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What is the First Rule of Survival?
« on: March 28, 2010, 05:51:30 PM »
A week or so ago, I posted the question "What is the First Rule of GunFighting?"
The stock answer is "have a gun'

Seeing how 'Survival' is a life or death issue, depending on your performance (and luck) for its outcome, a corrolation can be made to gunfighting.

If we accept that corrolation, if 'have a gun' is the correct answer to the first question, then is it correct to say that the First Rule of Survival is "to have preps"? Or, "to have survival equipment"?

What say you, Ants?

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 06:08:06 PM »
The basic rules are; breath, shelter, eat, and drink.

But I think the most important rule of survival is determination.  Without the will to survive you have nothing.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 06:12:43 PM »
The will to survive.

Your preps affect what you CAN do, not what you WILL do.

In one hand, you have a pocket knife. In your other hand,  well, your other hand is actually being smashed by a boulder. You CAN cut your own arms off but WILL you?

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 06:15:45 PM »
Not first, but fourth or fifth maybe. Having a plan and being able to think outside the box.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 06:19:04 PM »
IMO the most important elements of survival are information and preplanning.  The best BOB available is useless if you don’t know how to use the stuff inside.  The middle of a disaster is the wrong place to start attempting to decide what to do.

In order to survive you need to acquire the necessary survival information, and you need to make plans in advance to cover any contingency.  Reaction time in an emergency could be hours, but it could also be seconds.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2010, 07:52:54 PM »
the first rule of survival is to never talk about survival ((fight club)) lol beer is good

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 07:58:31 PM »
The first rule for surviving any situation is "Don't Panic!".  IOW, keep your head.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 07:59:53 PM »
The first rule of survival is scene safety.  If the scene isn't safe, you aren't safe and to continue your survival you either need to make it safe, or relocate to a position of safety.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 08:01:35 PM »
I have to agree the above post...the correct answer is Obtain knowledge\skill.

This would be the correct answer for both the question for the gun fight as well as SHTF.

Suppose you have two identical guns, both loaded with identical ammo.  One is given to a USMC Master Sergent, the other to a tribesman from an isolated indigenous clan the Amazon Rainforest.  Both are faced with a life threatening situation and they need to use their weapon to survive.  Which of the two would have be best odds of survival?

The same logic with prepping.  You can have a pantry full of #10 cans of every imaginable ingredient, but without the knowledge and skills you'll be lucky to survive, much less enjoy what you've prepared.  By the way, knowledge of using a can opener would be handy as well.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 08:03:30 PM »
With sincere respect for the previous posts, as they are all very good and insightful posts, my own personal #1 rule to survival is that there are no hard, fast rules for survival which are more important than the others. Each of our rules may have its shining moment and, at that time, it may seem like the most important thing but the most important rule, to me, is simply to survive.


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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 08:09:14 PM »
Here are my rules of survival.

1. Remain alive today.  (Identify immediate threats and overcome them.)
2. Wake up alive tomorrow. (Plan for overcoming today's and tonight's threats.)
3. Plan for waking up alive in the near future. (Short term disaster preparation.)
4. Plan on waking up happy/comfortable tomorrow. (Living a better life if things get tough or...)
5. Plan for waking up alive in the foreseeable future.  (long term planning.)
6. Plan for being happy/comfortable in the near future.
7. Plan for being happy/comfortable in the foreseeable future.

I debated switching 4 and 5.

Although they may be an over simplification, if you follow these rules and you will be fine.  Use them to prioritize your preps, training, knowledge base.

Luckily, we very seldom have to worry about #1 & #2, mostly because we practice #3.


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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2010, 08:29:42 PM »
I would offer that maybe the first rule of survival could just be to adapt.  Adapt to the situation, adapt to what you have available to work with, adapt to using the skills you know well, and adapt to realistic outcomes/expectations. 

Just my two cents.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 08:50:43 PM »
#1) Using Your Brain

Without it anything else is pointless! But; Will, Determination, Skill, Etc... are definitely a part of it.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 09:31:40 PM »
I'll bite. I think the answer is as simple as the answer to your gun question. The first rule of survival is to survive. If you do not survive then you are not a survivor. Everything else like preps, knowledge, and even a gun are tools used to accomplish survival. 

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 10:31:00 PM »
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2010, 10:55:20 PM »
1) Remember after the initial shock wears off that you are in a survival situation, get yourself together and focus on the immediate problem at hand and try to keep your mind on it. Panic is contagious and spreads and it will/has killed the best of people.

