...is it possible to secure it from a las Vegas type of event?

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 02:35:42 PM »
I was thinking of new year's night in New York and security...is it possible to secure it from a las Vegas type of event?
Not really. You can make it better, deploy counter snipers and such. But keep it from sucking horribly? Not really.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 02:42:53 PM »
That's the  conclusion I kept coming up with.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 08:11:13 PM »
Nope. How many thousands of windows overlook that crowd.
Even a counter snipper would be useless against a snipper with some training.
Open the window, remove an AC unit, vent or something. Be back far enough in the room to not be seen. Use a silencer. Build your hide.
Shoot away.
Hypothetical of course.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 09:24:20 PM »
Nope.  A counter sniper can do the same?

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 05:51:58 AM »
I was thinking of new year's night in New York and security...is it possible to secure it from a las Vegas type of event?

You would think the wind chill would take care of this.....

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 06:57:40 AM »
Just to be clear....

You want to spend the New Year with millions of people who are wearing diapers so they can drink in public for hours on end in the cold and your biggest concern is a shooter?

The first time I went to Time's Square I actually had a bit of a panic attack. It was full. Full of people. People just being there. Doing nothing. Just taking up space. I froze and a friend asked if I needed something. I blurted out, "farmland and a shotgun" and we still laugh about it today.


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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2017, 07:23:34 AM »
I don't understand the appeal at all.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 07:45:08 AM »
  Getting drunk,groped ,shoved,and wetting your pants (not mine) loses the thrill when you think about it.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2017, 08:23:32 AM »

The first time I went to Time's Square I actually had a bit of a panic attack. It was full. Full of people. People just being there. Doing nothing. Just taking up space. I froze and a friend asked if I needed something. I blurted out, "farmland and a shotgun" and we still laugh about it today.
I feel ya!   :spit:
I imagine the majority of members of this forum are NOT crowd people. New Year in Times Square is pretty close to the bottom of my list of things I want to do...

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2017, 10:15:04 AM »
I think I will stay home and see what is on 20 meter.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2017, 10:33:49 AM »
According to Google I'm 620 miles from time square and the temp is 72...I'll stay put.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2017, 01:47:36 PM »
  I will watch on TV or DOT traffic cameras...wait I remember now...this is a better view...

http://worldcams.tv/sights/times-square

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 02:21:26 PM »
I grew up a few blocks from times square, so I'm very familiar with the area as well as how it is secured on NYE. The NYPD once stopped my aunt from coming to my house for a NYE party because they found a bottle of champagne in her coat, so security is stupidly tight.
Additionally, the area is very small and buildings are very tall, shooting isn't very likely, even from the hotels around there. The hotels, for example, don't have opening windows so any breakout would be seen. The guest rooms also start at about 10 stories up so, again, shooting angles would be terrible.
I'd more worry about a bomb or car/truck attack, but even those are tricky. The PD sweeps the area completely before they let people in and again, the check everyone that comes in and out. Heavy concrete barriers are set up blocks from the area so even getting close is hard.
I'm not saying the scenario is impossible, but it's much harder than you'd think.

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Re: New year's in New york
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 06:01:19 PM »
I don't understand the appeal at all.
Ive never understood the appeal of any crowd, let alone that mob on NYE.

As for what could happen,  a friend and I used to make up various scenarios on how we'd do some sort of crime.  We'd never go through of course, but it makes you consider think about various threats.  If it was me and I was looking to create the most carnage in someplace like Times Square on NYE, I'd let the crowd do most of the work.  Someone screaming that it's an attack, or maybe lighting a pack of firecrackers would set a lot of the revelers running and trampling their fellow partiers.  I bet that would kill dozens.