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Offline DocBatman

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #360 on: October 10, 2013, 05:21:57 PM »
I think the skills we are talking about will keep us fed AND make us welcome in any community.

Hopefully!

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #361 on: October 10, 2013, 06:38:45 PM »
I just heard from a cohort that someone mentioned the possibility of a US Bank Holiday next Tuesday last night on one of the Sirius Channels.

Anyone heard any rumblings to the similar?

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #362 on: October 10, 2013, 06:52:50 PM »
I just heard from a cohort that someone mentioned the possibility of a US Bank Holiday next Tuesday last night on one of the Sirius Channels.
Anyone heard any rumblings to the similar?
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Did you see the post I did on the "Bank Drills" being done on the 17th?

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #363 on: October 10, 2013, 07:39:47 PM »

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #364 on: October 10, 2013, 09:17:44 PM »
If anything too terrible is gonna come out of this government shutdown leading into a potential default on the debt, it better happen AFTER I move. I'm planning a cross-country move in a couple weeks.
Also, the shit hits the fan every couple of years. In the northeast. 3 feet of snow overnight and/or an ice storm that knocks out power for an entire region for weeks definitely counts as shit hitting the fan in my book.     

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #366 on: October 11, 2013, 10:21:01 AM »

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #367 on: October 11, 2013, 12:01:54 PM »
This budget issue is getting bad.....

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/07/news/economy/shutdown-economic-impact/index.html?iid=EL

Same ol' CNN confusion about money and the "measuring" economy...

If you read most of the articles that get published there, they rarely (if ever) acknowledge the difference between productive economic activities and any economic activity. If you take most of their slants to their logical conclusions, you'd have to assume that ANYTHING that shuffles money around from place to place is a good thing, even if it's just paying people to dig holes and fill them back up (or even just adding a bunch of numbers to a spreadsheet somewhere that represent no activity whatsoever, let alone productivity).

The shutdown doesn't cost the "economy" anything, until you define what "economy" you're talking about. Sure, lost wages and lost transactions might prevent the IRS from shaving taxes off of them and then re-distributing that money within the same circle (in wasteful and corrupt ways), but it's not like that money has just disappeared altogether. If "economy" to CNN just means the GDP and Dow Jones scorecards that they like to obsess over, sure, it's "cost" them money... but if they're measuring productive activity (which is nearly impossible), then they'd see that the non-essential things that aren't functioning right now were never really that productive in the first place.

Crying wolf about "losing" $50b/month seems a bit disingenuous when you consider that they're perfectly okay with printing $85b/month just to try and stimulate it (and even that is having almost no effect on anyone outside of DC or NYC). If they had any way of knowing what the consequences of their actions were, and were confident they could mitigate them, why don't they just ask Yellen to make her first act as the head of the FED to "reverse-taper" the QE3 up to $135b next month? Problem solved!!! Cake for everybody!

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #368 on: October 11, 2013, 01:19:56 PM »
Same ol' CNN confusion about money and the "measuring" economy...

If you read most of the articles that get published there, they rarely (if ever) acknowledge the difference between productive economic activities and any economic activity. If you take most of their slants to their logical conclusions, you'd have to assume that ANYTHING that shuffles money around from place to place is a good thing, even if it's just paying people to dig holes and fill them back up (or even just adding a bunch of numbers to a spreadsheet somewhere that represent no activity whatsoever, let alone productivity).

The shutdown doesn't cost the "economy" anything, until you define what "economy" you're talking about. Sure, lost wages and lost transactions might prevent the IRS from shaving taxes off of them and then re-distributing that money within the same circle (in wasteful and corrupt ways), but it's not like that money has just disappeared altogether. If "economy" to CNN just means the GDP and Dow Jones scorecards that they like to obsess over, sure, it's "cost" them money... but if they're measuring productive activity (which is nearly impossible), then they'd see that the non-essential things that aren't functioning right now were never really that productive in the first place.

Crying wolf about "losing" $50b/month seems a bit disingenuous when you consider that they're perfectly okay with printing $85b/month just to try and stimulate it (and even that is having almost no effect on anyone outside of DC or NYC). If they had any way of knowing what the consequences of their actions were, and were confident they could mitigate them, why don't they just ask Yellen to make her first act as the head of the FED to "reverse-taper" the QE3 up to $135b next month? Problem solved!!! Cake for everybody!

yellen is a printer.. she might do just that, she cares very little about controlling inflation,  she wants low unemployment at any cost.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #369 on: October 11, 2013, 01:45:34 PM »
yellen is a printer.. she might do just that, she cares very little about controlling inflation,  she wants low unemployment at any cost.

Jobs at McDonald's for everyone!

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #370 on: October 12, 2013, 07:03:24 PM »
This was 47 years ago. April 3, 1965. An amazing prediction. Do you remember the famous ABC radio commentator Paul Harvey? Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide. When you listen to this, remember the commentary was broadcast 47 years ago on April 3, 1965. It's short...less than three minutes.                         

http://stg.do/9LDc

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #371 on: October 12, 2013, 09:52:57 PM »
EBT went out for half the day in 17 states and people started to panic and were talking riots. Half a day and they're talking riots just for EBT, imagine a more substantial crisis country wide.
Things are far more fragile then many suspect.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #372 on: October 12, 2013, 09:59:02 PM »
This was 47 years ago. April 3, 1965. An amazing prediction. Do you remember the famous ABC radio commentator Paul Harvey? Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide. When you listen to this, remember the commentary was broadcast 47 years ago on April 3, 1965. It's short...less than three minutes.                         

http://stg.do/9LDc

I loved me some Pual Harvey!