2) Take care of yourself, you wont be good to anyone else or yourself if you get hurt trying to do too much at once.

I'm sure most of us have been lost in the woods even for a few mins and have had that OH-Shi&!! feeling

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2010, 11:31:25 PM »
"Don't Die."

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2010, 06:10:13 AM »
Sit down,relax and ponder the WTF happened drill,then proceed.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2010, 07:34:36 AM »
I think the Boy Scouts answered this one.  "Be Prepared".  That doesn't mean have lots of food or the right equipment available at all times.  It means have the knowledge needed to survive in a given situation (Even if you have nothing) and be prepared to make use of whatever is available.  This kind of mental preparedness helps to ensure you don't panic in a given situation and increases your chances of survival.  (Whether your the lone survivor of a plane crash in the ocean and end up on a deserted island with absolutely nothing or you are somewhere semi urban with lots of "Potentially" useful items surrounding you.)  Heck a junkyard in a survival situation may be the Kings Court so to speak.

I think survival starts at Base 0,  Meaning, if you are prepared to survive with nothing but the clothes on your back, then ever extra "Resource" available to you, whether is your own preps if you are surviving at home or at your BOL, or you have only your Get Home bag with you 1000 miles away from home, or all you have is a pocket knife in the middle of nowhere, that is a PLUS.  Start with preparedness to survive at base 0 which equates to knowledge.


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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2010, 10:23:36 AM »
Having the correct mind set.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 11:56:35 AM »
First rule of survival?

Have a plan.

A realistic plan that is based on reasoned examination of probability of occurrence and backed up by ever expanding skill base and preparation.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 03:16:22 PM »
Don't stop breating. That's the first rule ;)

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 04:06:27 PM »
The first rule of survival is to survive.

That said, your first concern should be knowledge and planning. Start studying how to survive in different environments and situations. Practice the skills you learn as you study. The most basic needs are the ability to cut and to produce fire. Everything else comes after them. Without the ability to cut and produce fire, most people won't survive.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 04:51:11 PM »

 Unless your a mountain man, you will need to group together to survive.That means to find people you can trust and work together to ward off incoming attacks or disasters.I find that many still go to work and support their nuclear family and could care less about their neighbors.When The SHTF many will have to wake up and make do or die.Discern the best you can to find people who have honor & integrity.Also to be vigilant in respecting of others and the group as a whole also must do the same.A band of brothers & sisters that know they must change and adapt and get to helping the group as whole in doing so. A  good leader must give more then he takes to lead.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 04:56:25 PM »
  Mine is think.

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2010, 05:09:40 PM »
One other thing to consider.  "Survival" doesn't necessarily mean SHTF or TEOTWAWKI.  It could mean walking down the street and getting confronted by thugs, it could mean getting stranded on an island in the middle of the Mississippi river while your fishing, it could mean being in your car when it rolls off the road down into the water.  It could mean twisting your ankle on a short hike in an area you know very well.  It could mean falling in to cold water while your out fishing or hiking.

Survival is not a situation.  Its a mental state.  You can't prepare for every contingency, but you can prepare to deal with any contingency.


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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2010, 05:14:15 PM »
The first rule of survival is to survive.

That said, your first concern should be knowledge and planning. Start studying how to survive in different environments and situations. Practice the skills you learn as you study. The most basic needs are the ability to cut and to produce fire. Everything else comes after them. Without the ability to cut and produce fire, most people won't survive.

Pat

The first rule of survial is to be a survivor.
This is a synthisis of 3 things; body, mind, spirit/heart (listed with the first thing being the least important, the last, being most important, prolly along the lines of 1,10,100 if I were to place a value on them)

Preps and tools (body) don't do you any good if you don't know what to do with them.
Skill/training is of no avail if you haven't the heart to employ what you know.
Heart is what will pull you through.


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Rank and organization: Master Sergeant. Organization: Detachment B-56, 5th Special Forces Group, Republic of Vietnam
Place and date: West of Loc Ninh on May 2, 1968
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Army Master Sgt. Roy P. Benavidez (center) is flanked by United States Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger (left) and President Ronald Reagan at his Medal of Honor presentation ceremony in 1981.Master Sergeant (then Staff Sergeant) Roy P. Benavidez United States Army, who distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions on 2 May 1968 while assigned to Detachment B56, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Republic of Vietnam. On the morning of 2 May 1968, a 12-man Special Forces Reconnaissance Team was inserted by helicopters in a dense jungle area west of Loc Ninh, Vietnam to gather intelligence information about confirmed large-scale enemy activity. This area was controlled and routinely patrolled by the North Vietnamese Army. After a short period of time on the ground, the team met heavy enemy resistance, and requested emergency extraction. Three helicopters attempted extraction, but were unable to land due to intense enemy small arms and anti-aircraft fire. Sergeant Benavidez was at the Forward Operating Base in Loc Ninh monitoring the operation by radio when these helicopters returned to off-load wounded crewmembers and to assess aircraft damage. Sergeant Benavidez voluntarily boarded a returning aircraft to assist in another extraction attempt. Realizing that all the team members were either dead or wounded and unable to move to the pickup zone, he directed the aircraft to a nearby clearing where he jumped from the hovering helicopter, and ran approximately 75 meters under withering small arms fire to the crippled team. Prior to reaching the team's position he was wounded in his right leg, face, and head. Despite these painful injuries, he took charge, repositioning the team members and directing their fire to facilitate the landing of an extraction aircraft, and the loading of wounded and dead team members. He then threw smoke canisters to direct the aircraft to the team's position. Despite his severe wounds and under intense enemy fire, he carried and dragged half of the wounded team members to the awaiting aircraft. He then provided protective fire by running alongside the aircraft as it moved to pick up the remaining team members. As the enemy's fire intensified, he hurried to recover the body and classified documents on the dead team leader. When he reached the leader's body, Sergeant Benavidez was severely wounded by small arms fire in the abdomen and grenade fragments in his back. At nearly the same moment, the aircraft pilot was mortally wounded, and his helicopter crashed. Although in extremely critical condition due to his multiple wounds, Sergeant Benavidez secured the classified documents and made his way back to the wreckage, where he aided the wounded out of the overturned aircraft, and gathered the stunned survivors into a defensive perimeter. Under increasing enemy automatic weapons and grenade fire, he moved around the perimeter distributing water and ammunition to his weary men, reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. Facing a buildup of enemy opposition with a beleaguered team, Sergeant Benavidez mustered his strength, began calling in tactical air strikes and directed the fire from supporting gunships to suppress the enemy's fire and so permit another extraction attempt. He was wounded again in his thigh by small arms fire while administering first aid to a wounded team member just before another extraction helicopter was able to land. His indomitable spirit kept him going as he began to ferry his comrades to the craft. On his second trip with the wounded, he was clubbed with additional wounds to his head and arms before killing his adversary. He then continued under devastating fire to carry the wounded to the helicopter. Upon reaching the aircraft, he spotted and killed two enemy soldiers who were rushing the craft from an angle that prevented the aircraft door gunner from firing upon them. With little strength remaining, he made one last trip to the perimeter to ensure that all classified material had been collected or destroyed, and to bring in the remaining wounded. Only then, in extremely serious condition from numerous wounds and loss of blood, did he allow himself to be pulled into the extraction aircraft. Sergeant Benavidez' gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men. His fearless personal leadership, tenacious devotion to duty, and extremely valorous actions in the face of overwhelming odds were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflect the utmost credit on him and the United States Army


What is the first rule of Survival?

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2010, 05:28:13 PM »
Use your head... or don't panic... or have a plan...
You need your head to make a plan, and the plan ain't worth crap if you panic.
Having a plan helps prevent panic... preparation helps develop your 'head' and therefore your plan...

The first rule of survival is  PREPARATION!!   

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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2010, 05:39:55 PM »
Use your head... or don't panic... or have a plan...
You need your head to make a plan, and the plan ain't worth crap if you panic.
Having a plan helps prevent panic... preparation helps develop your 'head' and therefore your plan...

The first rule of survival is  PREPARATION!!   

many survivors didn't have a lick of preperation.
Preperation is good, but not Rule 1


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Re: What is the First Rule of Survival?
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2010, 07:02:17 PM »
many survivors didn't have a lick of preperation.
Preperation is good, but not Rule 1



True, many where just damn lucky... perhaps most 'survivors' were lucky.  I would think the answer is something one would DO (prepare), not necessarily NOT DO (don't panic).  Even if the preparation was being situationaly aware and,for example, knowing where the closest exit is.  Not necessarily having a firearm, a FAK, food, water or a 'go bag'.