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #373 on: October 12, 2013, 10:23:44 PM »
EBT went out for half the day in 17 states and people started to panic and were talking riots. Half a day and they're talking riots just for EBT, imagine a more substantial crisis country wide.
Things are far more fragile then many suspect.

All some people need is an excuse.  They are just hoping for a reason to riot.  Can you imagine how they will behave when things really do go bad?

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #374 on: October 13, 2013, 11:21:45 AM »
All some people need is an excuse.  They are just hoping for a reason to riot.  Can you imagine how they will behave when things really do go bad?

For most people on this assistance, it really IS when 'things really do go bad'. My cousin posted about ebt on my facebook wall. She works full-time, her husband has just gotten a new job after being laid off. They got paid on Thursday, paid all the bills, broke by Friday. They went to the store Saturday to get groceries for the week, they could not access their funds. For most people, this would be similar to a bank closure. Lots of them don't even have bank accounts, so if there is a bank holiday, they might say the same thing about people panicking and rioting then. There are people that sell their EBT benefits (Illegally) some will do something else illegal with it, others will do things like pay their electric bill. Not able to do that Saturday would result in electric being cut off. More fees, that they can't afford, being added. For some people EBT shutting down for a day IS when things REALLY go bad.

I am not saying this to justify it. I am saying this to convey the idea, that for this segment of the population, this is their SHTF.

I believe that one of the things that will make someone a good prepper/survivalist is to know what is going on in the population and what will effect that population. Even though it might not seem relevant to you at the time, you might feel/see repercussions of it. Had a situation like this gone on for much longer, you might expect to see riots, crime, food banks wiped out, etc. Now that most people (prepper) are aware that something like this could happen, they can plan for it as well, just like they would an earthquake or fire. Who will be roaming your neighborhood if this happens?

I am also hoping that for the population that receives EBT, they will look on this as a learning experience. Be prepared for the eventuality that EBT might go down again, and it might be longer. If my neighbor wanted some pointers on storing fresh produce she got on sale with her EBT, just in case it might not be here next week, I will show her. I really, truely, hope that it will encourage this segment of the population to store for what might be around the corner.


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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #375 on: October 13, 2013, 06:45:43 PM »
I've never heard of Paul Harvey but he's hit the nail right on the head 47 years ago.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #376 on: October 13, 2013, 07:30:47 PM »
I've never heard of Paul Harvey but he's hit the nail right on the head 47 years ago.

I pm'd you.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #377 on: October 13, 2013, 10:53:36 PM »
I've never heard of Paul Harvey but he's hit the nail right on the head 47 years ago.

I loved listening to Paul Harvey when I was little, as well as Derry Brownfield (originally "The Brownfield Network", then later "The Common Sense Coalition").  Mr. Brownfield would always end his broadcast with: "May the good Lord bless and keep you whether near or far away, may the good you wish for others shine on you today, may your heart stay tuned to music that will thrill the hearts of men, may the good Lord best and keep you till we meet again"

And whenever I hear the name "Dick Estell" (the "Radio Reader"), it immediately takes me back to the early 70's at 6:30 pm when I would be glued to the radio for the next 30 minutes listening to Mr. Estell read, in all it's entirety, James Harriott's All Creatures Great and Small.  In my little world back then, 7 pm came all too soon...

Now I live in a valley and even with an antenna all I can pick up is just one station.  The rest is either static or severely broken transmissions. :(



     

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #378 on: October 13, 2013, 11:49:13 PM »

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #379 on: October 14, 2013, 07:49:14 AM »
We are already in the slow death spiral,  all it will take is a slight increase in interest rates and you will see a rapid decent of all areas of the economy.  Rome wasn't built in a day, but it didn't collapse in a day either.  The future is now, prepare now while most think things are still normal and affordable or in the next 5 years your regrets will be magnified 10 fold.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #380 on: October 15, 2013, 08:58:51 AM »
This was 47 years ago. April 3, 1965. An amazing prediction. Do you remember the famous ABC radio commentator Paul Harvey? Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide. When you listen to this, remember the commentary was broadcast 47 years ago on April 3, 1965. It's short...less than three minutes.                         

http://stg.do/9LDc
And now for, the rest of the story: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/devil.asp

I knew some of that was a little too prophetic, like the drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors in schools.   ;)

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #381 on: October 15, 2013, 09:28:49 AM »
And now for, the rest of the story: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/devil.asp

I knew some of that was a little too prophetic, like the drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors in schools.   ;)

I actually like the real 1964 one better.

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #382 on: October 15, 2013, 06:36:12 PM »
And now for, the rest of the story: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/devil.asp

I knew some of that was a little too prophetic, like the drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors in schools.   ;)

Wait a second, the internet tells LIES????

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Re: How close are we to SHTF?
« Reply #383 on: October 15, 2013, 06:44:58 PM »
Wait a second, the internet tells LIES????